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Rolken's a Mormon. What are you?

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I'm agnostic. It's boring, but at least I can keep some sanity.
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Bah! That's the quitters' way! Take enough mescaline, I guarantee you'll see God. Might even tell you something.
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Glad to see so many fellow atheists!

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Technically Catholic, effectively agnostic with a bias towards Christian thinking.

That is, I do not know if there is or is not a God, but I like to imagine there is and that He's a pretty nice guy.

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Apathetic-agnostic.
I don't know and I don't care.

EDIT: Actually, part-time Discordian too.

[ 07-17-2003, 02:20 PM: Message edited by: Twinkle ]

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I'm a protestant, but I almost chose that Christian who doesn't associate with either of the above because I'm non-denominational.

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There are different versions of both atheism and agnosticism that we might call "strong" and "weak."

Weak agnosticism: You don't know whether there's a god.
Strong agnosticism: You think it's impossible to know whether there's a god.

Weak atheism: You don't believe that god exists.
Strong atheism: You believe that god doesn't exist.

In epistemology a pretty common definition of "knowledge" is a true & justified belief about something. You can talk about "belief" as a mental entity, but I think you don't go too far wrong by saying that someone believes something if he/she acts as if it is true.

Anyway, a not-widely understood consequence of all this is that you can actually be agnostic while also being either a theist or an atheist. From what I can tell, a large majority of people who claim to be "agnostic" are trying to distance themselves from atheism, yet are really double-weak agnostic atheists. That is, they:

- don't believe that god exists
- don't actively believe that he doesn't exist
- don't know whether god exists (that is, even if they believed that god exists, they don't think that this belief would be justified)
- wouldn't say it's impossible to know whether god exists.

By taking this position they're distancing themselves from strong atheism, though.

And many people who claim to be theists, and even who claim to be Christians, are really weak agnostic theists. That is, they wouldn't say that they have knowledge of god's existence (their belief is not justified by evidence), but they believe in it anyway.

[ 07-17-2003, 06:41 PM: Message edited by: Wintermute ]

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Atheist Agnostic Christian.

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After reading Wintermute's post, I'd like to say Weak Atheism [Embarrassed]

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Doubleweak Agnostic / Atheist.

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Ah. Much better when Wintermute posts.

(Except for that drug topic, where he was wrong six ways from Sunday [Wink] )

"And many people who claim to be theists, and even who claim to be Christians, are really weak agnostic theists. That is, they wouldn't say that they have knowledge of god's existence (their belief is not justified by evidence), but they believe in it anyway."

Yea, that's pretty much me.

I saw this bumper sticker once. It said "Militant Agnostic- I don't know and YOU DON'T EITHER!"

I thought that was really funny.

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Hey, who's the deist?
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Its hard to pick the correct religion nowadays. There is so much vareity out there. If you pick the wrong one you go to hell and so forth.

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I'm the deist. When I made this up I had to look up all the definitions of things I wasn't positive on to make sure I wasn't repeating myself. I checked out deist and there I was!
Being a physicist, I believe that the world runs according to natural laws, without any type of intervention (or at least intervention that defies the laws; chaos theory and the uncertainty principle still leave some room). My concept of God isn't anything anthropomorphic or concious.
The laws of physics are best decribed by sets of equations. I realize that I could write an equation, and bring an idea into existence, but it's still nothing more than an idea. There isn't necessarily any physical phenomena that my equation describes. So, for me, God is the thing that "breathed fire into the equations," and brought them into being. You could call it anything, I call it God.

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I'm a heretic.

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Anthrax, will you marry me?

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quote:
Originally posted by Yurika:
Its hard to pick the correct religion nowadays. There is so much vareity out there. If you pick the wrong one you go to hell and so forth.

Well, the idea is that it shouldn't really be "hmm which one sounds better" - it should be which one you believe to be true. Religions which condemn 99% of humanity suck anyway (and there's barely a handful which can claim 1% of the world as believers).

I'm still writing up my reasoning for converting for cfalcon and whoever else's interested. Yep.

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Strong, Bible-believing christian.

EDIT: [PBJ Time!]

[ 07-18-2003, 03:51 AM: Message edited by: veloS ]

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You shoulda made it able to choose more than one.

Some of us are mixed with our beliefs. [Big Grin]

Oh, and praise [This Guy]

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I wanted you to have to pick something that was easily definable without having to rely on everyone's explanation. I also didn't want anyone who's clever to say they were Catholic and Satanic.
And Rolken, under the categories that I listed, there are a few religions with more than 1% of the world population subscribing. Here is a rundown of unrelated agreeing sources:
33% Christian
19% Muslim
9-13% Non-religious
13% Hindu
6% Buddhist
3-4% Atheist
3% Ethnoreligionists
2% New-Religionists
.5% Sikhs
.2% Jews
Also Christianity is dropping (percentage-wise) while Islam is growing. Just so y'all know.

