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MK
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posted 05-20-2003 09:04 PM
Really good episode. They left it open at the end so they can do anything else if they ever wanted to, like do a movie deal, etc...
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Still sad that Spike died. But, he was finally human again, so he didn't have to die a monster and he did manage to save them all, still bitter sweet...
Did anyone else watch it?
Discuss...
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posted 05-21-2003 08:58 AM
Meh. It was satisfactory, but I still didn't enjoy it too much.
There were several things that didn't sit well with me.
1. The Uber-vamps. The first one to appear was all "GRRR! RRRRR! I r invncibl!", and mighty difficult to kill. The ones we saw in the Hellmouth seemed as easy to kill as a regular vampire. The only thing I can think of that would explain this is that the first UV was just one serious badass.
2. The SITs becoming Slayers. The hell? This brought back memories of Digimon Adventure 02. I hated that ending. Having everyone become a Slayer just didn't sit well with me. I understand the reasoning behind it, and that it was a vital story thing, but I still don't like it much.
3. Everyone splitting up. Couldn't they just set things up so that the vamps couldn't get anywhere without encountering sunlight? And what harm would a few of them getting out do? They'd most likely just end up having to stay in the school to avoid the sun.
4. Anya. Whoever decided to have her die, damn you. DAMN YOU! Kill off that black guy, kill off Faith (who was given some shitty lines, BTW), kill off a bunch of the n00b Slayers. I don't care about them.
5. The First. All it did was taunt and intimidate. It could have done so much more than it did.
6. Caleb. He came out of nowhere, and I'm still confused. Crazy preacher boy.
7. Willow's new girlfriend. I wanted her to die. I HOPED she would die. I WISHED she would die. I WANTED her to die. She still lived. Damn.
8. Buffy's injury. At first, she collapses and seems helpless. Then she gets a little conversation in, and for some reason, NONE OF THE VAMPIRES REALIZE SHE'S VULNERABLE. A few minutes later, she's all fine and dandy.
9. Spike. He died. Yet it seems it's comfirmed that he will be appearing on the Buffy spinoff, Angel. But he died. Considering he was a vampire, he technically died TWICE. And he's still coming back. When they hell are they gonna stop bringing back every non-Anya person who dies?
There were still plenty of moments that I loved, like the original Scooby Gang talking about what the would do tomorrow, the little D&D game scene, Buffy and Spike's final moments, etc. But it still left something to be desired.
Of course, I'm a bit biased on this. I'm a fan of the series. I grew up with it. I wouldn't be completey satisfied with it, no matter HOW the episode went.
Goodbye, Buffy. I'll miss you. Congrats on finally getting the chance to have a normal life.
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posted 05-21-2003 10:26 AM
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3. Everyone splitting up. Couldn't they just set things up so that the vamps couldn't get anywhere without encountering sunlight? And what harm would a few of them getting out do? They'd most likely just end up having to stay in the school to avoid the sun.
Since the people who split up weren't slayers and weren't going to be endowed with the slayer power, they had no place in the hellmouth.
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4. Anya. Whoever decided to have her die, damn you. DAMN YOU! Kill off that black guy, kill off Faith (who was given some shitty lines, BTW), kill off a bunch of the n00b Slayers. I don't care about them.
Anya sucked, she's sucked since she first came to the series and she needed to die two episodes after being introduced. Her only saving grace in the entire series was the bunny thing at the end.
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5. The First. All it did was taunt and intimidate. It could have done so much more than it did.
The first cracked a comment that it needed its army to clear the world then it would come back and rule over earth. No physical body, etc etc.
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6. Caleb. He came out of nowhere, and I'm still confused. Crazy preacher boy.
Had some of the firsts power, didn't die to the belly slash and got up.
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8. Buffy's injury. At first, she collapses and seems helpless. Then she gets a little conversation in, and for some reason, NONE OF THE VAMPIRES REALIZE SHE'S VULNERABLE. A few minutes later, she's all fine and dandy.
Yeah a bunch of slayers are just chilling out and killing all their buddies first thing on my mind is to finish off the wounded when a ton of healthy ass kickers are around me.
The DnD thing was funny. Who was that red headed girl with the short hair that was kicking so much ass in the hellmouth?
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posted 05-21-2003 12:04 PM
Since the people who split up weren't slayers and weren't going to be endowed with the slayer power, they had no place in the hellmouth.
Yes, but that still doesn't mean they couldn't have stayed together, NEAR the Hellmouth, to take out anything that might escape.
Anya sucked, she's sucked since she first came to the series and she needed to die two episodes after being introduced. Her only saving grace in the entire series was the bunny thing at the end.
Anya had plenty of good scenes throughout the series. But meh, opinions...
The first cracked a comment that it needed its army to clear the world then it would come back and rule over earth. No physical body, etc etc.
Yeah, the First lacked a physical body and wouldn't be able to do anything physical. That still doesn't change the fact that it could've been more aggressive, done more killing, etc. Hell, Caleb could've easily killed Buffy and co. before she got her new weapon and started that "Let's make everyone a Slayer now" thing.
Had some of the firsts power, didn't die to the belly slash and got up.
Then took an axickle to the nuts and got split in half. I caught that part, and the previous episode. I'm pretty sure the questions I have on him are mentioned sometime, when I wasn't paying attention.
Yeah a bunch of slayers are just chilling out and killing all their buddies first thing on my mind is to finish off the wounded when a ton of healthy ass kickers are around me.
