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Rolken
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posted 07-19-2003 03:01 AM
Especially this one.
Someone ought to propose a Turing test for psychology - if you can't tell whether you're screwed up or not, you're not.
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posted 07-19-2003 06:24 AM
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Originally posted by Rolken:
...if you can't tell whether you're screwed up or not, you're not.
That's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard.
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posted 07-19-2003 08:30 AM
Did you see that South Park where all of the kids are given medication for ADD? It's kind of like that. I was tested for it back in 2nd or 3rd grade and they said that I had it. I never took medication because I really wasn't convinced that I had it. And I never wanted to act like I had an excuse for not doing as well as other people in my classes so I didn't broadcast the fact that I apparently had it. These days it seems like I can concentrate on anything that's interesting to me but I can't concentrate on things that I find boring or hard. I think that means that I'm unmotivated and a tad mentally lazy, not that I have ADD.
It would make it pretty difficult for kids with ADD or ADHD back in the 1800s to go through school, don't you think? Or maybe getting smacked around by a teacher really *is* the cure to ADHD?
Here's a question -- Do any of you think ADHD is at least partially a blessing? This girl I know who has it always has tons of energy to do things.
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posted 07-19-2003 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by 10,000Lb.Snorlax:
I was tested for it back in 2nd or 3rd grade and they said that I had it. I never took medication because I really wasn't convinced that I had it. And I never wanted to act like I had an excuse for not doing as well as other people in my classes so I didn't broadcast the fact that I apparently had it. These days it seems like I can concentrate on anything that's interesting to me but I can't concentrate on things that I find boring or hard. I think that means that I'm unmotivated and a tad mentally lazy, not that I have ADD.
Don't take this personally for it is not a question directed to attack you; but do you think that your belief that you didn't have ADD help you overcome it in the first place? Just because you don't think you have it doesn't mean you do on some level.
ADD is too general of a term. There should be different levels of measuring ADD though granted that would be somewhat hard to do. I think everyone has a little ADD; it just depends on how much it affects someone and and how much they let it affect them.
I was also diagnosed with ADD and was apparantly was borderline ADHD. Took damn ridaline(sp?) for almost 6 years. Long story short, I was better off it than taking it. I realized that it was all in my self control and will power. I stoped it affecting me cold turkey cause I was tired of making excusses. Makes my wonder if the medicine actually helps, and if it's the same with smokers and nicoteen patches. Notice they couldn't come up with a drug for alcoholics...
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GenyaA310
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posted 07-19-2003 10:37 PM
I know several people who use their "ADD/ADHD" diseases to get on disability and recieve government money. My cousin gets $300 a month for having those diseases. Every child in my family except for me claim to have those diseases as well as dyslexia. Im not a fool. Of course the diseases should be looked into, but only the severe cases like someone who screams all the time should be treated because those diseases can be home treated by a parental whack on the ass.
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Brayze
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posted 07-20-2003 12:18 AM
Quick question for my good man Rolken here. When you say 'disorders are stupid', do you mean that you doubt that mental illnesses actually exist, and that it's really just the fault of the will of the individual?
Or is this a critique of the modern, medication-heavy approach to mental well-being? And also the tendacy of some individuals to frame themselves as victims in order to receive attention or money?
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Rolken
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posted 07-20-2003 02:56 AM
When you say 'disorders are stupid', do you mean that you doubt that mental illnesses actually exist, and that it's really just the fault of the will of the individual?
Well, the evidence pretty clearly states that there're biochemical states (or imbalances, if you will) that correspond with the defined disorders. But, hey, there're chemical states for anger, too, and few would claim "it's not my fault, she made me mad." In my eyes, relegating the question to one of fault doesn't help much; after all, that's also a human approximation to reality which breaks down at its most extreme edges.
But since we live in the Real World, I guess something is necessary. I'd say there's a fair margin where it's not necessarily the person's fault, but he still bears the burden of putting up with it, and ADD falls within that range. Nobody gets pity for being imperfect physically; why should they for being imperfect mentally?
Or is this a critique of the modern, medication-heavy approach to mental well-being? And also the tendacy of some individuals to frame themselves as victims in order to receive attention or money?
Mostly the latter.
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posted 07-20-2003 03:07 AM
TOPIC SUMMATION:
Feeling distracted, disorganized? Trouble waiting your turn in line? Fidgety? Maybe you're an immature fuck, and you need to have your ass kicked.
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Rolken
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posted 07-20-2003 03:08 AM
replying in agreement
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posted 07-20-2003 06:27 AM
Alright, I was just making sure you had a reasonable opinion. Because some people actually are just basically fucked from the get-go, but other people are opportunistic pricks, so perspective is needed, I guess.
You can usually tell the genuinely fucked ones because they are incapable of functioning in society. Schizophrenia, severe OCD, severe unipolar depression, bipolar disorder, those are the biggies. The kind of stuff that makes people kill themselves or others.
ADD is not generally one of those things; I've known all sorts of ADD and ADHD kids, if this were the 20s they'd just be called black sheep.
