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Automaton
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posted 07-08-2003 08:32 PM      Profile for Automaton   Author's Homepage   Email Automaton   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry for going on a brief hiatus. I've had some trouble with my brother and the internet connection. Next sunday or monday I'll be in an apartment away from this spider-infested, cockadoodle-doo fucking *bark bark bark* opossums foraging in my gah-damm kitchen orifice of doom. Whence comes the Cable Modem. So hopefully then I'll have my net back to full power and subsequently resume the adventure. Oh, and sorry about the abruptness with which my brother killed my internet from the network out of spite last time. Bad times.

OH, and anyone here who's interested in joining the campaign, contact whichever of the players is interested in getting you set up and also download everything necessary from here.

Thanks, and sorry for the brief snafu.

[ 07-08-2003, 08:34 PM: Message edited by: Automaton ]

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Nerd nerd nerd.

NerdnerdnerdNERDnerd.

Nerd-nerd nerd nerd, nerd nerd, nerd, nerdnerd.

Nerdnerd.

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No problemo, glad to know you're still alive. [Razz]

I'll be gone starting tomorrow for about a week myself, so I guess I'll see the rest of you then.

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quote:
Originally posted by Automaton:
Sorry for going on a brief hiatus. I've had some trouble with my brother and the internet connection. Next sunday or monday I'll be in an apartment away from this spider-infested, cockadoodle-doo fucking *bark bark bark* opossums foraging in my gah-damm kitchen orifice of doom. Whence comes the Cable Modem. So hopefully then I'll have my net back to full power and subsequently resume the adventure. Oh, and sorry about the abruptness with which my brother killed my internet from the network out of spite last time. Bad times.

OH, and anyone here who's interested in joining the campaign, contact whichever of the players is interested in getting you set up and also download everything necessary from here.

Thanks, and sorry for the brief snafu.

I love you [Frown]
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What's "Snafu"?
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Literally, "situation normal all fucked up".

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quote:
Originally posted by Automaton:

OH, and anyone here who's interested in joining the campaign, contact whichever of the players is interested in getting you set up and also download everything necessary from here.


Oh man, is this 3E D&D or what?
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Sounds interesting. What character levels are you at, and what time of day do you typically play?

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quote:
Originally posted by Ikuse:
[QUOTE]oh man, is this 3E D&D or what?

3e, and we're also incorporating some of 3.5e rules.

quote:
Sounds interesting. What character levels are you at, and what time of day do you typically play?

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Can I join?

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can i be chaotic neutral
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yes but you have to be a gnome
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i double-tapped my mana pool [Cool]

edit: bitch step off

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quote:
Originally posted by cfalcon:
Nerd nerd nerd.

NerdnerdnerdNERDnerd.

Nerd-nerd nerd nerd, nerd nerd, nerd, nerdnerd.

Nerdnerd.

I know you DM IRL, ho. You can't hide from me.

Also, wow am I late on the trigger. Way for me to start a thread on Azure and not follow it up. :thumbsup:

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yeea but im not all up in yo face with me NERDNERDNERD shit like dis yo
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quote:
Originally posted by starCaliber:
i double-tapped my mana pool [Cool]

edit: bitch step off

omg if you don't untap you'll get mana burn!
gogo old skool YGO

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quote:
Originally posted by cfalcon:
yeea but im not all up in yo face with me NERDNERDNERD shit like dis yo


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gg getting owned there cfalcon

So yeah I can't play tonight but monday will be uber-puzzleness and I have my Evil Co-DM hat on.

Those of you who feel the urge to "just look round this corner" will be beheaded, assraped and burnt, in that order. Those of you who wish to "take a peek in that treasurechest" will be teleported to Lapdance Island [British]. Those of you who do as I tell you will come to no harm.

Oh god I love this icon. [PBJ Time!]
Lemme ride that donkey donkey, let me ride that donkey donkey PLE-EASE...

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Yea, yea yea.

Look, I'm obviously not actually INSULTING anyone here- I mean:

(a) I am on a pokemon forum
(b) I have *three* nerd degrees.
(c) I'm not just a DM in real life: I've been a DM for like, 10 years, and had several multiyear campaigns.
(d) I HAVE A MASTER'S IN EE THAT IS SUPER NERDY HELLO HELLO

But if you guys are gonna get all pissy about it, I'll just have to regale you with a tale of Pogner the Monk.

