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Thomas
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posted 08-08-2003 12:42 AM
Sup.
I weigh around 155-160.
A tad bit heavier than I want to be.
Fuck going to a gym.
I want simple, possibly household suggestions on how I should lose around 10 pounds.
I hope I can quit the junk food kick, otherwise I'm fucked.
Honestly, I plan on walking a mile a day and/or swim.
Oh, yeah. I might starve myself. Heard that works well.
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posted 08-08-2003 12:56 AM
Starving yourself doesn't work well. It's easier to break down muscle than fat, so you're just gonna end up eating your own muscle. I don't know how old you are, but you're not old enough that being weak is okay.
Walking's good. Swimming's great. A lot of people are against running (high-impact), but it's great for midsections. I can't do it 'cause my knees suck, so I shouldn't recommend it. Bikeriding is fun, and does about the same thing as running. I don't know how you feel about sports, but getting involved with other people who expect you to be there is great for those mornings when you wanna skip it "just today".
My mom told me about an article in Reader's Digest July 2003 (about diet) that is working great for her, and her explanation made sense. I'm pretty sure those are standard at libraries.
I've been exercising myself, but I have the opposite problem. I'm too thin. I can't afford to go the gym at the moment, nor can I buy equipment, so I set out to discover equipmentless exercises for all types of muscle groups. (If anyone's curious, I'll post what I do.) I did pretty well, and I'm happy to announce that I have been sore everyday for almost a month.
Yeah, so just work on the old diet, don't ever slack on the exercise. If you want, I could give you my phone number, and when you don't feel like going to exercise you can call me and I'll scream obscene insults until you agree to go. Might help. Good luck
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posted 08-08-2003 01:46 AM
Cut soda from your diet.
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posted 08-08-2003 02:09 AM
yeah you got it worked out just cut the junk food exercise daily and be patient. try to eat some fruit and do some sit ups if you can.
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posted 08-08-2003 03:46 AM
Buy Eye Toy.
Also, I’d like to become more muscular. Please provide me with simple tips to become more like a T-850, and keep in mind that I already eat sperm.
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posted 08-08-2003 03:50 AM
Do you have any weights at all?
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posted 08-08-2003 03:52 AM
Char42's Great Diet Plan of No-Fail
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- First of all, you need to find some computer game to be interested in.
- Play it.
- A lot.
- So much that you forget about eating. There comes your food intake problem. Soda is okay on this diet, since it doesn't really do much.
- Goto the arcade.
- Become proficient at DDR.
- Theres your Exercise!
- Walk to the arcade and back.
- With games keeping you busy, and a lot of DDR, not only will you own noobs, you'll own your fat.
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posted 08-08-2003 04:08 AM
I am also too thin. I sometimes (read: rarely) do pushups and crunches on my bed. I need muscle. Please help. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
I have an exercise bike, and it's okay for leg and heart muscles, but I hunger for more. (mainly pecs. Oh those elusive pecs......).
I think the problem is motivation. I would do anything if I wasn't such a lazy procrastinator.
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posted 08-08-2003 04:46 AM
Here's what I do to build muscle:
1.) Push-ups. Get down, and do as many as you can do. If you're not very active, you might be sore the next day. The next day, do as many as you did yesterday, +1. Even if you know you can't do 1 more, don't get out of posture until it's done, even if it feels like your pecs might tear. Keep adding 1 each time you do them. On the 3rd day (if not before), do this twice in a day. By the 5th day, move up to 3 times a day. Doing 50 3 times a day should get you noticeable results in around 2 weeks. (I have a very high metabolism, so muscle doesn't build on me quickly. It might go faster for you.)
This'll help pecs, biceps, triceps, and shoulders.
2.) Forearms. This will sound silly at first, but it was told to me by a friend who studies Mantis style kung fu. These people's forearms are so strong that they block fists and feet with them.
Hold your arms out straight in front of you. Slowly (1 second per motion) open your hand as far as you can. Then slowly clench a fist. Do this 100 times to start. Don't get lazy, open them wide every time. As soon as you're ready, start to do another set when you're done with the first. The next set will be hands high over your head. The next set will be out wide like you're being crucified, and then straight down between your legs. When you can handle it, move up 100 at a time. Do this at least twice a day, and more times when you're ready. My friend does 1000 in each direction 3 times a day. This can be done while watching TV.
3.) Gut. Luckily, my roommate lets me borrow his little abslider thing, the springloaded thing you roll on the floor. That thing hurts when you push yourself. But this is supposed to be no
equipment, so . . .
