The Azure Heights Forum


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile | search | faq | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» The Azure Heights Forum   » The Courtyard   » Karp Park   » Interesting how the mind works...

UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: Interesting how the mind works...
powercat
Farting Nudist
Member # 1103

Member Rated:
posted 09-17-2003 11:19 PM      Profile for powercat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Cambridge University apparently may think your mind isn't human
(no mention of whether they think you're subhuman, superhuman,
or just plain alien):

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in
waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht
the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total
mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the
huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a
wlohe.

- - - - -
http://xbox360s.freepay.com/?r=24531001

From: Stockton, CA | Registered: Oct 2000  |  IP: Logged
crowN
Farting Nudist
Member # 3415

posted 09-17-2003 11:24 PM      Profile for crowN   Email crowN   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've seen this ... like 10 times in 2 days

[Trash Bear] [Trash Bear] [Trash Bear]

- - - - -
http://profiles.myspace.com/users/Krivanka

^___^;;

From: 1996 | Registered: Jun 2003  |  IP: Logged
ceoalex316
Time for the flaming leprosy party
Member # 338

posted 09-17-2003 11:58 PM      Profile for ceoalex316     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tahts jsut cool.

- - - - -
Maximum Penetration Industries.

From: NYC | Registered: Apr 2000  |  IP: Logged
starCaliber
is evil and also MewtwoSama
Member # 268

Member Rated:
posted 09-18-2003 12:51 AM      Profile for starCaliber   Email starCaliber   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by crowN:
I've seen this ... like 10 times in 2 days


From: San Francisco, CA | Registered: Apr 2000  |  IP: Logged
cfalcon
OLDNBLD
Member # 19

Member Rated:
posted 09-18-2003 01:56 AM      Profile for cfalcon   Email cfalcon   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ok, I haven't just seen this a million times in a couple days- I've known it for years!

AND SO HAVE ALL OF YOU

Hell, it's a running internet joke! While it's nice to see a simple mangling algorithm (all letters the same, first and last in place, others scrambled), we basically knew that you can omit letters, add letters, scramble words, etc. It *is* key that the anchor points are the most helpful (start and end of words), but overall, this isn't *that* new.

But it is fascinating. Show it to people in RL for a little more fun.

Perhaps we'll see that as sort of a Turing test in the future?

From: 39°45' N, 104°52' W | Registered: Feb 2000  |  IP: Logged
Barrierd
I have a colony of shrimp living in my bladder
Member # 3132

Member Rated:
posted 09-18-2003 02:52 AM      Profile for Barrierd   Email Barrierd   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I refuse to post a negative reply to this; all you peeps are meanies [Frown] .

Although I, in general, agree with cfalcon in that it's been common practice on the internet to mangle spelling, that's the first time I've seen the example shown by powercat and I found it very interesting.

Actually, reading cfalcon's post again
(ALL of it this time) I pretty much agree with it all. Hm,

[Josef Mengele]

- - - - -
Where are my bitches

From: Victoria, B.C., Canada | Registered: Nov 2002  |  IP: Logged
137
Whiner
Member # 1465

Member Rated:
posted 09-18-2003 04:27 AM      Profile for 137   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by cfalcon:
Perhaps we'll see that as sort of a Turing test in the future?

That's an interesting thought. We probably won't see it, though. Quantum computing is a little ways off.
On second thought, it probably wouldn't be hard to write an algorithm that could reference the dictionary+slang.txt and follow the guidelines prescribed above.
It doesn't have to pass as intelligent to match text.

From: Space. Like, outer space. | Registered: Jan 2001  |  IP: Logged
Tghost
Farting Nudist
Member # 1418

Member Rated:
posted 09-18-2003 05:09 AM      Profile for Tghost   Author's Homepage   Email Tghost   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Perhaps we'll see it as part *of* a Turing Test. What better way to convince someone they are talking to a live human than making typos?

- - - - -
My brain went on vacation and left my pancreas in charge

From: Auckland, New Zealand | Registered: Jan 2001  |  IP: Logged
Boodabonzi
like a virgin
Member # 2958

Member Rated:
posted 09-18-2003 11:36 AM      Profile for Boodabonzi   Email Boodabonzi   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 


- - - - -
OK, I know I'm probably not the nicest Pokemon Trainer when it comes to giving advice, and if I get flamed on this, it is probably well deserved. So here goes...

From: Hitchin - biggest little shanty town in all of England | Registered: Jul 2002  |  IP: Logged
Wintermute
My custom title sucks.
Member # 5

Member Rated:
posted 09-18-2003 01:50 PM      Profile for Wintermute   Author's Homepage   Email Wintermute   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
First of all: "Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe."

