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Charmeleon42
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posted 01-05-2004 11:46 PM      Profile for Charmeleon42   Author's Homepage   Email Charmeleon42   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040106/ap_on_re_as/koreas_nuclear&cid=516&ncid=716

Or at least some victory of questionable - though greatly positive - scale. (To those who don't want to concede that the US could 'win' something)

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posted 01-06-2004 08:47 AM      Profile for Mr. K   Author's Homepage   Email Mr. K   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You are funny.
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K just comes back and thinks he owns the place [Roll Eyes]
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cool daddy comes out of FUCKING NOWHERE!
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Kim Jong Il is a very clever man. It may be possible to use his love of luxury against him, however.
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posted 01-06-2004 10:39 PM      Profile for Rolken   Author's Homepage   Email Rolken   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay, to expand on what Mr. K said...

WTF how is this POSSIBLY CONSTRUABLE as a victory? Basically they're just following through on what they were probably planning all along; they've let us know that, yes, they are serious and capable, so now it's time for us to give in and pour in money if we want things to return to a semblance of normality. What did you think, they were planning on bombing China or something, and ensuring the destruction of their own country in return? Nukes are useful for blackmail and leverage, nothing more. Kim Jong Il may be power-crazed, but he's not stupid, and I have the most profound respect (if not compassion) for the way he's jerked us every which way while suffering essentially no ill effects in return.

"If the United States keeps ignoring our efforts and continues to pressurize the DPRK to scrap its nuclear weapons program first while shelving the issue of making a switchover in its policy toward the DPRK, the basis of dialogue will be demolished and a shadow will be cast over the prospects of talks."

Is that not obvious enough? Sheeze!

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Isn’t it our policy not to give into terrorism?
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Charmeleon42
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posted 01-06-2004 11:05 PM      Profile for Charmeleon42   Author's Homepage   Email Charmeleon42   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
WTF how is this POSSIBLY CONSTRUABLE as a victory?

Because the situation, with this turn of events, is dying down. People's calls for the US to "do something about North Korea" have been officially answered.

And what you said is indeed one way of viewing the situation - saying that Kim Jong played us all for fools and the US is stupid and you enjoyed him fucking around with us.

Here's another possibility for you toy around with. Maybe, just maybe, Kim Jong didn't want another Iraq on his soil, and didn't want to be ousted from power - so like Lybia he offered to end his WMD program.

[ 01-06-2004, 11:12 PM: Message edited by: Charmeleon42 ]

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posted 01-07-2004 12:01 PM      Profile for Mr. K   Author's Homepage   Email Mr. K   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
OK, I take it back.

You're fucking hilarious.

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He'll be here all week.

Unless Mr. K hits the big fucking red button by accident.

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posted 01-08-2004 12:35 AM      Profile for TnA   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We win once again

Cuz, y'kno, all brown pplz are dangerous ('specially if they have kids, cuz they're just breeding future terrorists). And they're smelly, too.

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quote:
Originally posted by Charmeleon42:
WTF how is this POSSIBLY CONSTRUABLE as a victory?

Because the situation, with this turn of events, is dying down. People's calls for the US to "do something about North Korea" have been officially answered.

And what you said is indeed one way of viewing the situation - saying that Kim Jong played us all for fools and the US is stupid and you enjoyed him fucking around with us.

Here's another possibility for you toy around with. Maybe, just maybe, Kim Jong didn't want another Iraq on his soil, and didn't want to be ousted from power - so like Lybia he offered to end his WMD program.

You bring great dishonor to the American people and the human race. The only honorable thing left for you to do now is gain some wisdom or end your pathetic existence and burden which you place upon the human race and the pokeman forum.

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posted 01-08-2004 03:57 AM      Profile for Charmeleon42   Author's Homepage   Email Charmeleon42   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by TnA:
NON SEQUITIR IS COOL

On another note, I think that my stance is reasonable. ceoalex and mr k have some explaining to do.

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my god, how stupid can two people be? Attracting a Starmie thats trying to Thunder-Wave a Quagsire.

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We should put you on a stool in front of a brick wall with a spotlight on you...we could make a mint.

OK, I guess you need a hint...why don't you read a little about what North Korea has been up to and how the US has dealt with them before 2003. And don't get your info from your parents or crazyrightwingaz.com or whereever you get that loose poop that you regularly squat down and spray all over our forum.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mr. K:
And don't get your info from your parents or crazyrightwingaz.com or whereever you get that loose poop that you regularly squat down and spray all over our forum.

I thought it was pretty obviously Fox News.
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quote:
Originally posted by Charmeleon42:
NON SEQUITIR [sic] IS COOL

Does the word "irony" mean anything to you?

Also, I thought it was obvious that I was trying to be irrelevant.

[ 01-08-2004, 03:12 PM: Message edited by: TnA ]

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why don't you read a little about what North Korea has been up to and how the US has dealt with them before 2003.

Okay...

