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Rolken
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posted 12-05-2003 02:35 AM      Profile for Rolken   Author's Homepage   Email Rolken   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
U.S. eyes return to the Moon

Basically, Bush doesn't want to get one-upped by the Chinese so he thinks spending billions to get back to a rock we've already seen is a good idea amirite?

Give me a break.

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It's his escape route.

(I mean really. I heard Mr. CNN Person saying something about wanting to beat the Chinese to the moon so that they won't claim its resources. The moon, last time I checked, was made of rock. We've got enough rock. Even if the moon really is made of cheese, I think we've got enough cheese too.)

(While I'm here, the same report mentioned something about a manned mission to Mars. Now there's a trip you'd need a GBA for. Last time I checked this [which was a damn while ago so bear with me] going to Mars is a 9-month trip... which means another 9 months back. Do you want to spend a year and a half in an oil drum with two other guys? All they're going to do is stick a flag in it and bring some rocks back.)

(The Chinese better watch it, though. If they knock over the flag they left the last time, Bush will invade. Now there'd be something to watch.)
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Rocks on the moon contain fuels that can be used for fusion reactors.
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quote:
Originally posted by MewtwoSama:
Rocks on the moon contain fuels that can be used for fusion reactors.

you can react my fusion any day baby

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Someone told me the Chinks were going to go to the Moon, collect all the stuff we left up there and sell it on e-Bay.

Now that's thinking.

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Though it goes against my "smaller government" principles, I am full on in favor of going to the moon. I'll take higher taxes for moon men. Do we have to burn humans to get there? Well, as long as they aren't burning me.

I agree, rationally, this is sort of a weak arguement.
But.
It.
Is.
The.
MOOOOON.

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

It is good to go to the moon.
I am so sick of those people who deny that we went there.

Better would be Mars.

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We need to colonize the moon...
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We like the moon? [Big Grin]

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Worse idea.
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quote:
Basically, Bush doesn't want to get one-upped by the Chinese so he thinks spending billions to get back to a rock we've already seen is a good idea amirite?
So what's wrong? It's not like the US in deep debt or anything [Wink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Kid Vid2:
Worse idea.

I'd scream "WHAT COLOR IS YOUR MONEY?!" except that that's a local gag and nobody here would get it.
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We like tha moon!
Becuz its very high!!

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http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/
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quote:
Originally posted by cfalcon:
It is good to go to the moon.

It is good to have food on the table.
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An interesting thing to think about is that if they spend 2 billion dollars on this, or anything else, it's not vanishing into thin air. It's paying for materials, labor and utilities.. all of which travel down company after company until it gets into the hands of the people who do the designing, building, mining the ore, overseeing it become steel, this, that...

The money eventually ends up in the hands of the common man.

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That's what Reagan said, Bush says.

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quote:
Originally posted by Charmeleon42:
An interesting thing to think about is that if they spend 2 billion dollars on this, or anything else....The money eventually ends up in the hands of the common man.

"Anything else" being fairly key here.

NASA should be spending their money on R+D, not implimenting a program that we already know we can do, and that serves no practical purpose...

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That's what Reagan said, Bush says.
Actually, I think what Char is describing is more Keneyesian than supply side. It's just a pretty bad program, if that's what you wanna do. Welfare and infastructure are far more effective. It's also a bad idea, because for Christ's sake, the bloody budget is deep enough in the red already.

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quote:
Originally posted by Rolken:
quote:
Originally posted by cfalcon:
It is good to go to the moon.

It is good to have food on the table.
I don't think you need to worry about that side of things.
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Some people do. What RoLk is getting at is that some people what the government to spend money to help out so that they can have food. Not on a fancy trip to the moon.

[Roll Eyes] Also cfalcon is on crack. [Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Originally posted by Rolken:
quote:
Originally posted by cfalcon:
It is good to go to the moon.

It is good to have food on the table.
I have food on the table.

Seriously, I understand the point about not spending a lot of money on large government projects. Especially when those projects don't even claim to be able to help the situation of a bunch of people who could be way better off. It could easily be argued that the money would be better spent housing the homeless, feeding the poor, and for our educational system. I personally think the better point could be made that the money would be better NOT spent at all.

But what part about MAN WALKS ON MOON do you not want to see in your lifetime? Pushing people to the moon isn't just a neat idea, it isn't just about science, it's about thumbing your nose to the vast blackness of space that calls you and your life, your society, hell your entire human race "worthless, a subatomic reaction on the cosmic scale in a tiny unimportant corner of one of an innumerable amount of galaxies"- and saying "It matters to us, motherfucker, fuck you!"

It is a statement of arrogance to which it is good to aspire to. We say of the Romans "They built roads, and had an empire. They recorded their feats, the brought civilazation, albeit in an uncivilized fashion, to much of the world.". If we never colonize other planets, if that all turns out to be a pipedream largely forgotten in the future of humanity... in the worst case scenario, the people can look up at the goddamn moon and think "We've fucking STOOD THERE. WAY UP THERE."

Hell, that kind of shit was on the list of things that helped motivate me when I had some crazy shit to do for school. I'd be out at night, look up, and think "What am I bitching about, this shit can't be hard, after all, man went to the goddamn moon! He stood in airless vaccuum and planted a flag and hit a motherfucking golf ball.".