Now, about me. If I had to sign up with an organized religion, I'd either go with Ch'an Buddhism, and go sit in a monastery in lotus for years on end, or Hinduism, where you can pick and choose whatever the hell you wanna think. Did you know that the Hindus have instructions for the construction and operation of UFOs in their sacred texts (the craft are called vimanas)? Did you also know that it is the only World Religion that has no single founder, and the biggest reason it's been around so long (5,000 years or so) is that it's capable of absorbing pretty much anything? For example, Vishnu comes to Earth in a carbon-based form every so often (called an avatar), and aside from Rama, Krishne, and Buddha Gautama, he's also credited with being Jesus Christ (the Piscean avatar)?
I could crash the server with all my useless religious knowledge, so I'll stop now.
Thanks for voting.

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quote:
Originally posted by 137, weird syntax left in for effect:
... or Hinduism, where you can pick and choose whatever the hell you wanna think. Did you know that the Hindus have instructions for the construction and operation of UFOs in their sacred texts (the craft are called vimanas)? Did you also know that it is the only World Religion that has no single founder, and the biggest reason it's been around so long (5,000 years or so) is that it's capable of absorbing pretty much anything? For example, Vishnu comes to Earth in a carbon-based form every so often (called an avatar), and aside from Rama, Krishne, and Buddha Gautama, he's also credited with being Jesus Christ (the Piscean avatar)?

*very very very drily* Yes, 137, I would wager that he knows all that. I would also wager that these are some big reasons that he's NOT Hindu. Being as, oh, it would only be about a million times easier to BE Hindu, considering his father's opinions on the entire religion thing. In fact, I might go so far as to say that those things conflict so violently with his personal beliefs that he would rather be disowned than be a part of that religion.

EDIT: So instead, he's Mormon, because that DOES happen to suit his religious beliefs. The fact that the Hare Krishnas are INTERESTING crackpots doesn't make them any less crackpots. I could say the same for a lot of other religions and cultures.

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I'm actually Satanist. No, really. I go to a place nearby called Japa, and we worship the Dark Lord. It's really not what you'd think. The old satanist philosophy concentrated on basically being blasphemous to the Christian god. Things have changed very much since then. Not to mention all the bias we normally get. I guess what I'm saying is, give Lucifer a chance.
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quote:
Originally posted by AnnieKat:
quote:
Originally posted by 137, weird syntax left in for effect:
... or Hinduism, where you can pick and choose whatever the hell you wanna think. Did you know that the Hindus have instructions for the construction and operation of UFOs in their sacred texts (the craft are called vimanas)? Did you also know that it is the only World Religion that has no single founder, and the biggest reason it's been around so long (5,000 years or so) is that it's capable of absorbing pretty much anything? For example, Vishnu comes to Earth in a carbon-based form every so often (called an avatar), and aside from Rama, Krishne, and Buddha Gautama, he's also credited with being Jesus Christ (the Piscean avatar)?

*very very very drily* Yes, 137, I would wager that he knows all that. I would also wager that these are some big reasons that he's NOT Hindu. Being as, oh, it would only be about a million times easier to BE Hindu, considering his father's opinions on the entire religion thing. In fact, I might go so far as to say that those things conflict so violently with his personal beliefs that he would rather be disowned than be a part of that religion.

EDIT: So instead, he's Mormon, because that DOES happen to suit his religious beliefs. The fact that the Hare Krishnas are INTERESTING crackpots doesn't make them any less crackpots. I could say the same for a lot of other religions and cultures.

Why do you assume that by "you" he means Rolken or whomever, maybe it was a plural "you" which addressed all the forum members that were uninformed of these facts.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dark_Herakurosu:
I'm actually Satanist. No, really. I go to a place nearby called Japa, and we worship the Dark Lord. It's really not what you'd think. The old satanist philosophy concentrated on basically being blasphemous to the Christian god. Things have changed very much since then. Not to mention all the bias we normally get. I guess what I'm saying is, give Lucifer a chance.

So, you're practically honoring and worshipping the biggest asshole in the world, who hates you and wants to kill you? Weird.

Seriously, worshipping satan, lucifer, cfalcon, the dark lord or whatever you call him... that's just whack.

Please x-plain. Don't tell me it's the metal. I'm pretty interested in this.

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quote:
Originally posted by veloS:
Please x-plain. Don't tell me it's the metal. I'm pretty interested in this.

My understanding of modern Satanism is that it's a libertarian religion with a bias towards hedonism.
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ALLAH ACKBAR!

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Annie, dr. steelix is right. It was a blanket "you", directed at Rolken, AnnieKat, and everybody else who read it. Maybe the "y'all" in the sentence before your quote started was supposed to convey that, maybe not. Also, I was saying that if I had to choose a religion, it might be that. I wasn't suggesting that Rolken do so. He already seemed to have made up his mind. Also, I didn't mean at all to belittle Rolken's knowledge of Hinduism, or anything like that.
I think that's everything. How odd that twice this week someone has completely misunderstood a single word in one of my posts, and been moved to write about it. Am I that incomprehensible?