Seems like things were going pretty well with Clintons "Agreed Framework", and everyone was pushing for peace, normalization of economic relations, stopping all of their nuclear programs which would be monitored under the International Atomic Energy Agency. We would build the D.P.R.K. something called a light-water power plant, and everything seemed good and happy.

Reading more, it seemed that the happiness was a bit... gilded. When the Bush Administration came, he decided to hold dialogue concerning the D.P.R.K.'s missile development programs, their, what this article calls "conventional force posture", human rights, thisthat. It also says that in 2002, we found out they were in the process of enriching uranium.

Such a program violated the Non-Proliferation Treaty, the Agreed Framework, and something called the North-South Denuclearization Declaration. The US thustly told North Korea that they would have to abandon this program before talks and relations could continue happily.

The D.P.R.K., in response, had PMS. They restarted all their nuclear programs, kicked out the IAEA inspectors, quit the NPT, and basically put up it's dukes. They claimed to be fighting our "hostile policy".

I don't get it. All the US did was point out that they were violating treaties - and the we're the bad guys? They finally want to put down their dukes, and somehow it's a ludicrous to say that that's a good thing?

What are you pulling here?

[ 01-08-2004, 07:03 PM: Message edited by: Charmeleon42 ]

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Hah! Char42 spelled "Libya" wrong! What a moron! His opinions are all wrong, and his girlfriend is ugly!
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Char42: All the US did was point out that they were violating treaties - and the we're the bad guys?

I didn't say we're the bad guys, I was merely laughing at the idea that you think this latest thing the North Koreans have said is a sure sign of another unblemished Bush administration foreign policy success.

It's like a heroin addict just asked you for another two hundred bucks so he can make it into that really nice rehab place and he's really very honestly going straight this time. Maaaaybe. You never know. Stranger things have happened.

But it's not proof of anything (yet) and it doesn't reflect one way or another whether or not you've "won" the battle to get them off drugs.

Your premise that this is a US "win" might ultimately prove true, but to chalk this up as a Bush victory at this stage is silly, especially if we find out they're yanking our chain for the millionth time...

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It's like a heroin addict just asked you for another two hundred bucks so he can make it into that really nice rehab place and he's really very honestly going straight this time.

I occasionally fall for this sounding crap. Probably because I'm related to my mom, who is the most gullible creature on the planet.

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quote:
Originally posted by Charmeleon42:
my god, how stupid can two people be? Attracting a Starmie thats trying to Thunder-Wave a Quagsire.

I HAVE NEVER UNDERSTOOD THIS.

[ 01-09-2004, 12:43 AM: Message edited by: Anthrax ]

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if you attract a starmie it doesn't work since it's neither male nor female. if you thunderwave a quagsire it will not work because it is ground type.
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quote:
Originally posted by Anthrax:
quote:
Originally posted by Charmeleon42:
my god, how stupid can two people be? Attracting a Starmie thats trying to Thunder-Wave a Quagsire.

I HAVE NEVER UNDERSTOOD THIS.
Chill Thrax, it's a Pokemon reference.
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quote:
Originally posted by White Cat:
Hah! Char42 spelled "Libya" wrong! What a moron! His opinions are all wrong, and his girlfriend is ugly!

Now you've got it!

But, honestly now. I hit through to the article and was all liek "wut" and THEN I switched back, saw it was he who posted it, and thought, "oh, that figures."

also lybia lolololol

Just for kicks, is there anybody out there who doesn't disagree with Char42 on this topic?

FYI to Char, what makes you look stupid in this topic in particular (at least to me) is that you apparently never even thought that they might have ulterior motives, and then when we say "hey they might have ulterior motives" you basically say "but HEY you can look at it this way and they don't actually have anything up their sleeve at all, they're just stupid and we beat them haha."

If this isn't sounding a bit silly to you yet, go back and read that quote I pasted earlier. Or did you read it the first time? I mean, jeez, it's basically diplomese for "Hey guys, give us what we want or we'll make things hard on you." And if you disagree, I'm rather interested in how you'd construe it. Then again, maybe you really didn't read what I posted, since you didn't seem to catch that the focal point is our success/loss in the matter and not some asinine North Korea flagwaving.

Edit: OK, I see how you might have thought that, since I really meant "though not compassion" rather than "if not compassion". But even if that was what I had meant, it still was obviously not what I was mainly talking about.

[ 01-09-2004, 11:55 AM: Message edited by: Rolken ]

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The other thing is that Char framed this as some sort of Bush victory, when it's really just another example of Bush backtracking.

He starts by bashing some element of Clinton's foreign policy and claiming that he'd get all cowboy on their asses because that's the best way to get things done -- then, quietly, after it becomes apparent that that doesn't actually work, he does the same thing Clinton did, because compromise is often necessary in the real world.

Same thing with the Israeli/Palestinian thing. Bush boldy took the "Stupid American" position, which is very popular here and works very well on the campaign trail, but once he became the actual president*, he had to revert to Clinton's policy.

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