Find a sturdy armchair. Make sure the arms aren't more than shoulder-width + 2 inches or so. Hold yourself up off the seat, and bring your knees as close to your chest as possible. Release as fully as the chair allows. Do this until you can't bring your thighs level with the ground anymore. You will hurt tomorrow. Do this as often as humanly possible. When it starts to get a little easy, wear boots when you do it.
Or, if you can find or fabricate a decent space to fit your feet, do crunches. You might want to put some type of cloth on top of your feet so that they don't get sore before your stomach does. Also put some kinda blanket (1.5 inch padding) underneath from your butt to your shoulders, so that your spine isn't so bruised that you can't do crunches tomorrow. Now, basically, do a situp, but do it so that it takes 45 seconds to get up, and 30 seconds to lay back down. Again, as many as possibly, as often as possible. It's recommended to cross your arms over your chest "coffin-style", as the traditional "clasp your head" can result in neck injuries from pulling. If your back (especially right below the shoulder blades) starts to do the "bad hurt" rather than the "good hurt" you should find another way to work your gut, or at least let it heal and then take it a little easier afterward.
4.) Calves. I prefer to do this on a raised platform about 2.5 inches off the ground, but stairs do work. Just be careful not to stretch too far on the downstroke. Stand on the edge of the (we'll call it a) stair so that the ball of your foot is completely on, and the heel is hanging off. This should feel totally comfortable, with no fear of falling off. Your feet will be parallel, no splaying. Just dip your body as far down as comfortable, then push up as high as you can. Make sure you have something to hang on to, but don't use your arm to lift your weight at all. Do this over and over until it feels like your calves will tear, then you're gonna wanna half-crouch in an awkward-looking manner. This part will come naturally. Don't forget to walk as soon as you're comfortable, because leg cramps suck ass. You should be able to do this 3 times a day to start. I like this one, because my calves started to split inside of a week.
If you wanna target thighs, I'd say swim or ride bikes. If you have a spot where you can do pull-ups (I wish I did), that'll help your biceps, triceps and lats (Bruce Lee's giant wings under his arms). The only sure-fire thing I've found for traps (the ones that make wrestlers have no neck) is moving heavy furniture, like those bastard fold-out couches. And if you have a dumbbell, or anything you can safely swing around that has at least some weight, do curls (with your elbow on the inside of your knee). Also, lift it straight-armed out to the side slowly, till it's level with your shoulder. With these, I do my left arm until I can't anymore, then do the same number on the right side (I'm right-handed).
That's all I got for now. If I think of more, I'll add to this post. If you have a target area I haven't covered, tell me, and I'll try to think of a no-equipment exercise that'll do it.
Good luck, and stick to it.
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posted 08-08-2003 06:14 AM
All you need is to lose weight, not build muscle. DDR and eating less is all you need.
Besides, building muscle is pointless.
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posted 08-08-2003 07:19 AM
Two whole humanoids got to DDR before I could. Good joerb.
But yeah, my pants are getting bigger. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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posted 08-08-2003 07:25 AM
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Besides, building muscle is pointless.
Let's arm-wrestle.
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posted 08-08-2003 08:48 AM
I weigh around 155-160.
A tad bit heavier than I want to be.
That doesn't sound heavy...How old/tall are you?
To burn fat (not weight) you need to do some cardiovascular activity (jump rrope/running/cycling/anything that gets your heart rate up). Walking 1 mile will not be enough - the first 20 minutes of cardio only burns glyccogen reserves (unless you do your cardio in the morning before breakfast). After that uyou start to burn fat, which is you goal. The optimum time for cardio is 1 hour (after one hour your body starts burning protein). Swimming is a good idea, as long as you are actually swimming.
The best way to lose is fat is through High intensity interval training (HIIT cardio). This is basically doing any cardio activity (sim, jump rope, run, etc) at about 95% for a short period of time (1 min) then slowing down to about 25% for a few minutes to recover (don't stop). The idea of this is to raise the heart rate then let it drop, which burns fat. HIIT can burn up to 9x more fat than normal cardio at about 50% pace.
Oh, yeah. I might starve myself. Heard that works well
No it doeesn't. Not only will you burn muscle, when you stop starving yourself and start to eat regulalrly again you'll pile the weight back on. You'll need to change your diet and eating habits.
I am also too thin. I sometimes (read: rarely) do pushups and crunches on my bed. I need muscle. Please help.
Firstly, crunches won't give you abs. Believe it or not most people are born with abs, they just aren't visible because they are under a layer of fat...To see your abs you need to be at about 8% body fat - this can be achieved through cardio and/or good eatting.