There's cognitive science for you - offer a description of what's happening and call it an explanation. Tack on an unnecessary intervening construct for laughs.

Maybe more interesting than the phenomenon is that the whole thing's apocryphal.

http://snopes.com/language/apocryph/cambridge.asp
http://www.bisso.com/ujg_archives/000227.html
http://www.bisso.com/ujg_archives/000228.html

Perhaps we'll see that as sort of a Turing test in the future?

137 is right. It would be trivial to write something that could pass this test right now. The lingering ambiguities (and I wonder how many there would even be) could be addressed with existing context-based algorithms that are already in use in speech recognition and translation software. This is an easier problem than either of those, and a much, much easier problem than writing a program that can carry on natural conversations.

From: Winnipeg, Manitoba | Registered: Feb 2000  |  IP: Logged
cfalcon
OLDNBLD
Member # 19

Member Rated:
posted 09-18-2003 03:30 PM      Profile for cfalcon   Email cfalcon   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Look, I don't mean writing a spell checker (which is what seems to be implied)- clearly, we have those already. Check the word for differences against a dictionary, check permutations of spelling, etc.... we can do those.

But if you make it so that you need to get it in *context*, that's what I meant- because it turns it into language recognition with a twist.

And by "a Turning test" I didn't mean *the* Turing test, but a similar one to where Yahoo asks you to identify the mangled word- mangled in a way that a computer can't look at it and figure it out easily, but a person can.

From: 39°45' N, 104°52' W | Registered: Feb 2000  |  IP: Logged
Miko
Farting Nudist
Member # 3504

Member Rated:
posted 09-18-2003 09:20 PM      Profile for Miko     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Boodabonzi:

SWEET JEEBUS THAT'S A SCARY PICTURE!!!! O.O

Oh and I knew about this already. **shrug** But thanks for making sure. ^-^ [PBJ Time!]

- - - - -
Goo goo ka choo

From: Ohio | Registered: Sep 2003  |  IP: Logged
MK
is somewhat large.
Member # 1445

Member Rated:
posted 09-19-2003 12:28 AM      Profile for MK     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
About that bigscary pic, I gotta ask, what is that a picture of!? It's look like a santa claus suit with a deranged easter bunny on top...
Registered: Jan 2001  |  IP: Logged
Mr. K
Racist
Member # 2

Member Rated:
posted 09-19-2003 03:41 AM      Profile for Mr. K   Author's Homepage   Email Mr. K   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
cfalcon: But if you make it so that you need to get it in *context*, that's what I meant- because it turns it into language recognition with a twist.

Yay, Mute is going to pwn you again.

From: Cinnabar Island | Registered: Feb 2000  |  IP: Logged
137
Whiner
Member # 1465

Member Rated:
posted 09-19-2003 04:13 AM      Profile for 137   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Wintermute:
137 is right.

Yeah. Does this mean I get topic privileges again?
/me determines empirically

From: Space. Like, outer space. | Registered: Jan 2001  |  IP: Logged
Wintermute
My custom title sucks.
Member # 5

Member Rated:
posted 09-19-2003 02:02 PM      Profile for Wintermute   Author's Homepage   Email Wintermute   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can't tell whether I even care all that much. What set me off was maybe less the Turing test point than HA HA HA WE ALREADY KNEW THIS BUT ONLY I REALIZED IT OH WAIT I GUESS I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW IT AFTER ALL WELL I KIND OF DID HMM WHAT IS THE DELETE KEY FOR

As for Turing, well, there is an artificial intelligence problem here. And yes I believe that I mentioned the relevance of context. It's very similar to the speech recognition problem: the computer sometimes gets signals that could be replaced with more than one word. In Rawlinson's Mix, some words scrambled by the first/last locking algorithm might be anagrams of another English word. The computer must choose between them based on context, and admittedly "trivial" is the wrong word to describe that task. But this is the problem - the "twist" you mention is secondary, almost arbitrary - you could generate similar problem cases in many ways. And I just don't think you put much thought into proposing this as a Turing test. That is, as an operational definition of intelligence (or consciousness). Here's why I think it's even easier than speech recognition, never mind building a Turing passer.

1. Single-word anagrams in English that also have the same first & last letters must be quite rare. Much rarer than the homonyms that speech software has to deal with.
2. A Rawlinson-reading program has word and letter parity in all of its problem cases. Compare with a single spoken word that could be misinterpreted as multiple written words, or vice versa.
3. There's less noise in the text problem.
4. Numbers 1 through 3 all contribute to a much stronger context to work from.