Pogner was one of Zem's characters in the first of the two big "college era" campaigns (1997-2000 or so). After a year or so, we added second characters for everybody- pk added a psionisist, the raw power gamer added an elven fighter/mage/thief, and Zem added this monk.

Now I try to make things unique without going crazy- so each of these characters had a decent backstory and all that, mostly provided by the players. Pogner's deal was that he didn't believe in magic. At all. Like, if you tried to Cure his Light Wounds, he would save against it. Zem tried to get a bit of a bonus on saves against illusions here (after all, he disbelieves!). I gave him the bonus on saves versus spell in general, and gave him a 2% chance to negate *any* spell as he saw it (but only once per thing). This was a broad power, but he couldn't really control it.

It was useful to the group from time to time, because it would be like:

The psionisist glares at you, Thron (Half orc cleric/fighter, rhymes with "prawn"). Joe, save versus (whatever you saved for when hit with disintegrate in 2ed) *rolls* *fails*

For a split second you feel yourself being wrenched from reality...
(die roll)
...Gosh Pogner, your good friend Thron being snapped into dust makes no fucking sense to you at all. Must have been dust in your eye or something. Thron, you're all good.

But remember: this power worked against *all* the good guy spells. Nothing like your enlarge or haste fizzling because it doesn't make sense to the monk.

Anyway, the culmination of the power was when they went to the gnomish city that was building airships for the military.

Wow, there's a ship floating in the air! What the shit is that! That can't be real. The ship crashes to the ground, which makes a lot more sense to you. The others are still up- must be an optical illustion or something.

Anyway, Zem being a powergaming punk finally managed to get rid of the power so that he could enlarge his monk and do triple damage.

Christ could that party whoop ass. I mean, they had a Jester. A jester gets spells like a wizard in second edition (he's a kind of bard, he has the bard spell progression). The problem is, bards (and therefore jesters) have a better XP chart in that edition- it's the same as thieves. So once you get to really high levels (close to twenty and such), the wizards are way, way below you- your line has an entirely different slope!

So his trick was to take any spell that went up by level and had no cap and cast that, because he was absurdly leveled. For instance, Enlarge is a first level spell. Makes you bigger. Multiplies your damage by 1+(level/10)- So at 1st level, 1.1, at 10th level 2, at 20th level 3. So he would haste and enlarge himself, and then attack with his dagger.

Fucking 1d4+ strength + whatever overpowered magic the dagger had on it, times like 4.something .

Now, here's another quirk about the Jester: jesters are immune to insanity.

Ok, no biggie.

No, actually that breaks the game.

See, they got the jester high enough level to cast "clone". Clone creates a copy of a person, but there are limits about what it can do and such- for instance, if I clone you, you take months to grow, and then, if you are still alive, the clone is 90% likely to go insane. Otherwise you do.

But that couldn't happen to the Jester!

So they would clone a bunch of jesters, then geas them to cast this shitastic spell that Joe found in one of the books. The spell can raise an attribute by 1 point (but can't take anything above 22), at the cost of 1d4 Con points.

Those changes are permanant.

So, their first wave of mind controlled jesters just all souped up the Con of one of them, then used that random dispatcher spell to go to a different plane from where they could never return.

Then the one with the souped up Con made a shit ton of clones.

When *that* crop was reaped- they each boosted an attribute of a party member a couple times, then left.

So the whole party ended up with 22s all around.

I was personally grateful they didn't take it to its logical conclusion: an army of high level spell casters, utterly unstoppable by mortal magic. Hell, I was glad that all they wanted was a bunch of fucking 22s.

That was how fucked up that campaign was.

They also had a deck of many things. Remember the Elven Fighter Mage Thief? Well, his "Mage" levels were in "wild mage", which gave him a 50% chance shot to dictate what card gets pulled at any time- so he instantly had a small keep and a bunch of other good shit.

Anyways, that poor deck got abused all to hell, but I'm a good DM so I couldn't just take it from them.

However, the gnomes put these explosive arrows on sale, which the archer (Gilky the elf) bought a few of. Now, every time she was subjected to a fireball like effect, the arrows had a seperate save if she failed hers- and if they failed, they would blow the fuck up.

She knew this, but she really liked those arrows.

I mean, she's just an archer, and each one did like 5d6 concussive damage to shit. So she loved them to death.

