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New Guy
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posted 09-28-2003 10:53 PM
Anybody else here play it? Anybody else here hate it as much as I do?
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posted 09-28-2003 11:05 PM
K THX N00B GGNORE.
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posted 09-28-2003 11:47 PM
In before EN rapes the fuck out of you.
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posted 09-29-2003 12:09 AM
thread of the year
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She told The Associated Press she first realized her son was mentally ill in 1996 when he killed her oldest child, a 25-year-old woman who suffered from cerebral palsy, by beating her with a dumbbell.
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posted 09-29-2003 12:10 AM
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posted 09-29-2003 12:52 AM
b0rked wang
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posted 09-29-2003 01:05 AM
i actually just downloaded this game and have been playing it offline with my googled hax key
beat the human campaign
possible spoilers
arthas is a faggot. how about instead of forcing me to control this flaming homosexual jew, they let me attack him with my hordes of gryphon riders and knights and riflefags and whoever else
wtf
this is like starcraft plus 3D plus medieval
graphics are hot, though. my comp is mediocre (athlonXP 2000, GF4 ti4600) and it runs fine in 1280x1024
bitch i can dig it
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New Guy
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posted 09-29-2003 01:49 AM
Yea the graphics are pretty good. The cinematics are excellent. The one at the end of the orc campaign is my fave, easily. The game is technical succes, no doubt.
Where I hate the game is online play. Game seems so fucking broken. I like to play orc, with the TC as primary hero. Thus, I lose against anybody who is seriously playing.
I never got big into star craft, so I don't know how they compare. I did not start playing PC games until after it's popularity peaked in my circle of friends, so all I have ever done is play the single player campaigns. The general opinion as I figure it is that WC3 is fun, ok, but nothing compared to SC. WC3 is fundamentally flawed, yet could be as good as star craft, if you changed everything about the game.
My hatred for the game is much more simple. I can't win unless I copy the current strats that revolve around the one or two broken things that each race has. It's just plain aggravatng.
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posted 09-29-2003 02:11 AM
arthas is a faggot
When I first started playing it, I was introduced to "Prince Arthas". "Yea, Prince of FAGS" I mumbled. The plot basically played like a 7th grade D&D campaign with drow and gay shit like that. I don't really understand how something could be such a cross of predictable and stupid- given that usually things are predictable because they *aren't* stupid.
Kinda defeats the point.
I did really like the Orc campaign, even though it was obvious that they were suddenly American Indians or something.
And of course, the game was enjoyable.
Here is the text I wrote before I found New Guy's latest response
I really don't know how you could hate it unless you just don't like the RTS genre in general. I have some beefs with the multiplayer, and with it in relation to other RTS games, but it is by no means bad. Why do you dislike it so? I mean, I think Anthrax doesn't like it because there are so many goddamn fanboys running around wishing they were Fairy Warrior Princess Night Elf Haughty Virgin Warriors. Besides him, everyone who has played it that I either know or know on the net either hates it and all RTS games, or at least kinda likes it.
Ok, the point about there not being many valid strategies is kinda true- but is that unique to this game? One thing that does bug me is that in Starcraft if you build a few of whatever you first attack unit is, and then work from there, you usually don't just lose- but build like three grunts and suddenly you are a grunt builder or something, and they can walk in with countertech and own you. In War2, you basically had 1.5 strategies- Bloodlusted Ogres and (the .5) casters. I'm kinda glad to see that there's more to this game than that.
flaming homosexual jew
I rarely laugh out loud, but this did it.
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posted 09-29-2003 02:40 AM
You can win using anything, until about level 15 or so.
After that, you have to play to strongpoints, otherwise other semi-clued in people are just going to wipe the floor with you.
But hey, lifes like that. If you wanna stuff around and have fun, just random team. If you wanna solo, just play until level 15ish and start again.
And its not fucking broken- its just more tuned into the fact that hard counters are exactly that; couple this with a low unit cap and it is very easy for someone to walk all over you if you're not on your guard.
WC3 is fundamentally flawed
Justify please.
