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ceoalex316
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posted 09-11-2003 12:30 AM      Profile for ceoalex316     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bill Maher said on his show (which rocks) that 12% of black people are in jail. Then he said that this means that either their race is inferior to white people or that society some how caused them to be like this.

So I made a poll so all you white people can vote on what is wrong with black people. If there is a 4th option that I missed please post your theory below.

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Oh, OK, what the hell, I'll try and have a little bit of regular conversation.

The standard liberal answer, which seems somewhat reasonable, is that the blacks have gotten a raw deal in this country since Day One, and therefore it's taking them a while to catch up.

There are plenty of people alive right now who have first-hand memories of institutionalized racism. Not just politically incorrect stuff, but things like "you can't eat/drink/poop here because this joint is for whites only".

And there's been an economic differential ever since they went from being property to owning property. Y'know, if you grow up in a krappy town, with krappy skools, and your family and friends are largely uneducated and unfamiliar with the benefits of middle class life...you've gotta to have above average intelligence/motivation/etc. just to grow up and provide your kids with a boring suburban existence, getting their info about the 'hood from white rappers on mass market television.

Anyone below average (ie, roughly half the population) is automatically fucked. Below average suburban kids just have to work at the uncool stores in the mall.

So...that explains a whole lot.

On the other hand, I would bet that if we had used the Japanese as slaves, those industrious little fuckers would be doing much better than the blacks now. There is certainly a cultural thing going on. Chris Rock does an excellent job describing the problem.

I don't buy that it's anything biological, though. The differences between different reasonably functional homo sapiens seem so small that it seems unlikely to me that a whole race would be detectably worse off on the scale of whites vs. blacks in this country. It could certainly be a factor, I guess, but it doesn't explain everything.

Consider that Muslim society used to be the most highly advanced on the planet, and now look at the Middle East, and it seems to me that culture is the dominant factor.

Also I hate Jumpman because he is black.

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Long story short, most of the people who keep all this hatred and seperaism alive ARE the black people. That what's his face, leader of the NAACP, he WANTS to keep all that crap alive, "oh my great great great great great granddaddy was a slave, and the white man, he enslaved my daddy!"

All bullshit, alas it may be true, but, that was a long time ago, and I wasn't alive then, so stop tryin to blame the white man of today, blame the white man of 100 years ago. Plus, black people weren't perfect, they sold each other out, quite a few sold their own brothers into slavery, so don't pin this all on us...

Basically, black people could "break away" from all this. Now adays, it isn't evil like the KKK that keeps this shit alive, it's the black people themselves, THEY wont let it die, cause they always want to be able to lean and fall back on that...

Oh, I'm stupid, it's the white man's fault...

Oh, I'm a theif, it's the system's fault...

Everyone's a victim

-MK

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posted 09-11-2003 02:02 AM      Profile for Mr. K   Author's Homepage   Email Mr. K   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder if you are of above average intelligence. I sure hope not.

I'm not going to respond to the most stupid of your statements, but...

MK: ...stop tryin to blame the white man of today, blame the white man of 100 years ago.

There are plenty of white men of today that were part of the system that overtly oppressed blacks. Prevented them from voting, and much worse. This isn't ancient history.

Plus, black people weren't perfect, they sold each other out, quite a few sold their own brothers into slavery, so don't pin this all on us...

Well, OK, I am going to respond to one of your more stupid statements...

You should really seriously consider that whole smashing-your-face-in-with-a-rock thing.

I wonder what it's like to live with a brain like yours. Is there a perceptible haze through which you view the world or is it like watching everything through a pinhole in a sheet of paper? I guess you really wouldn't know.

I wonder how many colors you see and whether food has any flavor for you. How long does it take your dulled senses to react to pain? Does your butt have its own brain, like a brontosaurus? (Science-types can fuck off and not point out the 2 errors in the previous question.)

Also, how is it that your posts can induce physical pain?

MK, the engima...

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join the club, jef

now you know what it's like for me when he talked about video games or whatever the hell he talked about

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So, if you're American, you have a 1/142 chance of being in prison. If you're a black American, you have a 1/8 chance of being in prison. That's rough.

WARNING: Too long; don't read

Since I grew up and still live in a predominantly black neighborhood in a city with a high black population (I think 12% is the national average, and our city is around 42%) I thought maybe my view would be of value. It may be superfluous to state that mine is a poor neighborhood.