I have an exercise bike, and it's okay for leg and heart muscles, but I hunger for more. (mainly pecs. Oh those elusive pecs......).
To build the pec muscles you need to do some resistance training. There are 3 kinds of resistance training: strength training (aim to fail at about 6-8 reps), endurance training (aim to fail at about 12-15) and muscular hypertrophy (increeasing muscle size - aim to fail at about 20 reps).
Push ups work the pecs well,especially since you can move your arms further or wider apart depending on which part of the pecs you wanna work.
Also, when the push-ups become gradually easier you can always perform them with a rucksack full of books to add more resistance.
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posted 08-08-2003 10:13 AM
Also, due to the nature of resistance training (ie, the tearing and repairing of muscle fibres) you need at least 48 hours to recover - this is why a full body workout everyday is not good. Instead do a 3 day split: [day 1 - back, shoulders, chest] [day 2- triceps, biceps, forearms] [day 3 - hams, quads, calves]
Always work the bigger muscles first (back before chest, tris before bis, hams before quads) to ensure that the larger muscles are not aiding the smaller muscles when you're trying to work them out.
Go here for exercises for each body group - exercises involving dumbells/weights can be replaced with books/bags of flour/etc if you don't have access to weights.
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posted 08-08-2003 10:25 AM
Starving yourself... depending on how seriously you take that, it does work. Cut out the junk, and then take what you would normally eat and cut it in half. You'll feel like you're starving yourself, but you're not. Keep at this long enough, and your body will adjust. If you get to your ideal weight and then eat as much as you want, it will have been for nothing. But, if you make it a habit to eat less, you'll be just fine.
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posted 08-08-2003 12:05 PM
have very little soda or junk food, and do a lot of walking or running
right now I'm abiding by this, and I'm staying at a healthy 155
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posted 08-08-2003 12:36 PM
My Great Weight Loss Died Of No-Fail:
Same as Char's except for, don't drink soda.
And eat stuff. Eat some chicken or something. Lots of protein.
And drink lots of water. And play lots of DDR.
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posted 08-08-2003 01:09 PM
Yeah, just hang around an arcade 24/7 and play DDR nonstop.
My recommendation would be learning how to swim or biking a lot. And drink diet sodas too. 200 calories less a day starts to add up.
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posted 08-08-2003 02:02 PM
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What do sports exactly prepare your body FOR?
For some skilled athletes a career doing the thing they love for shit loads of money...For others simple entertainment - why do you play computer games all day?
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To all the men and women who frequent the gym - for what are you training?
Different reasons for different people - some do it for fun, some for a living, some for health reason, some people do it because they want to live longer or look more asthetically pleasing to the opposite sex.
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What in life will your sporting ability help you in; besides to play sports and complete the cycle of irrelevancy?
Ironic how you argue relevance over an internet message board.
You seem to be hung up on this "being successful" crap (I assume you mean in the corporate world or other field by which successful is measured by achievement or financial status). What about being happy, enjoying life? Is this not "being successful" in it's own right? Just because I play sports, lift weights and whatever doesn't mean I don't have aspirations of "success" - does the fact you play video games mean you have given up on your dreams?
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posted 08-08-2003 02:36 PM
A healthy soul belongs in a healthy body?
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posted 08-08-2003 02:47 PM
For some skilled athletes a career doing the thing they love for shit loads of money...For others simple entertainment - why do you play computer games all day?
Fact: You and me have no chance of every becoming a career sportsman. You will never get money for playing a sport. As for entertainment, a good portion of that essay deals with how for most people, sports are little fun.
some do it for fun,
Except not, which a great deal of my essay deals with, to repeat myself.
some for a living,
Only a very select few, too small of a demographic to constitute as "physically possible for any normal person to ever join".
some for health reason,
I don't think any health reasons besides rehabilitation from severe injury requires exercise. Perhaps rest, but not exercise. And certainly not to the extent that you are suggesting. One does not need to ascend Himalayan mountain ranges to be healthy.
some people do it because they want to live longer or look more asthetically pleasing to the opposite sex.
What kind of shallow significant other is a person aiming for who would care about how muscular you look?. Non Applicable.
What about being happy, enjoying life? Is this not "being successful" in it's own right?
Insane exercise is not required to be happy. And for the record, the section of that essay was dealing with the overall practicality of sports in general. You dont need sports (same thing as exercise) to be happy, especially given how little happiness stems from it.
Ironic how you argue relevancy over an internet message board.
Ironic how that's a very out of context analogy to my usage of relevancy.