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posted 09-29-2003 03:33 AM
i really don't have a problem with the plot, it's just kind of annoying how each mission makes me hate this stupid little fuckfaucet that much more, and I HAVE TO FUCKING CONTROL HIM
gimme this Tichondrius bitch, it looks like he sticks his dick in a lot of fine females. lemme have him rip "Death Knight Arthas" (oh boy aren't you a badass now yuh worthless little queer) a new asshole, complete with an entirely-too-graphic goatse style FMV showing necromancer claws digging into tender fuckchump rectum
now that would be a game.
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they should follow it with porn, too
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posted 09-29-2003 03:46 AM
omgwtf spoiler alert
arthafag doesn't show up in the latter campaigns. apart from that time he has hot gaysex0rz with the nightelf dude.
if you try really really hard to have no life and play War3 all the time, you can apparently get the Human Sorceress to flash you. Not really, though. But it sure gets those freaks who play something like 30 fucking games of War3 a day to get their 1500 wtf icon on b.net some jollies.
also, i am losing battle to l33t. help me.
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posted 09-29-2003 04:08 AM
The worst thing of all is that something that looks so fun is so aggravating to play. I like the idea of WC3. I really want to play it. For a little while, it's fun. Until I play it, and lose 7 games in a row to sorceresses because I did not Farseer harass. The way orc beats human is to force the human to waste gold by building non essential stuff. Let them get any sorcs out, and it's gg. That is not a choice of strategies among many, but the only strat. Since orc has one good harassing hero, the Farseer, that is the default hero.
What else is bad is when I get hero harassed myself. Since I did not pick the best hero at defending harrasment (again the FS), I lose the game becuase I lose gold by defending my base.
Really, my bitching is simple. I can't win any serious games because I don't pick a certain hero and mass a certain unit every game. I don't want to conform. I don't want to win with everybody else's strat. I want to win with my ideas and strats. And I can't. This could just be cause I suck, but nobody else seems to be able to win consistently either without using cookie cutter strats.
JB-WC3 is fundamentally flawed. Explain please.
I don't think the game is flawed at the core, I just think it's really imbalanced and counter intuitive, and could be fixed with a week of brainstorming sessions and a patch. Then there are people who think the game is broken at a base level. I only read some of it, and it was a while ago, so I can't fully explain it. It has to do with the overall similarity of the races, with the only true differences being heroes. They say starcraft was more divers. The game is extremely super hyper linear, lessening options. Unlike starcraft, there is an absolute limit to the rate at which you can get the main resource, gold. This means the game is basically on a timer, again lessening creativity and surprises. It also means harassing is Always the best option. If you can interrupt youre opponents gold income for 10 seconds, you have roughly a 100 gold lead on them.
There is more, but I don't remeber it. Some of the stuff I said is probably innacurate as well. If you really care, maybe you can get one of the old timers at this forum to explain it better. I'm Karpman there, BTW.
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posted 09-29-2003 05:02 AM
If you wanted War 3 to be a real RTS, then you were disappointed, at least in my opinion.
RTSs aren't about micromanaging small numbers of powerful units, they're about micromanaging large numbers of weaker (compared to heroes, take them out and they're not comparatively weaker) units.
IMO, War 2 was better about this than Starcraft, Starcraft was better about this than War 3, and Age of Empires 2 rules over any Blizzard game. Several tens of different units, each of which take up *1* food unit, up to a 200 unit total? Having more than one worker on a single tree/patch of gold/berry bush? Being able to trade resources if you've got mad wood but no gold? Excellent.
A multiplayer game written using DirectX APIs? No thanks.
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Tghost
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posted 09-29-2003 05:25 AM
Really, my bitching is simple. I can't win any serious games because I don't pick a certain hero and mass a certain unit every game. I don't want to conform. I don't want to win with everybody else's strat. I want to win with my ideas and strats. And I can't. This could just be cause I suck, but nobody else seems to be able to win consistently either without using cookie cutter strats.
This is pretty much like bitching that you can't beat Mewtwo using Beedrill.