I have on several occasions weighed the benefits of taking part in illegal activities to supplement my income. It's quite tempting.
In my case I would attribute the trap to the fact that there are no jobs with admirable income within 45 minutes of travel on a bike. Taking the bus is only slightly faster (35-45 mins.), and without decent income I can't afford a car (on top of subsistence bills).

I acknowledge that if I had busted my ass in high school I could have gotten into a semi-respectable college and dormed or whatever.
(By all accounts (aside from opinions of Azurians) I am of above average intelligence, though during school I didn't do homework, mostly because I found it boring, which I realize is a cop-out. During class I was reading books that some of my teachers claimed was above their heads, so the only time I did schoolwork was when it was mandatory to "clear your desk" for tests, in which case I aced everything, with very rare exception.)
My public school system is very poor, so that even outstanding students only got into mediocre colleges.
I am the first to admit that during high school I could have done much more to improve my current situation, and I certainly don't blame others. (Hindsight is a bitch.) As it stands, I have the academic record of someone with average to slightly-below-average intelligence. I'm going to a very inexpensive community college in order to remedy this (I can't afford better), but I'm currently in a situation similar to many of the black folk I'm surrounded by.

Slingin' dime bags on the corner, dealing at work, or exclusively to friends are low start-up high-yield alternatives to living paycheck-to paycheck.
Selling to strangers is obviously high-risk, but with greater risk comes greater reward. Locally, an $80 investment can bring up to $400 in profit, just for the most common product, with 2 or 3 hours worth of work. Risks include: cops just driving up to make the arrest; being attacked and stolen from; owning a gun to prevent the latter while compounding the severity of the former.
The other two options don't have nearly as high a turnover rate. Dealing at work still risks a rat, while expanding potential sales. Selling to friends doesn't expose you to prosecution (provided you know how to choose friends) but severely limits market base.

Drugs convictions are widely considered to be the main factor causing the disparity of white/black prison population, which is why I focused on that here.

Maybe from this you can see the benefits of exposing yourself to possible prosecution, since the best I can do right now is to work a low-paying job and deprive myself of anything but food, rent and bills in order to save up for a year or more to buy a decent car. The poor job market combined with low consumer confidence excludes the possibility of financing one, as my income is very uncertain.

In conclusion, this was way too long. Sorry.

EDIT: Warning at top.

[ 09-11-2003, 04:12 AM: Message edited by: 137 ]

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Cal: now you know what it's like for me when he talked about video games or whatever the hell he talked about

Yeah, I dunno. I just saw Toby having all that fun and I thought I'd give it a try myself. It's not bad, really. I'm a big fan of honesty anyway, so being cruel doesn't feel so bad as long as I'm also being honest. I probably won't make a habit of it, but I've been storing up several years worth of WTF with MK.

Anyway, enough of that.

Thanks to 137 for providing an interesting angle.

I wonder how much it has to do with the distribution of blacks in America. As Chris Rock pointed out, blacks basically live in like 10 cities in the US. Poor people in an urban environment are more likely to turn to crime, since it's just easier. More people to steal from/deal to. More opportunity to get involved in organized illegal activity. Easier to blend into a crowd when you want to disappear.

Even if you're a fuckin' born deviant in the backwoods, there's not nearly as much trouble to get into in the country...unless Burt Reynolds and Ned Beatty take a wrong turn somewhere...

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in a haze these days
I pull up to the stoplight
I can feel that something's not right
I can feel that someone's blasting me with hate and bass
sending dirty vibes my way
because my great great great great grandad
made someone's great great great great grandadies slaves
it wasn't my idea
it wasn't my idea
never was my idea
I just drove to the store
for some Preparation H

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ceoalex316
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posted 09-11-2003 07:37 PM      Profile for ceoalex316     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I see nothing wrong with giving out dime bags, marijuana joints are better than cigarettes anyway.

137, where do live, my friend clears around $500 a week doing no working and making lots of friends in the process. Dealing marijuana is almost as simple as Dling music. If you get involved with other drugs that a problem, but the people who buy drugs are really more at fault than the ones who sell them.

At least we can rely on that fact that most of the black people that join gangs are stupid criminals. Not like the mafia.

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The gap between blacks and whites manifests itself in every way imaginable - education levels, income, crime, and even IQ test scores. Owing to something called the Flynn Effect, however, IQ scores for blacks (and every other minority group) are going up, so hopefully the gap there will be closed eventually, which bodes well for this gap in other areas.