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posted 08-08-2003 02:51 PM
You completely ignored the point of my post. Congrats ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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posted 08-08-2003 03:04 PM
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Fact: You and me have no chance of every becoming a career sportsman. You will never get money for playing a sport.
Hence why I said some...It's their dream.
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As for entertainment, a good portion of that essay deals with how for most people, sports are little fun.
Some people don't like sports, some people don't like video games. Both have very little relevance to anything of "importance" in this world.
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Except not, which a great deal of my essay deals with, to repeat myself.
Oh right, this is about sports in school, not sports for recreational purposes. You got made to run in the rain didn't ya?
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I don't think any health reasons besides rehabilitation from severe injury requires exercise.
Exercise strengthens your heart, among other things.
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And certainly not to the extent that you are suggesting. One does not need to ascend Himalayan mountain ranges to be healthy.
Who said anything about climbing the Himalayas? You're putting words in my mouth.
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What kind of shallow significant other is a person aiming for who would care about how muscular you look?
Don't get all "holier than thou* on me now. Saying asthetics isn't important in a relationship is naive.
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Insane exercise is not required to be happy.
You seem to neglect the fact not everybody likes the stuff you do.
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And for the record, the section of that essay was dealing with the overall practicality of sports in general. You dont need sports (same thing as exercise) to be happy, especially given how little happiness stems from it.
Lots of people get happiness from playing sport. Just because you don't you shouldn't assume others don't either.
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posted 08-08-2003 03:08 PM
If we don't need exercise to be happy, then what do we need? You can say something like "love", but what are you and your love going to do together? While it would be cool for a while, you're not going to lay around in bed all day. You could watch TV, but if we're talking about things that we don't need in order to be happy, I think TV gets cut long before jogging.
It's very easy to sit in front a computer and think about all the silly things people do. Perhaps if you try some of them you might understand why. In the simplest form, it has been shown that exercising does make you feel better, and you brain works better. In other extremes, a feeling of accomplishment can make you feel pretty good. Maybe it is an X-TREME sport, and it's all about a rush. Is it petty and meaningless?... maybe, but if it makes you feel good, who cares? A coworker here just came back from a trip up Kilamangaro... she and her husband had tried a couple of years ago, but they got the flu of some sorts on the way over and became very ill. This time they made it. What does it mean? It means that she stood on top of a mountain she'd climbed at over 19k feet, and she felt good about it.
Why? Again, what does it matter? Genetically, we're hunters and gatherers. That's why your diet should include more meat and less pasta. We're designed to hunt something and kill it, and this requires we be smarter and/or stronger than it is. Genetically, we're supposed to be in shape, and our brain will reward us for this effort with happy chemicals.
You can objectify life, but when you get down to it, you can't objectify happiness. It is what it is, and if jogging makes you happy, do it. If it doesn't.... then read a book.
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posted 08-08-2003 03:21 PM
if you're not a lazy fuck then do tae kwan do
stretching, jumping, kicking, pushups, situps ... a good master will make you work the whole body
fuck that tai bo shit, TKD is awesome. it'll help shed the pounds, make you taller, more flexible, build leg muscles, and give you self-defense
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posted 08-08-2003 03:44 PM
Char, it seems like you made your point pretty well in that essay. You did only present one side, of course.
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Is it petty and meaningless?... maybe, but if it makes you feel good, who cares?
Agreed.
At the beginning, I thought you were going in this direction: Back in the day, before Jack Frost and Hostess, if you wanted to taste sugar outside of your normal diet, you had to climb a tree, knock down a beehive, figure out a way to get the bees away from you, and dissect the hive. This will burn more calories than you get from the sugar, and you don't get fat. Now all you have to do is lift the cupcakes into your shopping cart on the same trip you go on to get your meats. Or, in my case, if you do walk to the store, you usually pick up the junk food when you go to get your beer. Just a thought.
That thing about working the big muscles first, so they don't help the small ones, is genius. I never thought of that. Thanks.
I can vouch for the thing about exercise making you feel better and think better. It releases endorphins, the stuff that makes you feel good after having sex, or eating chocolate or spicy foods.
Also, I'm all for the quitting soda thing. Not only does it contain aspartame, but drinking anything that's black isn't usually a good idea.
And in my big post I forgot to talk about stretching. I'm not gonna write down all my stretches right now, because that post would be as big as the workout one. I'll endorse undone's 3-day split. I did that when I started doing all this stuff, but I don't anymore. But that's just me.
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posted 08-08-2003 06:23 PM
Wow, you made a gigantic essay justifying laziness? I'm impressed.
