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ceoalex316
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posted 04-30-2003 02:32 PM
I get confused from time to time, but now I decide to make a topic so that I could straighten something out.
For some reason people think Israel is responsible for Palestine’s peoples suffering. Didn’t Clinton try to give Palestine its own country? No one thinks its clear that all Palestinians want is to take over all of Israel? Anyone here believe they are entitled to all of Israel?
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The Muffin King
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posted 04-30-2003 02:41 PM
I can't remember right off the top of my head, but I think Israel took over the West Bank and Gaza Strip, thus making what was left of Palestine, Israel.
Are the Palestinians entitled to all of Israel? In my view, maybe. They were an established country, and then the U.N. intervened, but they should learn to get along. I don't think that Israelies however, have the right to just roll in and take over everything.
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posted 04-30-2003 03:10 PM
I don't think I've ever cared less about an important conflict.
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Boodabonzi
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posted 04-30-2003 05:06 PM
Now this is not racist or even on topic. But in a war of the religions Islam would wipe the floor with Judaism.
Who would win out of Christians and Muslems though?
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ceoalex316
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posted 04-30-2003 05:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by The Muffin King:
I can't remember right off the top of my head, but I think Israel took over the West Bank and Gaza Strip, thus making what was left of Palestine, Israel.
Are the Palestinians entitled to all of Israel? In my view, maybe. They were an established country, and then the U.N. intervened, but they should learn to get along. I don't think that Israelies however, have the right to just roll in and take over everything.
They didn't just roll in and take over everything. They wanted to live in peace with the Palestinians. No body liked the fact that they were there so they started a war to take over all of Israel. I would think that Palestinians would respect the fact that Israel is the holy ground for the Jewish people, but they won't because they are racist or their religion isn’t so holy because they won’t tolerate anyone different. Anyway you look at it; the start of the war to get rid of Israelis was an act of racism.
They lost their stupid Anti-Jew war. Starting the war wasn’t right, you can not let in a few thousand Jews and then decide they should leave by force. And if you were to justify the war, you can certainly justify Israel taking West Bank and Gaza Strip as spoils of war.
If you put all that in the past, there is no way you can justify terrorism. Israel said a million times that it would except a Palestinian state if they just stop bombing their people. They shouldn’t even do that because giving into terrorism is the worst thing any country could do.
Hopefully now that the old leader of Palestine is gone the new one will establish a Palestinian state and live in peace with Israelis.
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posted 04-30-2003 06:40 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Boodabonzi:
Now this is not racist or even on topic. But in a war of the religions Islam would wipe the floor with Judaism.
Who would win out of Christians and Muslems though?
true.
but i am not sure about christians vs muslims.
christian holy wars aren't as common it seems, so we're out of practice.
(just kidding by the way.)
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posted 04-30-2003 06:47 PM
Israel was taken from the Palestinians and given to the Jews. Wouldn't it piss you off if your land was seized by a foreign country and given to a third party without your consent? I'd be angry.
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ceoalex316
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posted 04-30-2003 07:39 PM
I would be mad at the foreign country, not the Jews. They just want a place to live without religious persecution.
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posted 04-30-2003 08:43 PM
10k Lax: Israel was taken from the Palestinians and given to the Jews.
Muffin: Are the Palestinians entitled to all of Israel? In my view, maybe. They were an established country, and then the U.N. intervened
Actually, no. Before the UN came in with Partition, the area was owned by Great Britain. Before that, it was controlled by the Ottoman Empire. "Palestine" hadn't been an independent country since before the Romans, and then it was Jewish-controlled, not Arab.
The Partition plan stated that there would be two Palestinian states: one Arab, one Jewish. However, five Arab countries promptly invaded the Jewish state (Israel), but ended up losing. Israel ended up with the Jewish territory plus quite a bit of the Arabs', with Egypt and Jordan taking the rest (West Bank and Gaza Strip), which Israel took over in the 1967 war.
On a related note, it's actually very misleading to simply refer to the Arabs in the area as "Palestinians". It gives the false impression that they have more claim to the area than the Jews. A better way would be "Arab-Palestinians" as opposed to "Israeli-Palestinians" or "Jewish-Palestinians", since a Palestinian is anybody from the area formerly known as the British Mandate of Palestine (1917-1948). (During that time, it was the Jewish residents of the area who were called "Palestinians".)
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posted 04-30-2003 09:11 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Boodabonzi:
Now this is not racist or even on topic. But in a war of the religions Islam would wipe the floor with Judaism.
Who would win out of Christians and Muslems though?
Christianity: 2,000,000,000 people, mostly with advanced weaponry. The majority of them are out of practice when it comes to warfare.
Islam: 1,000,000,000 people, with comparatively primitive weaponry. However, they are more ferocious and prepared for war than the other team.
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posted 05-01-2003 07:41 AM
My dad is Persian(Iranian) so I am taught hate from an early age. He says,
1.) Isreal did steal Arab land.
2.) Technically it belongs to Arabs and Allah's children.
3.) The jews opress the Arabs. It should be the other way round.
4.) It takes a lot of balls to use a tank to slaughter people than it does to blow yourself up into pieces.
5.) If Isreal was pwned the middle east would be better of. Slightly anyways.
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posted 05-01-2003 07:43 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Boodabonzi:
Now this is not racist or even on topic. But in a war of the religions Islam would wipe the floor with Judaism.
Who would win out of Christians and Muslems though?
Well, the Arabs not only beat the shit out of the Crusaders, but they took out the Mongols as well..
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Mr.E
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posted 05-01-2003 06:34 PM
That was because they were smrtr and had invented guns already.
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posted 05-01-2003 08:25 PM
Gonk: And in the twentieth century, Arabs have repeatedly gotten the shit beat out of them. Shall we go down the laundry list?
1914-1918: Non-Turkish provinces of the Ottoman Empire are overrun by the British.
1932: Iraqi rebellion put down by the British.
1948: Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, and Jordan get their asses handed to them in the Israeli War of Independence.
1956: Egypt gets SPNAK declared on it by Britain, France, and Israel in the Sinai campaign.
1967: Egypt, Syria, and Jordan get their asses handed to them for a third time by the Israelis in the Six-Day War.
1973: To continue the previous trend, Egypt and Syria get SPNAK declared on them again by Israel in the Yom Kippur War.
1980-1988: Iraq cannot defeat the "Persian highland barbarians" despite the fact that the Shah had fallen and chaos generally ruled.
1991: Saddam gets kicked in the balls by the US in Operation Desert Storm.
2003: Saddam once more gets kicked in the balls by the US in Operation Iraqi Freedom.
There's a reason why Arabic newspapers can't shut up about the shame and humiliation in the Arab world. They haven't won a major military conflict against a foriegn nation in...well...a century.
Given that this one of my more favorable fields of study. Being a Political Science major does have its perks. I'll weigh in later with some real analysis. After I finish my paper for the class I'm taking on this exact same subject.
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posted 05-01-2003 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by Boodabonzi:
Who would win out of Christians and Muslems though?
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posted 05-02-2003 12:40 AM
An interesting parrallel is that the Palestinians (the Arab ones, I suppose I'll clarify) had a claim on the land by *being* there. It was the English who "owned" the land... similar to the American Indian situation.
Not quite the same, given that both Arabs and Jews have walked those sands from time immemorial, but politically it's pretty similar- evils of imperialism.
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