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red13n
My parents think it's weird I wack off to anthropomorphic animals. Yiff yiff.
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posted 02-14-2001 01:16 AM      Profile for red13n   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
well i never believed pin missile was fixed...and i was right...i tested it when it was said that it was fixed, and found that it worked fine when it didnt ch, but did mass amounts of damage when it did...i posted a log in the pbs chat about it, but people read it and ignored it...now im posting here after testing it about 5 minutes agp, hoping not to be ignored again, as ive faced 3 jolteons with pin missile and focus energy and have been quite annoyed...so heres the log...
pinmissile2's GOLEM used recover!
pinmissile2's GOLEM recovers to 100% health!
pinmissile's JOLTEON at 100% health.
pinmissile's JOLTEON used pin missile!
Critical hit!
Hit 5 times!
golem fainted!
pinmissile2's GOLEM at 0% health

now, im fairly sure that should not do 100% to a golem...

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Jumpman16
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posted 02-14-2001 02:04 AM      Profile for Jumpman16   Author's Homepage   Email Jumpman16   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Nirvana
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posted 02-14-2001 03:26 PM      Profile for Nirvana     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
X_X

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Dragonite21
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posted 02-14-2001 03:54 PM      Profile for Dragonite21     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree. In a fight of mine, my Jolteon struck an enemy Nidoking 5 times, critical hit, with Pin Missile, and fainted it. After running it on my calculator, the total damage should not have been enough to down 'King. It is still bugged, and could probably do with fixing.

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posted 02-14-2001 04:54 PM      Profile for Ryuujin   Author's Homepage   Email Ryuujin   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But why did Golem have recover?

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red13n
My parents think it's weird I wack off to anthropomorphic animals. Yiff yiff.
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posted 02-14-2001 07:11 PM      Profile for red13n   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
cause recover would keep the golem at 100%...

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Eaichu250
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posted 02-14-2001 08:58 PM      Profile for Eaichu250   Email Eaichu250   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks For the Tip Ass Bomb.

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mr k mouth
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posted 02-14-2001 09:20 PM      Profile for mr k mouth   Author's Homepage   Email mr k mouth   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Teejay used pin missle against my eggy in our Uberpymp battle...5x CH.

Rematch?


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KeroKato
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posted 02-15-2001 12:20 AM      Profile for KeroKato   Author's Homepage   Email KeroKato   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
YFFI, Pin Missiles is no longer bugged.

It was hitting 3 to 6 times and could CH in pieces and parts.

That was the PM bug.

Now, I have found out that CHs are bugged in general, not just for Pin Missiles. And Jolteon is using Pin Missiles; that's why it occurs so often.
I'm trying to find out why CHs are so powerful, but I don't really see a cause. All damage formulae are correct, and the CH formula (double level, reset attack and defense). That is the only flaw remaining. Stay off Pin Missiles, idiots.

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posted 02-15-2001 07:23 PM      Profile for Mr.E     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And what about Electabutthead using Psychic? Through hundreds of uses, there have been only 3 occasions that I haven't seen it lower Special...suspicious. ¬_¬

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KeroKato
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posted 02-15-2001 09:53 PM      Profile for KeroKato   Author's Homepage   Email KeroKato   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Three occasions? Strange, I've heard a lot of people complain that they never lower special with Psychic.
It's all luck.
Except for Pin Missiles. I said there was a CH bug and I've found it. Don't worry, I have an excuse! I was looking in the old PBS file for the error when it was in my new one!
See, when I fixed Pin Missiles, I broke it again. I forgot to move a small block of code back into these brackets. Pretty much, a CH doubled the attackers level... and then on the next hit, it doubled again... and again... and again. Pretty much, you are looking at a level 3,200 Pin Missile comin' at the end. That spells doom no matter what!
It has been fixed, however, and all is well and happy now.
As for randomization, I'm tired of people complaining about it being bugged. You people obviously don't remember what it was like under Blizzard's poorly randomized code. I am going to make a program that will show you the randomization techniques used so you will finally shut up about it.

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posted 02-15-2001 11:48 PM      Profile for Atma   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think randomization is still flawed... soo I'm testing..

Electrode:
* Ice Punch
* Ice Punch
* Ice Punch
* Ember

vs.

Mewtwo:
* Amnesia
* Recover
* Splash
* Psychic

Yes, I know that five of these eight moves are on pokemon that can't learn them, but there isn't anything better for testing...

two CHing Freezes in a row? o_O that's a 0.01796% chance (multiplied by the number of attempts minus one, of coruse). Even smaller chqance when you consider the two CHing nonfreezes that followed it.

Anyway, back to testing... if you see this line then this was posted prematurely.

Out of 72 trials, these are the expected results:

Freeze rate: 9.8%
Ch rate: 13.672%

miss: (0.4%) = 0.288 times
normal hit (99.6%*86.328%*90.2%=77.556%) = 55.84032 times
Freeze: (99.6%*86.328%*9.8%=8.426%) = 6.06672 times
CH: (99.6%*13.672%*90.2%=12.283%) = 8.84376 times
CH and Freeze: (99.6%*13.672%*9.8%=1.334%) = 0.96048 times

Actual results (out of 72 Ice punches):

Miss: 1 (1.38889% -- certainly within the range of probability)
Normal hit: 45 (62.5% -- a bit low)
Freeze: 8 (11.11111% -- a good 33% above what was expected)
CH: 12 (16.66667% -- again, a good 33% above what was expected)
Freeze and CH: 6 (8.33333% -- a whopping 6.24 times what was expected)

Anyone else wanna test PBS to show this bug exists?

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KeroKato
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posted 02-15-2001 11:57 PM      Profile for KeroKato   Author's Homepage   Email KeroKato   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://www.realitysend.f2s.com/cgi-bin/rando.pl

PBS randomization code. Nuff said.


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posted 02-16-2001 08:28 AM      Profile for White Cat   Author's Homepage   Email White Cat      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Random numbers... endlessly generating... so hypnotic... mustn't sleep... must destroy planet... Zzzzzz...

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