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posted 08-08-2003 06:25 PM
Not only does it contain aspartame, but drinking anything that's black isn't usually a good idea.
racist > ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) > also, drink mountain dew
Oh right, this is about sports in school, not sports for recreational purposes. You got made to run in the rain didn't ya?
Well, I did once, but that's besides the point. ITP, I post the reffering section of my essay.
http://www.geocities.com/charmeleon42/excerpt2.html
Exercise strengthens your heart, among other things.
Ah, but most people do not exercise to this extent, and most people do not have heart problems. So is it really neccessary?
Saying asthetics isn't important in a relationship is naive.
Perhaps so, but doing something moderate like walking to the arcade and playing DDR is fine - exercising as much as you suggest is far in excess to be asthetically pleasing.
it'll help shed the pounds, make you taller, more flexible, build leg muscles, and give you self-defense
It might help lose weight, but there are better ways to do so. All the other reasons - why are they useful? For self-defense, carry pepper spray or a tazer. A gun even. Beats people who use their physical strength to fight every single time.
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posted 08-08-2003 06:31 PM
do tae kwan do... make you taller
Yes, the Asians are famous for their martial arts and ensuing tallness.
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posted 08-08-2003 06:37 PM
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Ah, but most people do not exercise to this extent,
To what extent?
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and most people do not have heart problems. So is it really neccessary?
but most people do get heart problems when they're older. If you exercise in your youth you can help prevent this problem being so severe.
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Perhaps so, but doing something moderate like walking to the arcade and playing DDR is fine - exercising as much as you suggest is far in excess to be asthetically pleasing.
As much as I suggest? What, like I do 2 hours a day (1 hour for cardio and 1 hour for lifting).
I didn't realise you were the expert. Lifting weights will NOT turn you into Arnold Schwarzenegger - you can't get that big without roids and actually wanting and training to be that big.
Also, I'm not suggesting everybody should exercise like this..only the people who are keen on losing fat and/or building muscle.
The way you presented the argument was that sport is irrelevant in how the world runs so nobody should play them/exercise - well then tell me what is relevant?
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Yes, the Asians are famous for their martial arts and ensuing tallness.
lol...I was gonna pick up on this - no exercises can make you taller (unless you use a rack)...It's pretty much down to genetics and diet (but even a good diet won't make you taller than your genes dictate).
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posted 08-08-2003 08:03 PM
If you exercise in your youth you can help prevent this problem being so severe.
Perhaps, but is it necessary to go to such extents to exercise? I propose that walking around, and especially playing DDR will suffice.
I didn't realise you were the expert. Lifting weights will NOT turn you into Arnold Schwarzenegger - you can't get that big without roids and actually wanting and training to be that big.
Why would you want to? There's no need to have that kind of muscle, it's more work than it's worth.
Also, I'm not suggesting everybody should exercise like this..only the people who are keen on losing fat and/or building muscle.
If they want to lose weight, try my diet. It kicks ass and I lost like 20 pounds the summer I invented it. As for building muscle, why?
well then tell me what is relevant?
My essay was a 50-page argument for video games over sports. So, gaming. It's very useful for training yourself for real life, ie coordination and fast thinking to name a small portion of the benefits which are useful all around.
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posted 08-08-2003 08:08 PM
Char- Maybe if you built some damn muscle, you wouldn't be stuck with that furry thing you call a girlfriend.
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posted 08-08-2003 08:25 PM
Hey now, he's had the hots for that chick for awhile, I don't think it's like that.
On the other hand, he does deserve to be mocked for posting pictures.
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posted 08-08-2003 08:32 PM
Yeah, he does.
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posted 08-08-2003 09:19 PM
well i'd rather play basketball and swim and do stuff that make you extend your body than do squats or bowl all day (not that bowling isn't fun)
and as for asians + height, check out yao meng (sp?). there's plenty more where that came from (communism = inhumane genetic experiments = breaking the stereotype)
oh yah, and do they allow tazers, pepper spray and all that in a high school? cuz if not, then i'm gonna stick with my body
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posted 08-08-2003 09:31 PM
You're missing the point. Some people do actually enjoy exercising. I happen to be one of them; I bike around five or ten hours a week, just because I like to go places.
Don't give us that "video games train you for lief" BS. You don't play games to prepare for the "Real World." (If you think that sounds presumptious, reread what you've been saying about exercising being all work and no play.) You play games because you enjoy it, pure and simple. Maybe you feel like less of a loser because you think you're boing prepared or whatever, but that's obviously not your main motivation.