Realistically, I suppose it's possible for there to be some sort of mental differences between whites and blacks, since there are physical differences and the brain is just a physical aspect. I recall a study showing that in whites, the frontal part of the brain was folded over more than in blacks - in other words, more complicated brain in the same amount of space - but of course, skepticism is the name of the game here.

also whose gimmick account is mk

i'm fucking serious this time guys

fess up

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I am pretty well convinced that MK is real.

If he's a sham, wow, whattan actor.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mentar the Malady Monkey:
also whose gimmick account is mk

i'm fucking serious this time guys

fess up

forgive me

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There are times when I think it's almost impossible for MK to be real.

I'm about 80% sure he's not a gimmick.

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He might be joking a lot.
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I wrote all that because I didn't think I agreed with any of the poll options. Then I realized it's basically a case analysis of the "society forced me to" option, which I don't agree with at all, ideally. I understand why someone would say that, though, after being forced to dissect it to write that post.
I'm in Buffalo, NY (curses deleted). I wouldn't be able to walk a block in any direction without being offered weed ("got that killa") at any time of day or night (schwag). For headier shit it's good to have a connec who lives in in the suburbs.
Your friend doesn't work, he just sells, and he only makes $500 a week? Either you guys don't smoke in your town*, or he ain't no true hustla.

EDIT: *Didn't look at your location till after posting. Tell him to step it up.

EDITEDIT: I'm also gonna differ with option 3:Its an unlucky coincidence that most of the people who commit crimes are black.
Being in prison is a result of not only being accused of a crime, but also being convicted.
One of my friends a few years back was living in a house that dozens of pounds of drugs would pass through in a week. One day they got raided. The trials of those in the house at the time (everybody was around 16) were conducted independently. My buddy and his white friends all got sentenced to counseling programs and community service. Their (American-born) Mexican friend and their black friend are still on probation.
sorry i type so much

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1. They are born inferior.

No. The genes that control skin colour (and a few other minor physical features) have nothing to do with intelligence, personality, criminality, or anything else important.

2. Society is forcing them to commit crimes.

No. As a believer in free will, I don't think that society can "force" anyone to behave a certain way. (This could be eased a bit by deciding that this option was worded too strongly.)

3. Its an unlucky coincidence that most of the people who commit crimes are black.

This is the best answer, mainly for the reason that Mr. K stated (blacks live in big cities). As for why this is, I'd hypothesize that it's a "I don't want to be the only one of my kind in the area" type of thing. I suspect that in Africa, most of the white population lives in the cities, with very few in rural areas.

MK: Plus, black people weren't perfect, they sold each other out, quite a few sold their own brothers into slavery, so don't pin this all on us...

M(r. )K: Well, OK, I am going to respond to one of your more stupid statements...

You should really seriously consider that whole smashing-your-face-in-with-a-rock thing.


Are you criticizing his historical claim or just his conclusion? To the best of my knowledge, MK is more or less correct; many/most of the black slaves brought to America were already slaves to black owners in Africa, who sold them to the white slave traders.

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Well society does strongly affect them. You might all be in college so you've probably forgotten that, due to your lack of contact with blacks, that it's "uncool" or "acting white" when a black kid makes good grades. So they choose not to try to make good grades which holds them back from getting good jobs and when the get out of HS, are forced to turn to other means to make a buck.

The only way a black kid can escape this never ending downward spiral is having good parents. Parents that will have expectations for their kid and teach them that sucsess is not just for white kids.But these parents are far and few between because they've already given in to that misconseption.

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Regarding White Cat's post, this is what I read.

"Black people aren't made criminals/morons/whathave you by their genes, nor are they made such due to being a product of their environment. In fact, it's just a happy coincidence that most crimes are committed by black people."

I don't believe that for one second. The environment in which you grow up is one of the strongest- if not THE strongest- influence on one's behavior and such at present and later on in life. I mean to say, there might be a little bit of luck(or lack thereof) that most people that commit crimes also happen to be black, but it's certainly isn't the sole factor in determining the behavioral patterns of a person, black, white, brown, yellow, or whatever color.

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quote:
Originally posted by javalin:
Well society does strongly affect them. You might all be in college so you've probably forgotten that, due to your lack of contact with blacks, that it's "uncool" or "acting white" when a black kid makes good grades. So they choose not to try to make good grades which holds them back from getting good jobs and when the get out of HS, are forced to turn to other means to make a buck.