So she had quite a few of them on her when she failed a save versus some kind of fiery dragon breath.

Man, that was great. Got to kill of like 3 party members in a second (you each take... how many arrows, Kelly? 15? Well, let's see.... 13 of them detonate... times five... d6s...).

The party members returned, of course.

But the accursed Deck of Many things was gone for good!

Man I could just go on like this.

Nerdnerdnerd nerd.

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Heh, we play 3rd edition mostly, and I had this default party of Hobgoblins (Fighter, Cleric, Wizard, Rogue) that were all a higher level than the rest of the party, get slaughtered because SSM's Psychic Warrior used a 0-level psionic power (Control Shadow) to make the NPC rogue look like he was still sitting there, as the enemy party observed the players in the night. (The enemy had given an Ultimatum, but the players figured of they fought them on their terms, they were fucked, which was pretty close to accurate)

Enter Control Shadows. Dour, my NPC Gray Elf Rogue, was going to do some recon to size up the enemy troupe. He fails his move silently check when observing the enemy Rogue. He ends up shooting the poor fuck point blank in the face with his longbow, and then laying him down on the ground gently like a hackysack. (1d8+3+2d6 damage for the sneak attack). He goes around and then gets heard again by the resident Cleric of Hextor, and the brawl ensues, to the slaughter of the enemy that was designed to outright kill at least one of the party.

Granted, I'm still pretty new to DMing, as my utterly callous holy-roller-ness kept me from playing DND for years despite all things fantasy giving me mad wood.

But yeah, I was just giving you shit before. [Razz]

Didn't think you were insulting at all, nor was I being pissy. Jen on the other hand, is australian for biznatch.

(Also, it can be noted that in 3-3.5 edition, a DoMT is an artifact, which are indestructable. Still, rule-0ing the deck to smithereens was a wise choice. I hear many horror stories of artifacts getting rolled in various campaigns that break them open completely, and it's no surprise to me that Artifacts in 3rd and after are all placement only, and cannot be rolled.)

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can i be a chaotic neutral gnome
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Yea, I have tales from our 3ed campaign as well (obviously, we couldn't start that until the books came out), but they aren't quite as good... I mean, Zem tried to get infinite attacks with his wolf animal companion (thankfully I vetoed that, the rules were even on my side), but he still would animal growth his awakened wolf. Now, wolves get "Improved Trip", so they get a free trip attack whenever they hit with their attack. So, he awakened the wolf and gave it a level of fighter. What did he buy with that fighter feat? Whatever shit feat gives you an attack of oppurtunity whenever a person falls on their ass in front of you. It's meant so that you take that, and learn trip, and don't forgo your full range of moves- but when it's on a wolf, it's homogayfagtastic.

So his fucking wolf would attack.

Miss.

Attack.

Hit.

Trip attempt- miss.

Attack.

Hit.

Trip attempt- succeed, enemy on the ground.

Attack, with bonuses for them being on the ground.

Then, the next round, the dude would stand up. Since he was like a mage or something, he couldn't cast spells (attack of oppurtunity) or he had to defenesively cast (more common)... and he sure as shit couldn't run away, because the wolf had reach, so... attack of oppurtunity.

Then he had ANOTHER giant fucking mammal, some kind of badger or someshit.

Fuck those huge animals.

The whole game was:

(1) Can enemy fly? (yes->2) (no-> 4)
(2) Can enemy resist Dispel Magic twice a round? (yes -> 3) (no -> 4)
(3) Actually have a fight.
(4) PCs win.

Zem is a little asshoeslutmidget.

Our normal powergamer like didn't know shit about 3ed, so he basically made an early warning system for a PC. Now, he was very alert and never slept and all, and they could usually start the battle on THEIR terms, not the enemies, so it really, really, was a good call--- but the simple fact is, he didn't really enjoy his whole trick being "we get to attack first all magicked up", even if it did win the day.

Because it was boring.

I didn't think Control Shadows could do something like that- because it's like a Cantrip effect, so it can't duplicate the effects of a "real" spell. I would call that effect (visual only, picture of a person) as a 1st level illusion effect.

But I've been away from my books for awhile.

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quote:
Originally posted by Anthrax:
can i be a chaotic neutral gnome

You mean you aren't one already?