I propose that proposing that walking around is enough exercise smacks of ignorance in the face of medical evidence, while proposing that we all abandon what we enjoy to stomp on a pad is lunacy. Besides, sooner or later you will be in your "Real Life." Then what will all your preparation have earned you? Why bother pwning noobs and "succeeding" in life? What's to be gained from a better reputation and a bigger house? You keep asking the same questions about the physical perspective while assuming your own is self-evident, which is naive, self-centred, shallow and close-minded. If we all lived for ambition, the world would be a sorry place indeed.
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posted 08-08-2003 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by Charmeleon42:
for most people, sports are little fun.
Saying "most" is not an accurate statement. I can't think of anyone I know who doesn't like sports.
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posted 08-08-2003 10:36 PM
Rolks iterated what I waqs thinking fairly well, so congrats.
Also Char, I've got a few questions for you.
You've constantly asked "What's the point in exercising or playing sports versus playing a game that amounts to physical exercise?" And from what I've seen of it, all DDR is is a stepping class masked in a fruity game. It actually looks a lot like Jazzercise and those stepping classes you see in commercials for gyms on teevee. So let me ask you, what is the point in going out and playing your fruity step class game?
Assuming that you walk to your arcade, play DDR for about an hour and walk home, and you do this at least once a week, I'd like to know what this gains for you over, say, going out and playing a game of football (soccer) with your chums? My best guess is that you'll say that you can't get seriously injured by playing DDR. So you have a risk of injury. You've got a lot greater risk of injury getting in your car than going out to play football with your chums. On the other hand, you're getting many more benefits with football than with DDR.
Benefits of Playing Football: ("real world" skills gained in parentheses)
Team sport, increases teamwork (teamwork++)
Great cardiovascular workout* (life expectancy++)
Develops strategic thinking (creativity++)
Increases coordination (coordination(?)++)
Increases reflexes (reflexes(?)++)
Entertaining for others to watch <subjective>
Entertaining to play <subjective>
Benefits of Playing Dance Dance Revolutions: ("ditto")
Singular, increases individuality (creativity++, teamwork--, comedy coporate desireablity-- option)
Moderate-decent cardio workout*/**(life expectancy+)
Increases reflexes considerably** (reflexes+++)
Entertaining to play <subjective>
*Cardiovascular workouts (the ones that make you tired, they work your heart) have been repeatedly shown to increase life expectancy dramatically. Don't even give me any bullshit about "in moderation". 1-2 hours of cardio every day will help you more than 1-2 hours every week. It's fine if you want to be lazy, but don't resort to petty lying.
**Having never played DDR, these are just assumptions based on what I've seen.
(?) These are skill which you may or may not deem important in the real world but which I do.
As you can see, there are obviously benefits to doing both of the aforementioned activities, and enough people do both to make any claim that "most people do not enjoy sport/activity X" obviously false.
Seperately, I also know that going out running is a greatly enjoyable activity for many people, because if nobody enjoyed it, then they would never do it. The other way I know this is by the fact that my dad runs marathons. 26 or 27 at last count, iirc. Now tell me, why would a guy go out and run more than 6 miles every day of the week except one and then run 26+ marathons? And he doesn't plan on stopping there. At least one in each state, and then probably one in each continent (yup, trip to alaska and antarctica for me!). Now tell me, why would he do that, if he didn't enjoy it? Sure, he started out running because he didn't like the potbelly he had, but running in moderation (say, 3-4 miles a day, 3-4 days a week) instead of his normal schedule of about 10 miles a day on weekdays, and a 20 or 30 miler on saturday or sunday, if all he wanted to do was keep in shape. And before you ask, nobody nags him to do it. Hell, if anything, my mom complains about it occasionally (not often) when he accidently wakes her at 6 AM. Both parents are dead, so they aren't doing much nagging either. Same would be the case for the six guys he often goes out with on the weekend runs.
So put that in your noggin pipe and think it.
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posted 08-08-2003 11:23 PM
oh yah, and do they allow tazers, pepper spray and all that in a high school? cuz if not, then i'm gonna stick with my body
What fights are you going to get in at school? Besides, if you get into a fight, dont fight back. That way only they get expelled. Just stand up, take it, then when he's dragged away tower over him and let him know that you win.
I propose that proposing that walking around is enough exercise smacks of ignorance in the face of medical evidence, while proposing that we all abandon what we enjoy to stomp on a pad is lunacy.
What are you trying to say here.
Then what will all your preparation have earned you? Why bother pwning noobs and "succeeding" in life? What's to be gained from a better reputation and a bigger house? You keep asking the same questions about the physical perspective while assuming your own is self-evident, which is naive, self-centred, shallow and close-minded. If we all lived for ambition, the world would be a sorry place indeed.