The only way a black kid can escape this never ending downward spiral is having good parents. Parents that will have expectations for their kid and teach them that sucsess is not just for white kids.But these parents are far and few between because they've already given in to that misconseption.

That can be said for white people, who got to figure out the difference. With 12% of their people in jail, there has to be a difference.

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Are you criticizing his historical claim or just his conclusion? To the best of my knowledge, MK is more or less correct; many/most of the black slaves brought to America were already slaves to black owners in Africa, who sold them to the white slave traders.

At first, yes. But later, Europeans commissioned coastal tribes to raid deeper into Africa to get them more slaves - the main reason being, these traders didn't want to go into Africa themselves. In return for betraying their fellow Africans on a scale never before seen, the Europeans paid them off with food, weaponry, etc.

In other words, it isn't like the Africans had huge numbers of slaves lying around and said to the Europeans "ok guys here you go have some slaves". They actively sought new Africans to enslave, as a direct result of European interference.

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White Cat: The genes that control skin colour (and a few other minor physical features) have nothing to do with intelligence, personality, criminality, or anything else important.

While most likely true, we don't really know that. A certain combination of genes that affect skin color could have some minor effect on the development of the brain. And, of course, things like skin color are only the most obvious of differences. You can't just look at someone and decide that someone is more prone to specific diseases, but some races do seem to have a statistically higher susceptibility to certain diseases, even when you factor out (as best you can) environmental issues.

Like I said before, though, even if there are minor racial differences in intelligence or other mental characteristics, I don't think that can even begin to explain the societal differences among the races in this country.

Are you criticizing his historical claim or just his conclusion?

He's historically accurate, but just clouding the issue with stupidity.

It is absurd to say that slavery in this country is in any major way the "fault" of black people. Even if it were, it's not the fault of the blacks who were the actual slaves. Just because they were all Africans doesn't mean that they are all on the same team, so to speak. The Jews who lived in Germany in WWII were "Germans", but you don't blame them for the Holocaust because they were Germans too. (Well, if they all acted like Mick, maybe...)

More importantly, it seemed to be just MK's way of rationalizing feeling better about white people.

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Ikuse: Regarding White Cat's post, this is what I read.

"Black people aren't made criminals/morons/whathave you by their genes, nor are they made such due to being a product of their environment. In fact, it's just a happy coincidence that most crimes are committed by black people."


WTH? You've seriously twisted the poll questions (and thereby, the meaning of my comments on them). You downgraded "society is forcing them to commit crimes" to "they are a product of their enviroment", and (far more importantly) changed "unlucky coincidence" to "happy coincidence"!

[dumbass mode]

A couple days ago, I was playing Soul Calibur II at the mall, fighting against a black guy around my age. During the battle, a little black kid came up beside me and started hitting the "supercharge your attack" button on my controller. Due to the unauthorized button-pushing and the distraction it caused me, I lost the match.

Obviously, this is proof that black people are attempting to overcome their genetic inferiority by conspiring to cheat honest white people out of winning at video games, and therefore take over the world.

[/dumbass mode]

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Mr. K- A certain combination of genes that affect skin color could have some minor effect on the development of the brain.

I think there is some truth and purpose in that statement. My theory is such: certain traits of the brain are purposely tied to facial features at the genetic level. If A quality in the brain is true, the B happens to the face. This evolved in pimitive humans to stop the spread of bad brain genes. That person looks bit funny, so you don't want to fuck them and risk spreading the bad genes through the gene pool. How am I qualified to make such a theory, you ask? Duh, I watch the Discovery Channel.

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Ok, a few things:

(full post later)

Let's assume that ALL blacks that came over to America as slaves were slaves in Africa (not the case, but let's pretend). So, people bought them legally (by whatever laws pass as such in primitive Africa), and then brought them over here.

(1) They were still slaves. Meaning, slavery was still legal.

That's important, right? How about

(2) While indentured servants were freed after their service period. Blacks were slaves for life.

and wait, this is better:

(3) THEIR KIDS WERE SLAVES TOO

This one is HUGE. Super huge. Rome didn't have this. Even if the other two were justified, you will not, on earth or heaven, find a justification for enslaving infants arbitrarily. Even if you paid for your slaves honestly over in slave-land, the idea that two slaves breed to make a new slave was a cute trick that got brought in for economic reasons. That's the kicker, even if nothing else is, and that's the reason that America is totally culpable when it comes to the plight of the slaves: because you can just say "oh, less laws, more freedom, in this case, the freedom to own slaves I bought", but when you make a slave out of a baby, well, there you go. No weasel room at all.