Also, the shadow controlled was in the lee of a nearby tree during a moonlit night, and the Shadow in question was shaped merely to resemble the still form of an elf meditating. I figured that was well within the scope of the spell, despite the circumstances.

Also, 3.5 did do a lot to fix animal companions, mainly now that rangers and druids are only allowed one at a time, (a la familiars) in addition to the fact that Awakening an animal requires the caster to make a will save, and also an awakened animal can't be an Animal Companion with all the coolness derived therof since they become a free agent at that point.

And yeah, a Wolf Fighter advanced 2 hit dice while still stupid to become large gets a +4 size bonus to its trip checks, and a +8 bonus to resist being tripped due to it's large size and four legs. Improved trip with the normal wolf Trip ability lets them actually get more attacks than normal, since Imp Trip was designed just so that you get back your attack you used for the trip attempt; Wolves and other creatures with Trip make the trip attempt as part of a regularly damaging attack rather than having to make a touch to initiate it, making trip just like Cleave.

Now, have the above wolf with Cleave and Great Cleave and you have a ridiculous DMigraine waiting to happen.

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badgers arent that big
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Bada Bing, you just described a Druid from mine and Auto's last game, Sonuis. He had this wolf named sero who was awakened and did massive damage. And had max charisma possible. It was broken to the extreme.

Meanwhile Control Shadow functions as a Talent but still works well I guess, as far as Auto says, but I'm not Mr Genius here.

Speaking of Lame power-wise, I was in this edition 2 campaign where three characters were given orbs of dragonkind at level 3. Meanwhile me and the campaign's psion, who were the only ones not to get them, were basically limited. Personally, I think the DM was on the crack, but I'm not going to go into a whole barrel of details. Just wanted to post.

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quote:
Originally posted by Anthrax:
badgers arent that big

Dire badgers are big as saint bernards.

One with 4-9 hit die is as big as a horse.

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dire badges arent real
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neither are wizards
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Neither is your sense of decency, Mentar. Why must you make us all suffer by crushing our hopes and dreams? Yet again your thoughtless and cruel words have caused thousands, if not MILLIONS to weep. I'm not saying you are satan, but I'm not with you 24 hours a day, so maybe, maybe not. Nevertheless, you should be ashamed of this malicious claim taken against the innocent wizards, and I demand an apology on the grounds that you are mean.

Also have your grey elf wizard make me some boots of haste ok?

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Yeah will do.

...why didn't anyone tell me before this campaign that being the party mage is just so fun?

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Ehh...I could go into the story of how me an' some D/s friends decided to set up a 2e campaign...and how the DM was all like "heh heh" about it, so the two Doms (guys) got to play uber characters and got massive gold and a higher starting level, and us girls got stuck with literally no shirts on our backs and piss-weak...but that's not a funny story, because that's as far as the campaign got before Randall's computer blew up in his face.

Anyway...uh, SSM, I'm planning this tomb-venture thingie, and I'm -assuming- you'd like a cloak of charisma or somesuch for Bart, aye? Good, thanks.
Sonuis, I needae know what Mefen'd like in the very-minor wondrous range, lemme know before tomorrow [Mad]

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and us girls got stuck with literally no shirts on our backs

Strip D&D? That, I can get into.

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quote:
Originally posted by Charmeleon42:
and us girls got stuck with literally no shirts on our backs

Strip D&D? That, I can get into.

What Jen neglected to mention was the fact that she was playing a Minotaur at the time, and her friend was a female Mind Flayer.
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quote:
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Sonuis, I needae know what Mefen'd like in the very-minor wondrous range, lemme know before tomorrow [Mad]

He already has a very minor wondrous range thing called a Bracers of Armor +1. No need to work here... yet.
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You still stole those? Ra'll have your guts for garters, dude. They're in the "share and share alike [Mad] " box. And this is for what we may or may not find in the tomb, and yes you do need to fuggin post here [Mad] [Mad] [Mad] I hate you and your mom and your brother and little girls eat mario every day adfhmjhdgadGadg,mjdgASD!! [PBJ Time!]

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That's what you get for being Sonuis. Those bracers were going to be for me since I have the lowest AC, but whatever.

Speaking of whatever, why do fools fall in love? [Confused] [Confused] [Confused] [Confused] [Confused] [Confused] LOOK I AM CONFUSED

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I spoke to one of my friends in real life the other day. Next time we get together he might try to show me how to play D&D. Once I learn, can I join this thing you guys are doing?