I mean, in Pokemon you get trounced if your team isn't right for the battle you're in. And you do eventually have to use something standardish.
It's almost the same sort of thing in Warcraft 3. Except, not really. But it almost works an analogy.
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posted 09-29-2003 05:57 AM
I completed Human and then Undead and then lost interest.
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OK, I know I'm probably not the nicest Pokemon Trainer when it comes to giving advice, and if I get flamed on this, it is probably well deserved. So here goes...
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posted 09-29-2003 11:08 AM
Uh Tghost, wasn't that a major complain about RBY?
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So "a" can be any value?
-a guy in my Calculus class, on the nature of variables
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cfalcon
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posted 09-29-2003 12:00 PM
Yea, I agree with Rysto. That was the worst part about multiplayer chromatics, and when the metallics came out the situation got better but didn't go away.
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posted 09-29-2003 12:57 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Tghost:
if you try really really hard to have no life and play War3 all the time, you can apparently get the Human Sorceress to flash you. Not really, though. But it sure gets those freaks who play something like 30 fucking games of War3 a day to get their 1500 wtf icon on b.net some jollies.
Actually, that's true. It's one of her portrait animations. She jumps up and wiggles her b00biez in your face and then goes back down and sticks her tounge out at you.
Also, if you zoom in on her model in the World Editor, you can see her boobs, panties, and garter belt. ^.^
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posted 09-29-2003 01:30 PM
don't the Peons say "Me no speak like Yoda" as well?
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OK, I know I'm probably not the nicest Pokemon Trainer when it comes to giving advice, and if I get flamed on this, it is probably well deserved. So here goes...
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posted 09-29-2003 04:11 PM
Berserker is in one of the first few extra mission cave levels.
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posted 09-29-2003 04:36 PM
warcraft 3
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posted 09-29-2003 05:18 PM
Bring it. FlameBait @ Azeroth.
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posted 09-29-2003 05:32 PM
Er... EN, is it *possible*, just maybe, that this game is implemented differently than other RTSs in such a way that some people just aren't going to like it as much as, say, you? I mean, I like the game, but I still have some gripes. I've been playing RTSs since the genre was invented and before the term was, and some thing this game has (like heroes) are experimental, not universally well recieved, and dramatically change the way the game is played. Your last post made it sound like "The only reason you don't like this game is that you aren't good at it."
I have friends who have been good at *NO* RTS games, ever. Some of them hate RTS games. Others like them, they just accept that they have no skill at them. People who like War3 but suck at it? They exist. His arguement, once he clarified it, sounded like "The varation of heroes seems like an integral part of the game, but in practice you have to select your hero and your strategy based on a small list of winning techniques." That's a legitimate complaint- not because War3 is the only game with it, but because the heroes make you *desire* that situation. They go out of their way to make you feel a kinship with the hero (usually he's your first real unit out, and he's always near the top), and are definitely trying to add flavor. It isn't like the Farseer is just a really big Grunt. But the playing of the actual game (the tactical part) has your hero acting very similar to all the other units, so the difference is shattered.
I will stand up and give a "Well done!" for *racial* balance. I won't claim that all the races are perfectly balanced or anything, but it is a lot better off than previous games (and this time it has four races).
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posted 09-29-2003 05:43 PM
but in practice you have to select your hero and your strategy based on a small list of winning techniques.
Actually, thats one of the main, main reasons why I don't like WC3. I can't do what I want to do, I have to do what everyone else does.
With Starcraft at least, you can do whatever you want (as long as it's SMART, no beedrill on mewtwo idiocy), and you have a good chance of winning.
I like that better.
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posted 09-29-2003 06:19 PM
Can't do what I want to do? Please. I've taken a PotM as a first hero and wiped the floor with a lvl 13 BM abuser.
go go gadget 1337 skillz.