There were still more of them rushing into the fight. I would be satisfied if at least ONE of them was shown trying to rush in at her while she was down.
Who was that red headed girl with the short hair that was kicking so much ass in the hellmouth?
I'm looking around to find out. I'll post when I do.
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posted 05-21-2003 02:05 PM
The red-head was named Vi, and she was one of the first SITs introduced.
Overall, the ending was okay. It was a shitty, shitty season, so I didn't expect too much from the finale. All of the cool/important shit that happened during the season was ignored so the Potentials and Spike could have more screentime. They ignored the core Scooby group.
Some of the important shit that they ignored:
Beljox's Eye. Anya and Giles didn't even mention it after they got back, and its prophecy explained why the First was allowed to show up in the first(ha!) place.
Joyce. A VERY important guest appearance, one which could have made Dawn a good character this season, was ignored. Dawn got pushed out of the way for more screentime with the annoying Potentials, Wood, and pussy-whipped Spike.
Cool stuff they could have done, but didn't:
Anya's episode, "Selfless", opened up a bunch of doors so she could have some better character development. Didn't happen, and it sucks because she was one of my favourites.
Willow, the not-so-Uber witch. They came up with contrived and irritating reasons for her not to do any magic, which pissed me off, since she is my all-time favourite character. After the season 6 magical crack-whore storyline, she deserved better.
They totally wasted Giles and Xander this season too. Xander has been pretty worthless since season 4, and also deserved better than what he got. Giles was also wasted as a guest star and they completely changed his character for no reason.
"Back to the beginning". The First's statement at the beginning of the season gave me much hope, but the writer's didn't follow through.
Okay, rant over.
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posted 05-21-2003 02:50 PM
Yes, but that still doesn't mean they couldn't have stayed together, NEAR the Hellmouth, to take out anything that might escape.
Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
Caleb could've easily killed Buffy and co. before she got her new weapon and started that "Let's make everyone a Slayer now" thing.
Caleb was a puppet, The First knew he would take her, but whats the point of killing off your one threat who hadn't stood much of a chance prior to the weapon being found.
The whole lets make everyone a slayer thing happend after Caleb was killed IIRC.
Then took an axickle to the nuts and got split in half.
Nice way to open the last episode I thought.
There were still more of them rushing into the fight.
More uber vamps but not more slayers, all of the slayers were on the top of the cliff looking down at that time. And as for them rushing to help, the odds weren't in their favor, none of the slayers/SiT's ran to help anyone that got taken down.
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posted 05-21-2003 05:32 PM
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Then took an axickle to the nuts and got split in half.
Nice way to open the last episode I thought.
Even though it was clearly more of the same man-hating nonsense that they've been throwing at us for the last half of the season. From finding out that the Slayer line was created by having three guys practically rape some random girl to the whole Caleb thing, what was once a strong feminist message became male bashing. The split-from-the-nuts-up was largely unnecessary.
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posted 05-21-2003 05:47 PM
I sadly missed a few episodes. I only recently got into Buffy a season or two ago...
Anyway, what did the Beljox's Eye have to say?
And does anyone remember when Buffy's dead mom comes back and talks to Dawn, assuming it really was there mom, which I think it was...
She said "when the time comes, Buffy won't choose you"
What was that supposed to mean? Did they just never address that?
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posted 05-21-2003 05:55 PM
Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
Why not? There were basically two scenarios.
In the first one, the Ubervamps were killing off the Slayers. In this scenario, the UVs are rushing from the Hellmouth, thus overruning the non-Slayer folk outside, forcing them to rely on sunlight to do their killing.
In the second, the Slayers were doing most of the killing. In this scenario, the majority of the vamps are dying, and only a few manage to sneak out. If the non-Slayers were close, they could work together and kill them all. This would be an especially helpful setup for people like Andrew, who have no place in a fight.
Caleb was a puppet, The First knew he would take her, but whats the point of killing off your one threat who hadn't stood much of a chance prior to the weapon being found.
By that logic, what's the point of having the Bringers kill off potential Slayers? If/when Buffy died, then one of them would become the new Slayer, so the First killed them to prevent this. The First has obviously shown that it has no problem with killing off someone who's helpless.
The whole lets make everyone a slayer thing happend after Caleb was killed IIRC.
Yep. Caleb died, Buffy and Angel spoke, Buffy went home and slept in Spike's room, the First appeared in Caleb form and taunted her, the First changed into Buffy and repeated the little prophecy-thingy from the first intros, then Buffy got her idea.
Caleb still could've killed her before she found the weapon and became a threat to him.
More uber vamps but not more slayers, all of the slayers were on the top of the cliff looking down at that time. And as for them rushing to help, the odds weren't in their favor, none of the slayers/SiT's ran to help anyone that got taken down.
Meh. You win that one.
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posted 05-21-2003 08:25 PM
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I sadly missed a few episodes. I only recently got into Buffy a season or two ago...
Anyway, what did the Beljox's Eye have to say?
It said that the First was able to intervene in the world because Buffy came back from the dead.
And does anyone remember when Buffy's dead mom comes back and talks to Dawn, assuming it really was there mom, which I think it was...
The episode was "Conversations With Dead People", one of the only good ones this season.
She said "when the time comes, Buffy won't choose you"
What was that supposed to mean? Did they just never address that?
The writer's glossed over it because they didn't seem to, you know, consult each other on anything that happened this season.
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posted 05-22-2003 12:25 AM
ugh
yet another thread about a show with hot women in it and no pix
shameful
however I am too lazy to do anything about it
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