And for those who have never seen it...

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=90046

Awesome flash, must see for D&D / RPG fans

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quote:
Originally posted by SSM:
[Confused] [Confused] [Confused] [Confused] [Confused] [Confused] LOOK I AM CONFUSED

He's copying me.
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Actually, MK, if Anthrax joins we'll have quite a few people, and it gets harder to roleplay if there's a lot more than 4 people on at one time.
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Did Anthrax PM you or something? Cause I'm pretty sure he's joking all to hell ITT.

And you guys really roleplay online? I guess, you know, a chat program and some patience....

I dunno.

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Yes, no, yes, yes, and you are damn straight you don't know.

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So 3.5 fixed that little problem of having an animal companion smarter than the character? "Whatever will we do?" "I don't know, let me ask my good friend the wolf."

And my infinite attacks would have worked if it weren't for you and you're "logic". Basically, the wolf tripped someone, so he got an attack. When the wolf hits, he gets to trip someone... so he gets an attack, so he gets to trip... so he gets to attack... so he trips... etc. There was nothing in the rulebook to stop it, except for cfalcon's insistence that you can't trip someone who is already on the ground.

Along the way I had a dire badger, a dire boar, a dire bear, and finally the legendary wolf. Oh, and an almost paladin.

The bear was most excellent. Pootyhead cfalcon killed him... so I reincarnated him. He came back as an elf... which would require a most unacceptable lifestyle for a bear. So we found a wizard to poly him into a dire bear. A very smart dire bear, actually.

cfalcon, I got confused reading that, BTW. "no, Zem wasn't in that campaign..... oh yeah, I'm Zem now..."

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cfalcon: We play with OpenRPG. It's a nifty utility with a battle grid that you can use RPG sprites as miniatures for, it contains a good die roller, a chat interface (of course) and bunches of other goodies that I have no idea how the fuck to use.

Zem: I'd say ixnay on the infiite attacks myself, as improved trip applies only to successful trips, not successful trip checks. In other words, when they go prone is when the improved trip attack happens, not if they're still prone. There aren't varying degrees of prone, a character that's already prone can't be tripped. I'm sure if you emailed Andy Collins he'd agree with me.

However, one neat thing I saw on the Min/Max board was taking levels of Duelist with your wolf (Since a bite is considered a light piercing weapon) and thus getting int bonus to AC, bonuses to initiative, the ability to make acrobatic charges, etc.

And yah, the new animal companion rules are as follows:

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Animal Companion (Ex): A druid may begin play with an animal companion selected from the following list: badger, camel, dire rat, dog, riding dog, eagle, hawk, horse (light or heavy), owl, pony, snake (Small or Medium viper), or wolf. If the campaign takes place wholly or partly in an aquatic environment, the following creatures are also available: crocodile, porpoise, Medium shark, and squid. This animal is a loyal companion that accompanies the druid on her adventures as appropriate for its kind.
A 1st-level druid’s companion is completely typical for its kind except as noted below. As a druid advances in level, the animal’s power increases as shown on the table. If a druid releases her companion from service, she may gain a new one by performing a ceremony requiring 24 uninterrupted hours of prayer. This ceremony can also replace an animal companion that has perished.
A druid of 4th level or higher may select from alternative lists of animals (see below). Should she select an animal companion from one of these alternative lists, the creature gains abilities as if the character’s druid level were lower than it actually is. Subtract the value indicated in the appropriate list header from the character’s druid level and compare the result with the druid level entry on the table to determine the animal companion’s powers. (If this adjustment would reduce the druid’s effective level to 0 or lower, she can’t have that animal as a companion.)

THE DRUID’S ANIMAL COMPANION
A druid’s animal companion is different from a normal animal of its kind in many ways. The companion is treated as a magical beast, not an animal, for the purpose of all effects that depend on its type (though it retains an animal’s HD, base attack bonus, saves, skill points, and feats). It is superior to a normal animal of its kind and has special powers, as described below.