Also, what is your stance here. It doesnt make sense.
Saying "most" is not an accurate statement. I can't think of anyone I know who doesn't like sports.
Read the excerpt again. I bet you're just asking the good players, you know, the ones who matter and are "worth" talking to. Look under their shoes for once.
So let me ask you, what is the point in going out and playing your fruity step class game?
It's a part of my Uber Diet that just so happens to work. Through playing this game, you'll get the exercise you need, and you'll have fun doing it. Sucks for you that you don't like it, I guess you just dont like reccommendation then.
Theres always that Track&Field game for the NES with that twister board or whatever.
I'd like to know what this gains for you over, say, going out and playing a game of football (soccer) with your chums?
You will get the required exercise you need. You don't get anything more, really, but the fact is, you dont get EXCESS. The insane amount of exercise you get from Soccer is useless, and doesn't help you any more than getting less exercise. There comes a point where you can exercise so much, then you'll be safe for the time being from rotting away, or deteriorating in anyway - the point where you're okay. Soccer goes really really really far beyond this point - and WHY?
Theres no need.
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DDR is fun to watch too, if you're watching, for instance, someone do Max 300 or Legend of Max. Or someone freestyling.
Teamwork isn't increased by playing Football. Or any team sport. Read the second excerpt again for that. Just an example without the click - in Basketball, it is everyones job to pass the ball to the MVP, and he will make all the baskets. Wheres the teamwork in that.
Now tell me, why would he do that, if he didn't enjoy it?
Because it's an individual sport, and not a team sport. Sports like Badminton and Track and whatnot are fine for funness.
he started out running because he didn't like the potbelly he had, but running in moderation (say, 3-4 miles a day, 3-4 days a week) instead of his normal schedule of about 10 miles a day on weekdays, and a 20 or 30 miler on saturday or sunday, if all he wanted to do was keep in shape.
Okay, well, go have fun. Individual sports are fine for FUN, but he's not getting any benefits out of it. Perhaps, he's wearing out his body before his time. Bones and muscles and whatnot only last so long, one doesn't want to wear it out too early.
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posted 08-08-2003 11:47 PM
i dunno if it matters, cuz i didn't read ice hawk's post (cfalcon length), but ice hawk hasn't played ddr. don't put the game down until you've at least played through a few songs.
before i played it, i thought it was gay how people would dance in front of a machine and enjoy it. i also thought how sad they were to believe in this game so much. that was all until i played it.
oh yah, and the kids who start fights in high school don't care about being expelled, so i can't exactly leer at them over something they don't care about.
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posted 08-08-2003 11:51 PM
Won't do DDR, not paying fifty cents to dance like some fat Asian while being mocked.
I played tennis for a few hours in one hundred degree weather.
Went swimming afterwards.
All I ate today was Yoplait yogurt.
Haven't really read this topic, its tl; dr.
I just see DDR being brought up. Which, regardless of whether or not you get a work-out, seems stupid to me.
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posted 08-09-2003 12:07 AM
What fights are you going to get in at school? Besides, if you get into a fight, dont fight back. That way only they get expelled. Just stand up, take it, then when he's dragged away tower over him and let him know that you win.
Must be fun living in your world. Where I come from, nerds get picked on solely because they are nerds (although I haven't in particular) for the sake of the picker's ego, "standing up and taking it" soon results in lying down and bleeding, and the administrators that are stupid enough to punish a kid for self defense generally punish him for being in a fight at all.
Also, what is your stance here. It doesnt make sense.
Seemed to make sense to Icy. But since I know you've been barricaded in the prison of your own righteousness, I'll spell it out. Exercise is a good thing. There is no evidence to the contrary, or if you think there is, I'd like to see it so I can overwhelm it with the tide of contradicting evidence. "Real life" is not all there is to life. Some of us are happy (or think we are) playing DDR, preparing for "Reality" and planning our ascent through the corporate ranks. Some of us are not. Those of us who are not happen to enjoy other things which are equally valid. Your mindset does not have a monopoly on truth. (Although mine does, since I'm Mormon )
Read the excerpt again. I bet you're just asking the good players, you know, the ones who matter and are "worth" talking to. Look under their shoes for once.
Did your parents never introduce you to Little League as a kid, or have the long years in front of your computer withdrawn you from reality? I've played/exercised with most of my friends at one point or another, and I don't associate with athletes.
It's a part of my Uber Diet that just so happens to work. Through playing this game, you'll get the exercise you need, and you'll have fun doing it.