Ok, and also on that thing about skin color genes:

The genetic differences between any of the races are pretty small, but there are a lot of them. It's most likely they were the result of generations of inbreeding in just a few places (some people have a homogeneous human race largely decimated by some tragedy, like a plague: the surviving groups yield the races. The older theory is basically an adaptation to climate, and there is definitely some evidence that this is the cause of skin color). The selection was not just on physical appearance: for instance, sickle-cell anemia is an adaption that makes carriers of one copy have slightly bent red blood cells- and way more resistant to malaria. People with two bad copies die near birth in the wild, or are in trouble nowadays. Only blacks have this adaptation: either because it only occurred once they were breeding seperately from the rest of the world, or possibly because it was bred out of the other human stock throughout the world. The gene responsible for this has nothing to do with the gene for black skin (which could have been a survival or sexual thing), broad nose (probably a sexual thing: physical attractiveness is key and variable per society, and if some dumb fuck makes up something about insects or oxygen, kick him in the balls and keep walking, just like if someone claims that Asiatic eyes are shaped that way to help with reflection from rice patties [I swear I heard this claimed]), etc. So, in principal, the idea that some of the human breeds could have differenc intellectual averages is just true. Whether they do or not in practice is the question- and even that's pretty much been resolved, on average.

It is important to note that while blacks in America routinely do much worse on IQ measuring tests (of all kinds: even the things that are only correlated with IQ, like response time tests, and that can't be pinned to "they don't understand the question"), that doesn't point to genetic inferiority.

pkthunder forwarded a good study that shows diminishing effects of heredity on intelligence with decreasing income level: this is consistent with common sense, where getting a short end of the stick can really shaft you, while being in an optimum position can only help you so much.

And it is more important to note that if blacks are one day *proven* to be, on average, genetically fucked intellectually, it in no way shape or form justifies any form of racist treatment, because any individual could be anywhere from "stupid" to "genius", and with a sample size where N = 1 (the exact case for each and every person you meet) you can make NO valid prediction. None. This is important: even if the cornerstone of racist thought is proven 100% correct, it does *not* logically yield racist action!

Most people miss that.

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quote:
Originally posted by White Cat:
[dumbass mode]

A couple days ago, I was playing Soul Calibur II at the mall, fighting against a black guy around my age. During the battle, a little black kid came up beside me and started hitting the "supercharge your attack" button on my controller. Due to the unauthorized button-pushing and the distraction it caused me, I lost the match.

Obviously, this is proof that black people are attempting to overcome their genetic inferiority by conspiring to cheat honest white people out of winning at video games, and therefore take over the world.

Nope, you got it all wrong. See, the Soul Charge makes all of your attacks more powerful, so he was obviously trying to help you. It was a resonance of his memories of being a slave, and he wished to continue this tradition. So basically, after him doing this, you should have clasped him by his arms, drug him out to your house, and told him to go start working the fields.

[/dumbass mode]

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White people look for food while black people loot.

Also George Bush hates black people

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his mom hates black people too
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001054719

""And so many of the people in the arena here, you
know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she
chuckles slightly) is working very well for them.""

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Nowadays, I believe that, if everyone suddenly had amnesia and forgot the past, everyone would be equal.

The problem is that there are certain people who give EXTRA priveledges to minorities (or former minorities; i.e. where I live, Hispanics now outnumber whites) because of past treatment. I believe this is incorrect, as the white person is downgrading themself in this scenario. Other whites still live back in the Southern U.S. 1800s and want to hang every minority they come across no matter what.

For an example of my 1st scenario, just look at sports lately. There are something like 3 black NFL head coaches, and that's not enough. "They should be given a chance" is what I hear on the radio often. However, there are very few white NBA players left, and yet everyone seems fine with that. Why no "give white NBA players a chance"? ...because the media loves to cater to the minorities who they STILL feel are "underappreciated".

C'mon media-type people, forget the skin color and look at the actual person.

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Houston... Spice it up with Zatarans!

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I heard that Barbara Bush thing on the radio yesterday and thought to myself "oh nos whitey run 4 ur lives teh blacks r cummin!".

A Texan's worst nightmare...

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OK, I'll post my 2-cents worth, some of which has already been said.

First, always doubt statistics like these. Find out if Bill Maher actually said that and, if so, where HE got the statistic from, and if that source is reliable, before you take it seriously.