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Class Level 	HD 	AC 	Str/Dex Adj.	Tricks 	Special	
1st-2nd +0 +0 +0 1 Link, share spells
3rd-5th +2 +2 +1 2 Evasion
6th-8th +4 +4 +2 3 Devotion
9th-11th +6 +6 +3 4 Multiattack
12th-14th +8 +8 +4 5
15th-17th +10 +10 +5 6 Improved evasion
18th-20th +12 +12 +6 7

Animal Companion Basics: Use the base statistics for a creature of the companion’s kind, but make the following changes.
Class Level: The character’s druid level. The druid’s class levels stack with levels of any other classes that are entitled to an animal companion for the purpose of determining the companion’s abilities and the alternative lists available to the character.
Bonus HD: Extra eight-sided (d8) Hit Dice, each of which gains a Constitution modifier, as normal. Remember that extra Hit Dice improve the animal companion’s base attack and base save bonuses. An animal companion’s base attack bonus is the same as that of a druid of a level equal to the animal’s HD. An animal companion has good Fortitude and Reflex saves (treat it as a character whose level equals the animal’s HD). An animal companion gains additional skill points and feats for bonus HD as normal for advancing a monster’s Hit Dice.
Natural Armor Adj.: The number noted here is an improvement to the animal companion’s existing natural armor bonus.
Str/Dex Adj.: Add this value to the animal companion’s Strength and Dexterity scores.
Bonus Tricks: The value given in this column is the total number of “bonus” tricks that the animal knows in addition to any that the druid might choose to teach it (see the Handle Animal skill). These bonus tricks don’t require any training time or Handle Animal checks, and they don’t count against the normal limit of tricks known by the animal. The druid selects these bonus tricks, and once selected, they can’t be changed.
Link (Ex): A druid can handle her animal companion as a free action, or push it as a move action, even if she doesn’t have any ranks in the Handle Animal skill. The druid gains a +4 circumstance bonus on all wild empathy checks and Handle Animal checks made regarding an animal companion.
Share Spells (Ex): At the druid’s option, she may have any spell (but not any spell-like ability) she casts upon herself also affect her animal companion. The animal companion must be within 5 feet of her at the time of casting to receive the benefit. If the spell or effect has a duration other than instantaneous, it stops affecting the animal companion if the companion moves farther than 5 feet away and will not affect the animal again, even if it returns to the druid before the duration expires.
Additionally, the druid may cast a spell with a target of “You” on her animal companion (as a touch range spell) instead of on herself. A druid and her animal companion can share spells even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the companion’s type (animal).
Evasion (Ex): If an animal companion is subjected to an attack that normally allows a Reflex saving throw for half damage, it takes no damage if it makes a successful saving throw.
Devotion (Ex): An animal companion gains a +4 morale bonus on Will saves against enchantment spells and effects.
Multiattack: An animal companion gains Multiattack as a bonus feat if it has three or more natural attacks and does not already have that feat. If it does not have the requisite three or more natural attacks, the animal companion instead gains a second attack with its primary natural weapon, albeit at a -5 penalty.
Improved Evasion (Ex): When subjected to an attack that normally allows a Reflex saving throw for half damage, an animal companion takes no damage if it makes a successful saving throw and only half damage if the saving throw fails.

ALTERNATIVE ANIMAL COMPANIONS
A druid of sufficiently high level can select her animal companion from one of the following lists, applying the indicated adjustment to the druid’s level (in parentheses) for purposes of determining the companion’s characteristics and special abilities.

4th Level or Higher (Level -3)
Ape (animal)
Bear, black (animal)
Bison (animal)
Boar (animal)
Cheetah (animal)
Crocodile (animal)*
Dire badger
Dire bat
Dire weasel
Leopard (animal)
Lizard, monitor (animal)
Shark, Large* (animal)
Snake, constrictor (animal)
Snake, Large viper (animal)
Wolverine (animal)

7th Level or Higher (Level -6)
Bear, brown (animal)
Dire wolverine
Crocodile, giant (animal)
Deinonychus (dinosaur)
Dire ape
Dire boar
Dire wolf
Elasmosaurus* (dinosaur)
Lion (animal)
Rhinoceros (animal)
Snake, Huge viper (animal)
Tiger (animal)

10th Level or Higher (Level -9)
Bear, polar (animal)
Dire lion
Megaraptor (dinosaur)
Shark, Huge* (animal)
Snake, giant constrictor (animal)
Whale, orca* (animal)

13th Level or Higher (Level -12)
Dire bear
Elephant (animal)
Octopus, giant* (animal)

16th Level or Higher (Level -15)
Dire shark*
Dire tiger
Squid, giant* (animal)
Triceratops (dinosaur)
Tyrannosaurus (dinosaur)

*Available only in an aquatic environment.