One not entirely unrelated observation: Suppose that the first/last locking algorithm produces a mix that's easier for humans to read than a first/second locking algorithm does. Suppose that this isn't true for any computer program that we can write, BUT the computer program can still perform on the first/last problem cases at a passing level. That difference wouldn't be very interesting as an operational definition of intelligence.

Yeah. Does this mean I get topic privileges again?

Sure. It's too much effort for me to notice who started a topic anyway.

From: Winnipeg, Manitoba | Registered: Feb 2000  |  IP: Logged
Dark_Herakurosu
Farting Nudist
Member # 1677

Member Rated:
posted 09-21-2003 11:16 PM      Profile for Dark_Herakurosu   Author's Homepage   Email Dark_Herakurosu   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
woot teh fsck. iv'e kownn tihs froe lnog tmie. yuo conant eevr raed tihs ohrwstie i cloud utesnndrad waht yuo mbyae are snaiyg. OWTFGMF.

- - - - -
There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra today than on Alzheimer's research. This means that by 2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs, huge erections, and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them.

Registered: Apr 2001  |  IP: Logged
Dweedle
My hands and feet are mangos
Member # 1209

Member Rated:
posted 09-22-2003 12:01 AM      Profile for Dweedle   Email Dweedle   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Dark_Herakurosu:
woot teh fsck. iv'e kownn tihs froe lnog tmie. yuo conant eevr raed tihs ohrwstie i cloud utesnndrad waht yuo mbyae are snaiyg. OWTFGMF.

I would be able to understand that if not for the grammatical errors.

- - - - -
the only way to get pass this will be to commit suicune

From: second of all, Quagmire's not really a bad guy! | Registered: Nov 2000  |  IP: Logged
IceHawk78
NOBODY IMPORTANT
Member # 1699

Member Rated:
posted 09-22-2003 01:49 PM      Profile for IceHawk78   Author's Homepage   Email IceHawk78   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Have any of you people heard of spell check?

All of your posts are filled with typos. Jebus Rupert Christ on a rapier, are they full of typos. Looks like you're all back to Keyboarding I. You fail freshman english, too.

From: Ohio | Registered: Apr 2001  |  IP: Logged
Fenix
I live in a public bathroom.
Member # 2371

Member Rated:
posted 09-22-2003 03:00 PM      Profile for Fenix   Author's Homepage   Email Fenix   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You forgot to capitalize English.

- - - - -
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery

From: The Homeworld, Aiur | Registered: Nov 2001  |  IP: Logged
dAyWaLkEr
Farting Nudist
Member # 3343

Member Rated:
posted 09-22-2003 04:40 PM      Profile for dAyWaLkEr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by IceHawk78:
blah blah blah
bitch bitch bitch

summarized

- - - - -
absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence

Registered: Apr 2003  |  IP: Logged
Thomas
Farting Nudist
Member # 3371

Member Rated:
posted 09-23-2003 12:44 AM      Profile for Thomas     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dAyWaLkEr:
quote:
Originally posted by IceHawk78:
blah blah blah
bitch bitch bitch

summarized
I don't really know who you are, but I like you.
Registered: May 2003  |  IP: Logged
ceoalex316
Time for the flaming leprosy party
Member # 338

posted 09-23-2003 01:39 AM      Profile for ceoalex316     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by IceHawk78:
Have any of you people heard of spell check?

All of your posts are filled with typos. Jebus Rupert Christ on a rapier, are they full of typos. Looks like you're all back to Keyboarding I. You fail freshman english, too.

Azure doesn't have spell check. Unless you want us to copy on something like word perfect, which takes up the extra 30 seconds of life we would rather live and waste by not read gay posts by someone who noticed a typo you made because you were trying to eat in front of your computer...

- - - - -
Maximum Penetration Industries.

From: NYC | Registered: Apr 2000  |  IP: Logged
pkthunder
I look like your mom.
Member # 67

Member Rated:
posted 09-23-2003 10:02 AM      Profile for pkthunder   Author's Homepage   Email pkthunder   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm terribly sorry, Icy. I don't know what these guys are thinking... I'm with you, though.
From: Broomfield, CO | Registered: Feb 2000  |  IP: Logged


All times are ET (US)  
Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | Azure Heights Pokémon Laboratory

© 2000-2019, Maximum Penetration Industries.

Karpe Diem


The views and opinions expressed on this page are strictly those of the author(s). The contents and links have not been reviewed or approved by the University of Miami.