The poor have more incentive to turn to crime than any other group, especially if they believe there is no hope for a good-paying legal career for them. The crimes that the poor tend to commit are more likely to result in arrest, prosecution, and conviction than crimes the wealthy tend to commit, and sentences are longer. Further, people are more likely to believe a poor person would commit these crimes, and therefore are more likely to falsely convict them. Poor people in this country are disproportionately black. If you add to this the fact that people are more likely to convict a black person of these kinds of crimes than a white or asian, and that even sentencing may be influenced by class and race, and you have a probable cause for the higher incarceration rate. So the direct answer is "None of the above", since poverty is not a genetic characteristic, society does not force poor people to commit crimes (if it did, a much higher percentage would be in prison), and it is not a coincidence.

If you go back one step to ask why poor people are disproportionately black, we get to historic circumstances. During the slave era, there was a deliberate attempt to eliminate African culture among slaves and to keep slaves ignorant for a century or more in this country, and longer in places which sold slaves to us. Families were disrupted for generations, mostly due to indifference on the part of their owners. There is no way to determine how far-reaching this has been on black culture in this country. Since the end of black slavery in this country (I have to specify "black slavery" because of California's unfortunate policies towards native Americans after the war of attempted secession), there was in many places a deliberate policy of discouraging black ambitions, and denying black communities the educational resources given to whites. Even where this was not done by design, it was often done unconsciously, because of lower expectations for blacks. This only began to change during the civil rights movement of the mid-twentieth century, and arguably is still going on. None of this changes the answer, though. Blacks are not genetically poor (duh). Society has not forced all blacks into poverty, and it's certainly possible for the gifted and lucky to rise out of it. And it's not a coincidence.

For those of you indulging in genetic speculation:

* There is no reason to believe that, except for superficial physical characteristics such as skin color and hair texture, there is any significant difference between the races. That is to say, if there are differences in intelligence, etc., they are so much smaller than the individual range of variation as to be indetectable.

* Africa is the most genetically diverse continent by far. It has more genetic variation than the rest of the world put together. I believe this is still true even if you limit it to sub-Saharan Africa. It is silly to act as if all Africans were genetically alike.

* Because whites had a tendency to rape slave women, and to otherwise take sexual advantage of them, most modern descendents of slaves a high proportion of genes that originally came from northern Europe. Note that these unacknowledged children quite likely greatly out-numbered the legitimate ones. In essence, you could frame this as "10% of the descendents of white slave-holders are in jail." and be just as accurate.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kingler:

Houston... Spice it up with Zatarans!



The San Francisco Treat!

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quote:
Originally posted by Sonuis:
quote:
Originally posted by Kingler:

Houston... Spice it up with Zatarans!



The San Francisco Treat!

Ring, ring.
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quote:
Originally posted by Bugcatcher Ed:
* There is no reason to believe that, except for superficial physical characteristics such as skin color and hair texture, there is any significant difference between the races. That is to say, if there are differences in intelligence, etc., they are so much smaller than the individual range of variation as to be indetectable.

Uh... bone structure, blood haplogroups, muscle density, etc? Those are pretty significant. The fallacy here is that you're drawing a distinction where one doesn't exist. "There are physical differences between the races, but not mental differences" - given that the brain is a material organ, composed of the same organic matter as everything else, and given that it, too, is determined partially by genetics, why shouldn't there be mental differences between races? Off the top of my head, Native Americans almost universally tend to score higher on visual-spatial reasoning test, regardless of whether they're raised in a native or white culture.
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* Africa is the most genetically diverse continent by far. It has more genetic variation than the rest of the world put together. I believe this is still true even if you limit it to sub-Saharan Africa. It is silly to act as if all Africans were genetically alike.
All I've ever heard to this extent is that the gap between Africans and non-Africans is simply the largest gap, which is still a far cry from saying Africans are the most diverse. Besides, if you remove major outliers like the Bushmen (which don't even belong in the same group as most Africans) and pygmies et al, I'm sure the number goes down quite a bit.

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* Because whites had a tendency to rape slave women, and to otherwise take sexual advantage of them, most modern descendents of slaves a high proportion of genes that originally came from northern Europe. Note that these unacknowledged children quite likely greatly out-numbered the legitimate ones. In essence, you could frame this as "10% of the descendents of white slave-holders are in jail." and be just as accurate.
Okay, but that doesn't help the race-denial case, either. It just sounds like an argument against race-mixing.

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