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I'm not saying he should have allowed the infinite attacks.... just that I felt like arguing he should and if he did that would have been fun. And he also likes to get technical with rules sometimes (when it's in his favor, naturally), so it was fun to point out that the rules actually didn't say (not that we could find, anyways) that you can't trip a prone person.

Sadly, it was one of the more sane arguments our party had with him. Sometimes he was crazy, sometimes we were, but someone loud was always crazy.

"Ah, you tried to hit the dragon with the spear, but you missed, and you threw the spear 45 degrees off your intended target, and you hit your friend, perfectly."
"But.... by the way you've done this, I would have been better off aiming at my friend to hit the dragon... this is stupid."
"That's the problem with throwing into melee."
I then threw a die at him, except I threw it into his kitchen...

BTW, I'm not trying to give the impression he's any less than a great DM... we just happen to have run into a number of disagreements, mainly due to my sudden death by seeminly unfair circumstances. Damn that happened a lot....

I did NOT like that the druids book contradicted the players handbook without any sort of explanation... they just seems to change the rules without commenting on it. In the players it says a druid can have a creatures with hit dice up to his own, and in the druid's book hit dice up to half his own. Lame.

Just for the record, I am not a min/maxer. I played a jester once because I thought it'd be fun to be a jester.. it wasn't until much later that I realized, sure, I get fireball a few xp after the wizard, but once I do I cast it better than he does. Damn that's funny. Joe was our min/maxer... and through dumb luck my character could always kick his ass. cfalcon can tell you all about "the door", and its unforseen uses in a duel if he chooses. Or the emerald armor...

Interesting to see the changes to animal companion, though. I'm pleased to see they realized they'd made a mistake by making the druid a reasonably powerful character, and put him back into his place of suck-ass. [Frown] It'd be awful the druid were anything other than moral support and some healing for real character classes.

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Heh, funny you should mention that, because druids are actually stronger all around now than in 3.0. Their wild shape is improved, and now they can lose prepared spells to cast summon nature's ally spells of the same level instead, just like a cleric can spontaneously cast cure spells.

Most of the reason they made the druid and cleric more powerful was because they actually wanted players to desire such a class as a means of rewarding whoever chose to be the party band-aid. Back in AD&D players often had to draw straws or flip coins to determine at random who got stuck with the Priest roll in the party.

And actually, Anthrax was mildly interested in joining the campaign some time ago, but we haven't gotten around to sweet talking him into actually starting a character until now. He's going to be running a fighter/Rogue that's flavor-wise based around the concept of a nonlawful monk.

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quote:
Originally posted by Automaton:
Heh, funny you should mention that, because druids are actually stronger all around now than in 3.0. Their wild shape is improved, and now they can lose prepared spells to cast summon nature's ally spells of the same level instead, just like a cleric can spontaneously cast cure spells.

Excellent... perhaps one day the grandson my druid will come to power, and continue the dream of destroying all civilization.

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I personally think the spontaneous SNA thing was to counteract the fact that Druids no longer have the jumanji effect with their companions. Now you can have your main companion and burn an inordinately large amount of unnecessary spell slots to have a varitable zoo/herd of fucking lions-and-tigers-and-bears-oh-my.

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quote:
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Excellent... perhaps one day the grandson my druid will come to power, and continue the dream of destroying all civilization.

No Tarrasque for you. Its intelligence was increased by 1, making it untamable.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sonuis:
quote:
Originally posted by Zem:
Excellent... perhaps one day the grandson my druid will come to power, and continue the dream of destroying all civilization.

No Tarrasque for you. Its intelligence was increased by 1, making it untamable.
Not sure about 2e dnd, but in 3.0 and beyond the Terrasque always had an int of 3. Which is like, rock bottom stupid.
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quote:
Originally posted by Automaton:
quote:
Originally posted by Sonuis:
quote:
Originally posted by Zem:
Excellent... perhaps one day the grandson my druid will come to power, and continue the dream of destroying all civilization.

No Tarrasque for you. Its intelligence was increased by 1, making it untamable.
Not sure about 2e dnd, but in 3.0 and beyond the Terrasque always had an int of 3. Which is like, rock bottom stupid.
And Auto wins, ah well.
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