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posted 07-20-2003 08:35 PM
Schizophrenia, severe OCD, severe unipolar depression, bipolar disorder, those are the biggies.
AY! Bipolar's not really that bad, if you keep track of stuff. Myself.. I've been against (almost) all forms of medication since I can remember. Especially in kids. A kid thinks differently, give 'em some Ritalin to chew on. A kid needs a good slap on the wrist? Can't do that, they've got a disorder; give 'em some ritalin to chew on. It's something the pharmaceutical companies give to "fix" people who won't sit down, shut up, and work like everyone else. You have any idea how much money the companies make from people who don't even need the drug they're taking? You have any idea how much of that the doctors that prescribe it get a cut of? In my mind, there is no ADD. Parents need to start doing their jobs (heaven forbid!), that's all. I was diagnosed with ADD around first or second grade, but refused meds as a matter of principle. And I grew up just fine (well, except for bipolar). It's the ones who took the "candy" who're screwed up in the head. Didn't see it right away, but it's not difficult to see if someone's taken Ritalin for a long period of time. Either way, I don't doubt that other disorders do exist just that they usually don't need medication, just discipline.
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posted 07-20-2003 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by Rolken:
Nobody gets pity for being imperfect physically;
Sure about that?
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Rolken
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posted 07-20-2003 11:46 PM
I meant like ugly, not missing a limb or something.
Although the latter makes people look at you funny as often as not.
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posted 07-21-2003 02:18 AM
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Originally posted by Rolken:
I meant like ugly, not missing a limb or something.
Although the latter makes people look at you funny as often as not.
I pity you. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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posted 07-21-2003 06:15 PM
Seriously, why are disorders stupid?
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Rolken
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posted 07-22-2003 04:04 AM
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Originally posted by Brayze:
Alright, I was just making sure you had a reasonable opinion. Because some people actually are just basically fucked from the get-go, but other people are opportunistic pricks, so perspective is needed, I guess.
You can usually tell the genuinely fucked ones because they are incapable of functioning in society. Schizophrenia, severe OCD, severe unipolar depression, bipolar disorder, those are the biggies. The kind of stuff that makes people kill themselves or others.
ADD is not generally one of those things; I've known all sorts of ADD and ADHD kids, if this were the 20s they'd just be called black sheep.
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posted 07-22-2003 02:10 PM
ADHD (psychologists got rid of ADD not too long ago to make it a broader catagory) is the stupidest thing. if someone's parents don't want to take care of their kid, they take them to a shrink to get them put on meds to make them act calm. the only problem with this is that almost every kid is hyper. it's just part of being a kid. america is the worst. we over-medicate for everything. simple cold? they get put on medication. a little hyper? put on medication. want to go to sleep quicker? put on medication. americans are stupid
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posted 07-22-2003 02:41 PM
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simple cold? they get put on medication.
if I didn't get put on medication for my cold it would've lasted 3 weeks instead of 2 ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Rolken
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posted 07-22-2003 06:01 PM
I'm not so opposed to people taking medication for their problems. It's not like anyone else is the worse for it anyway, and obviously it makes them feel better or they wouldn't take it. If you can't sleep, take sleeping pills - makes sense to me. It's when we're expected to excuse things they do as the product of factors beyond their control that they cross the line.
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posted 07-22-2003 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by sporkcore:
ADHD (psychologists got rid of ADD not too long ago to make it a broader catagory) is the stupidest thing. if someone's parents don't want to take care of their kid, they take them to a shrink to get them put on meds to make them act calm. the only problem with this is that almost every kid is hyper. it's just part of being a kid. america is the worst. we over-medicate for everything. simple cold? they get put on medication. a little hyper? put on medication. want to go to sleep quicker? put on medication. americans are stupid
Americans are not stupid, the doctors prescribe the meds and then the people follow blindly believing that the "experts" are helping them when in fact the "experts" are trying to make a penny.
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Rolken
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posted 07-22-2003 07:24 PM
Because helping people and making a living are mutually exclusive.
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posted 07-22-2003 08:18 PM
Well, that isn't totally true.
It does have a depressing level of accuracy, though.
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posted 07-23-2003 05:34 PM
sporky: ADHD (psychologists got rid of ADD not too long ago to make it a broader catagory) is the stupidest thing. if someone's parents don't want to take care of their kid, they take them to a shrink to get them put on meds to make them act calm. the only problem with this is that almost every kid is hyper. it's just part of being a kid. america is the worst. we over-medicate for everything. simple cold? they get put on medication. a little hyper? put on medication. want to go to sleep quicker? put on medication. americans are stupid
oh yeah ADHD is the stupidest thing ever.</sarcasm> For your information, I have ADHD and I took medicine to help me with it for like 7 years until 2 or so years ago when I didn't have to take it anymore. I am now able to concentrate better and act appropriately without medication or whatever and I still act "hyper" a lot, but that doesn't affect the way I "learn" or any other thing I do. So my point? You don't need medicine to help you if you have a "disability" if you can act like yourself without having to go to a doctor or whoever. By the way, I don't consider ADHD a disability so to speak. It has helped me more than it has hurt me.
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