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posted 09-29-2003 07:29 PM
EN- i suck at CS and i can't win a single game in it, i don't say the game blows ass though :\
Irony is, once I was able to at least break even in my kill to death ratio, CS was not that bad. I never hated CS as a game, I just hated playing against my friends cause they were all so much better than me. That goes for any game. Consistent losing is never fun. Eventually I got better, or at least not worthlessly sucking.
The reason I kept on losing was cause I genuinly sucked, and I knew that. I also knew what I should do to improve. Improve my aim, better predict my enemies movement, learn the maps, etc. Things that a logically thinking person would try to do to play the game better. Eventually, I got better. The game was ok, the problem was with me.
I know why I'm losing WC3 games. I also know what I should try to do to win WC3 games, but I refuse to, becuase that's not how I want to win. My understanding of RTS games is that there are varied paths to victory. In WC3, this does not appear to be the case. Could be that is the point of WC3, but if it is, why are there so many units and abilities that never see the light of day in competitave games?
cfalcon-"The varation of heroes seems like an integral part of the game, but in practice you have to select your hero and your strategy based on a small list of winning techniques."
Yup.
I have friends who have been good at *NO* RTS games, ever. Some of them hate RTS games. Others like them, they just accept that they have no skill at them.
There is always the possibility that I suck, and my fave hero, the Tauren Chieftan, really does kick ass, but battle net statistics don't bear this out. There are big disparities between hero usage in every race, with one hero being picked head and shoulders above all others. If people were consistently winning with varied strats and heroes, then I'd concede that I need to improve more, if I even could. But they don't.
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posted 09-29-2003 08:12 PM
since i'm not allowed to discuss the topic without the homo anthrax editing my posts i'll be happy to talk to you guys on AIM or something about it.
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posted 09-29-2003 10:28 PM
but battle net statistics don't bear this out. There are big disparities between hero usage in every race, with one hero being picked head and shoulders above all others
Yea, but this ain't no bloodlusted ogres here. Remember, we're coming from a genre that had Dune 2 (no multiplayer, but Harkonnen would have owned utterly if it had been a straight port), Command and Conquer (Stealth Tanks = Enemy cannot harvest minerals, Nod wins, Warcraft 2 (1 Bloodlusted Ogre = 3 Paladins, Orcs win)...
Even Starcraft at first glance was Zerg Dragon and Floating Long-Range Tactical Space Crabcraft before the patches hit (and in the Beta it was pretty much 10 Attack With Scouts 20 Move Scouts to Shield Batteries 30 Goto 10).
Taking a shit hero hurts you, but you didn't necessarily just lose the entire game- and if I'm wrong, and you did, at least you didn't lose it on the racial selection screen.
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posted 09-29-2003 10:29 PM
And I never figured out if Warcraft 1 was all about Archers or Demons, but both of those worked ok.
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posted 09-29-2003 10:40 PM
like i said i'd reply if i knew my posts wouldn't be edited, but i guess have your own discussion.
it's flawed in many ways though.
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posted 09-30-2003 12:38 AM
Hmm... You could try posting in Sakaki tower. I'll move it back here eventually, but I don't think thrax will attack your posts there.
By the way, having your huge post turn into "warcraft 3" really shouldn't amuse me, but I'll be damned if I didn't laugh at that. I'm like a kid that always giggles when somebody plays peekaboo: I *know* there's a face there, there's no magic, but every time the hands open HAHAHA WARCAFT3
Though, I didn't think there was anything worth responding too in my post (I deliberately didn't address anything you said in my last post, because, after all, your posts were getting haxxored).
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posted 09-30-2003 04:31 AM
Floating Long-Range Tactical Space Crabcraft
That tickled my fancy.
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posted 09-30-2003 07:46 AM
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Even Starcraft at first glance was Zerg Dragon and Floating Long-Range Tactical Space Crabcraft before the patches hit (and in the Beta it was pretty much 10 Attack With Scouts 20 Move Scouts to Shield Batteries 30 Goto 10).
I dunno, when I was a SC noob I found Cliff Hugging Vacuum-Traversing Flying Crustaceans to be completely useless..now I take them all the time. Then again, I mightn't have played the older versions. What were they like before?
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