For you. I know someone who plays DDR religiously and doesn't overeat and is still overweight. Anecdotal, yes, but so is yours.
Sucks for you that you don't like it
See, that's what you're missing. It doesn't suck for us, because we enjoy other things. DDR was not passed down from God. People managed to be happy and healthy before five years ago. Your "diet" is not the cure-all miracle you would have us believe.
Individual sports are fine for FUN, but he's not getting any benefits out of it.
It seems you have been deeply wronged as a child. I cannot conceive what else could result in a philosophy which places "benefits" over happiness.
Bones and muscles and whatnot only last so long, one doesn't want to wear it out too early.
If such terrible effects were true, do you really think we would not be warned? Selling hot coffee without a warning is grounds for a lawsuit, yet the purveyors of tools to allegedly wreck your body are not supervized at all? Gimme a break. Sure, the brutality of certain sports is terror to life and limb, but to make a blanket statement is ridiculous.
This whole debate reminds me of Mewtwo's Cheapness Revisited. To paraphrase Mr. K, you're wasting time arguing about the particulars of countering him when the fact is that he has forty points per stat over every other Pokemon.
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posted 08-09-2003 12:09 AM
For the record, I also love DDR and will be elated to have access to my roommate's PS2 at college in two weeks.
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posted 08-09-2003 01:12 AM
Exercise is a good thing. There is no evidence to the contrary, or if you think there is, I'd like to see it so I can overwhelm it with the tide of contradicting evidence.
Yes, but all the exercise you need to stay healthy is to walk around, and maybe play DDR because it is generally fun and it is a FUN way to exercise.
Doing anything more, playing Soccer, playing Football, lifting weights, they'll keep you healthy if you do it for a little while. But going crazy and making some giant plan and your own workout 'routine' is pointless. It's not going to make you any healthier than I will be by walking around and playing DDR.
Did your parents never introduce you to Little League as a kid, or have the long years in front of your computer withdrawn you from reality?
If you read the excerpt again, it goes to show that there is no difference between PE sports and voluntary team sports.
I've played/exercised with most of my friends at one point or another, and I don't associate with athletes.
I've played DDR with friends before, to the point where I'm dripping sweat all over the Street Fighter Alpha 2 machine.
I know someone who plays DDR religiously and doesn't overeat and is still overweight. Anecdotal, yes, but so is yours.
I call that genetics. All the exercise in the world wont overcome that. I tell you this - he's probably a very healthy fat man.
Your "diet" is not the cure-all miracle you would have us believe.
Actually it is, whether you like other things or not
It seems you have been deeply wronged as a child. I cannot conceive what else could result in a philosophy which places "benefits" over happiness.
I admitted it is fun, what more do you want. I just pointed out that he's probably only hurting himself in the end. Too much of anything isn't good, and exercise is a 'thing'.
If such terrible effects were true, do you really think we would not be warned?
What, you really think straining ones muscles to exhaustion, bringing ones heart to a veritable thrash inside ones chest, heaving air in and out to the point where you cough and spasm to get enough air - do you honestly believe that that is ALL good and has NO bad, long-term side effects?
That's bullshit, good sir. But I suppose you will say yes. Why? Because society has labeled sports has the end-to-all best thing in the universe - nothing bad about it to all. Even something as serious as a concussion is negligable in the world of sports. You will say yes because you are blind, good sir, blind to the propaganda.
My section on health was very large in the report. I will link it in it's entirety, now.
http://www.geocities.com/charmeleon42/excerpt3.html
To paraphrase Mr. K, you're wasting time arguing about the particulars of countering him when the fact is that he has forty points per stat over every other Pokemon.
Doesn't even apply, because in that analogy, I would be the one trying... to... argue that Mewtwo doesn't need those stats? Arguing for a nerf, what? That doesn't make sense. So the analogy is borked.
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posted 08-09-2003 02:22 AM
I'll respond to the rest of your post later, but if you get bored in the meantime, riddle me this: why is it if you search the archives of any scientific publication (that deals with the subject) for "exercise," you turn up many papers affirming the benefits of exercise - and plenty of it - but few to none to the contrary? Scientific bias and propaganda again, I presume?
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posted 08-09-2003 02:31 AM
Char42, it is obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.
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posted 08-09-2003 02:40 AM
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Char42, it is obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.
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posted 08-09-2003 03:06 AM
Scientific bias and propaganda again, I presume?
1. Give me an example of such a page.
2. Indeed. Noone is going to fund research to show negative aspects of exercise because of the same reason undone-backwards is going to say 'yes' to the question in my previous post.
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