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And for future reference, be sure to include "Goddish worshipper" and "Jedi" in the poll.
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Right, Jedi, will do.
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quote:
Originally posted by 137:
Annie, dr. steelix is right. It was a blanket "you", directed at Rolken, AnnieKat, and everybody else who read it. Maybe the "y'all" in the sentence before your quote started was supposed to convey that, maybe not. Also, I was saying that if I had to choose a religion, it might be that. I wasn't suggesting that Rolken do so. He already seemed to have made up his mind. Also, I didn't mean at all to belittle Rolken's knowledge of Hinduism, or anything like that.
I think that's everything. How odd that twice this week someone has completely misunderstood a single word in one of my posts, and been moved to write about it. Am I that incomprehensible?

Well, your sig DID say you used acid, and it was super-effective... dude, dropping LSD doesn't tend to lead to coherence...

[Wink]

Sorry, dude.

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My step-uncle says that if you're Non-Denominational then you might as well not have a religion. Catholic, he is.

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And if it had been directed at me, I would think that the expectation would be that I would be the one replying to it.
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quote:
Originally posted by Psybro:
quote:
Originally posted by veloS:
Please x-plain. Don't tell me it's the metal. I'm pretty interested in this.

My understanding of modern Satanism is that it's a libertarian religion with a bias towards hedonism.
Yeah, the majority is. But there are still a lot of satanists who really believe in God and satan, but worship satan because they think that satan will triumph over God and the Christians. That they will burn all the christians in hell, and they will just party hard 4ever. Or something like that.

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I want a "Shut Up" button.
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God is the great deciever, not Satan. When Satan created the entire universe, everything was good. Everyone was happy. Then one of Satan's angels decided to rally up a group of followers of his own. This other group of angels overthrew Satan, casting him into the depths of Hell and binding him there along with His loyal angels. Thus the Christian god has decieved you all, in that he did not create the world. Some doubt he even could create a universe. If Lucifer hadn't been outnumbered by his own creations, the world would be a perfect place again. This is the base, the core of Satanism.

There is also a great deal of hedonism in Satanism. Following the teachings of the true creator, we seek to indulge in our desires. There's not much ordinary people can do to change the position of even a lowly angel like the Christian god, but we can at least have a little fun doing it. What feels good, is good. See, the Christian god could overthrow Satan (with some help), but he could not change what is intrinsically good about the universe. The powers of a true god are far greater than that. Therefore, we do what we can to preserve this order within the cosmos, to hopefully appease Satan, and (since Christian doctrine obviously won't send us to "heaven"), we will go to "hell", thus being able to help Lucifer in the final bout on Judgement Day. Would thou not want to servest the one who hath created thee? Thought so. You know a bit, veloS, but you shouldn't believe everything you read. And Psybro - you're too smart to argue with. Besides, you're mostly correct.

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I am not aware of any large (or even sort of large) satanic community that believes the beliefs outlined above. Most of them are some derivation from Le Voy (or something) and his Satanic Bible.

Could you provide extensive links to the organizations you are talking about? Or just one, if there's only one, I guess. Like, the Temple of Set (yes, satanists) is mainstream enough to have a section in the chaplan's handbook in the army (or was in the past). I've honestly never heard of that set of beliefs, before.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dark_Herakurosu:
God is the great deciever, not Satan. When Satan created the entire universe, everything was good. Everyone was happy. Then one of Satan's angels decided to rally up a group of followers of his own. This other group of angels overthrew Satan, casting him into the depths of Hell and binding him there along with His loyal angels. Thus the Christian god has decieved you all, in that he did not create the world. Some doubt he even could create a universe. If Lucifer hadn't been outnumbered by his own creations, the world would be a perfect place again. This is the base, the core of Satanism.

There is also a great deal of hedonism in Satanism. Following the teachings of the true creator, we seek to indulge in our desires. There's not much ordinary people can do to change the position of even a lowly angel like the Christian god, but we can at least have a little fun doing it. What feels good, is good. See, the Christian god could overthrow Satan (with some help), but he could not change what is intrinsically good about the universe. The powers of a true god are far greater than that. Therefore, we do what we can to preserve this order within the cosmos, to hopefully appease Satan, and (since Christian doctrine obviously won't send us to "heaven"), we will go to "hell", thus being able to help Lucifer in the final bout on Judgement Day. Would thou not want to servest the one who hath created thee? Thought so. You know a bit, veloS, but you shouldn't believe everything you read. And Psybro - you're too smart to argue with. Besides, you're mostly correct.

Thought so... You know, that's what a lot of high-degree masons also believe. That Lucifer is the true God, and Adonai ('my' God, aka Jesus) is the deceiver. In other words, (IMO; by christian believe) the turn God into the bad guy, and satan into the good guy.

I'm very interested in why you believe that Lucifer created the cosmos. Cause we actually believe the same, but with a different d00d running the show.

PS. @ cfalcon: It's La Vey. Anton La Vey. [Razz] )

EDIT. @ Sonius: I second that.

[ 07-25-2003, 06:27 AM: Message edited by: veloS ]

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