That reason is why I favor crazy ass moon projects and shit, in spite of reasonable and sound arguements to the contrary.

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Thank you cfalcon. Seriously, what you had to say made me feel good too...


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Ironically, the line of thought I disagree with most here is Char42, who probably thinks I'm picking on him by now. Basically, I disagree that the government taking money from the hands of people to redistribute that wealth is a good thing- even if they make the new people work for it.

Here's the thing. When you do work, you are generating wealth. Adam Smith changed what was percieved as the actual wealth of an area from how much gold they have to how much productivity is generated. The government, remember, takes money from people, basically meaning that part of each day you work is spent working for the government. Ideally, this would be something like:

Lesser part of day: you work for common good.
Rest of day: you work for yourself.

This is the concept behind taxation, and it's actually pretty damn good.

The logical problem I have with Char's arguement is that the money was going to *stay* in the private sector before, and now it has to go do stuff. The government stimulating the economy is only really possible in the short term, and usually requires massive debt- aka, generating money from nothing, or at least from outside. To this extent, Char is correct: it will stimulate the economy, and it will get to the common man.

But what I think he's missing is the liberal arguement, which basically says "let's just take the money and give it directly to the people who need it most" (it's not this simplistic, but the point remains). Does it stimulate the economy to bulid housing for the homeless? Does it stimulate the economy to buy food for the hungry? Why wouldn't it, if building space ships does?

Anyway, yes, I can believe that this "Let's go to the moon" thing is wasteful, arrogant, and irrational. But that doesn't make me like it less, for the reasons I described above.

Although, it would also be cool if we did something crazier and possibly harder, like cure cancer. I mean, that's also hardcore, and the liberals would back it in a second. I don't like big government, but I can tolerate it if it's going to do legendary shit, like explore space or step us closer to physical immortality.

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I like the news short this week:

"Perveted Ninja likes being seen"

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I personally not against going to the moon again because I believe there is a lot of scientific value in doing so.

But I'm against going right now.

We're in the middle of an economic recession and are expensively holding troops in Iraq (after spending so much on the war effort). There are better things to go and spend this money on right now.

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HAY GUYS! LETS GO TO THE MOOOOOON! WE CAN BUILD A ROCKET IN MY GARAGE, AND PAINT IT ORANGE! CANT LAUNCH FROM THERE THOUGH AS IT MIGHT FLATTEN MY DAISYS!
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I can't believe nobody has posted a link to the Citizen's Association to Blow Up the Moon, yet.

quote:
Other things you can do include shaking your fist at the moon each night in a show of defiance, shouting, "Damn you, Moon!" and spreading the word to your neighbors.
http://stu.wccnet.org/~bwells/gdt200/cabum1.html
Heck, I think I probably heard of it from here in the first place...

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omg i totally call navigator
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quote:
Originally posted by moogleman:
omg i totally call navigator

i drew you this map to follow. i hope you liek it.



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*stifles a few giggles... holding back the full-blown LoL since he is sitting in the middle of PC class*

yea... guess that means I'd be sitting behind some random computer at Mission Control.

By the way, who shall we deem worthy of being "the problem Houston always seems to have"?

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quote:
Originally posted by Jman:
I personally not against going to the moon again because I believe there is a lot of scientific value in doing so.

examples plz

also never mind, let's go to the Moon. but I still think there's no realistic purpose.

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Well, I'm sure scientists can think of *some* use for the moon.

For instance, we could find out what happens when you drop frogs onto the moon.

Seriously, you know you'd love to see that.

Anyway, since it doesn't appear that a cure for cancer is on the moon, I don't think we'll be able to justify it that way. We've got the huge chunks of data from going the first time: Van Allen belts, no prob; moon dust, not very much; alien mindsuck germs, not present; Gravity as predicted; green cheese excellent with Ritz crackers.

Simply put, if you are going to spend money on science, going *back* to the moon isn't the best way to do that.

But wow, it'd be cool to go the moon.

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I can't help but feel that if this was anyone other than Bush, it would be lauded as a wonderful journey of discovery.
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Is there any real value in going to the moon? It is a geologically dead hunk of rock, isn't it? Unless we're going to use it as a launch base for future, further exploration, I fail to see the importance.

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quote:
Originally posted by cfalcon:
Well, I'm sure scientists can think of *some* use for the moon.

Mining for Helium-3 to fuel fusion reactors.

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*Resurrecting topic from the deep DEEP annals of AH*

That one commercial that premiered durring the Super Bowl, the one promoting Volvo and that Branson-whoever dude... isn't he sponsoring an actual space ride somewhere?

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I mean, goldfish lamp wallpaper skeleton in my Bavarian Star or what? Flowers mirror computer Smurfs every time Moses flies playing cards in or around Paris.

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lol, you almost said anal

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I did originally... looked back over it because it just didn't quite look right "deep anals of AH"
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DEEP ANAL IS ALWAYS RIGHT
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you're pooping in your butt

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GWB said dootie [That Guy]

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as opposed to shallow anal. [PBJ Time!] [PBJ Time!] [PBJ Time!] [PBJ Time!] [PBJ Time!] [PBJ Time!] [PBJ Time!]

[PBJ Time!] loves anal

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