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sporkcore
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or are supervillians much stronger then superheros. i mean, it takes the fantastic four (4 people) to stop someone like doctor doom (1 person), it takes all the x-men to beat magneto (which makes me wonder how they beat the brotherhood of evil mutants, unless they all were weak ass mutants), except for spider-man, who takes out supervillians by himself.

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It's just you.

And this guy; [This Guy]

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Artists don’t feel like making up 4 different villains to fight the fantastic 4 all the time. So they just make one that is really powerful.
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Shhhhhh......
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Superman proves you wrong.
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quote:
Originally posted by ceoalex316:
Artists don’t feel like making up 4 different villains to fight the fantastic 4 all the time. So they just make one that is really powerful.

Off the top of my head, I can name at least 8 Spider-Man villians:

Hobgoblin
Green Goblin
Doctor Octopussy
The Scorpion
Carnage
Venom
The Shocker
Mysterio
Elecktro
The Vulture
Kraven
and possibly Dr. Doom

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posted 04-22-2003 04:17 PM      Profile for sporkcore   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
superman also has to call on the justice league for so many villians. he's a punk that gets lucky.

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He just needs them there to get rid of the Kryptonite.
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Yea, I'm gonna go with pk here. Superman is basically a Greek god setup. He's immortal and unbelievably powerful, and he's good to an inhuman degree.

The rest of DC's dudes are basically shitty variants with Kryptonite removal tasks.

As for the Goku picture, though I haven't seen all of DBZ, I have noticed that Goku's challengers tend to be stronger than him at the start (I think that Garlic Jr. guy might not have been, relying on cunning instead).

But Superman still gets put against Apocalypse and stuff like that, right?

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Green Lantern is by far, the most powerful superhero evar. If you don't believe me, read the Ion or Parallax series. They border on God like powers.

Lobo is by far, the most badass superhero (is he considered a hero?)evar. If you don't believe me, just look at this cover:



He's hired by the friggin' Easter Bunny to kill Santa. Seriously, that rocks.

And the Green Arrow is the worst idea for a superhero evar. I'm not gonna bother discussing him.

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Superman is the worst superhero ever. He's a mindless goody-goody that has no flaws and is about as dull as they come.

Plus, Batman kicked his ass worse than he did to Wesley Willis.

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pkthunder
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Oh my God, you guys bitch endlessly that chicks never go with nice guys, and here you are worshipping the ass-kicking, dark, depressing, my-problems-are-bigger-than-yours asshole superheroes.
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Actually, I think that they're idea of a "nice guy" is one that is incapable of pimpin', which is what most of them are.
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Villians often work alone because they frequently have traits that make it tough for them to cooperate with others. And they're powerful because it's harder to create tension if the heroes can kick their asses. But of course there are all kinds, and they sometimes team up productively. And many heroes work best alone.

cf: Superman is basically a Greek god setup. He's immortal and unbelievably powerful, and he's good to an inhuman degree.

You seem not to have read many Greek myths.

The rest of DC's dudes are basically shitty variants with Kryptonite removal tasks.

You seem not to have read many comic books.

(Okay, okay, I said no more Mr. Mean, but either you're trolling or, and I mean this as good-naturedly as possible, you don't know what you're talking about.)

TMK: Green Lantern is by far, the most powerful superhero evar.

Those were unusual circumstances. GLs are really powerful, but at baseline level there are bigger guns out there.

Lobo's pretty much the biggest badass by definition.

Thrax: Superman is the worst superhero ever.

He easily has the highest ratio (i.e. undeservedly) of name recognition to: (a) interesting powers, (b) interesting villians, (c) interesting personality or motivation, (d) likable supporting cast.

Plus, Batman kicked his ass worse than he did to Wesley Willis.

I'm done talking. Get out of my cave.

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quote:
Originally posted by pkthunder:
Oh my God, you guys bitch endlessly that chicks never go with nice guys, and here you are worshipping the ass-kicking, dark, depressing, my-problems-are-bigger-than-yours asshole superheroes.

We still don't want chicks to go out with them, what is your point?
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I think she's trying to say that if even dorks on an internet forum are idolizing them, it's pretty much expected that the honeys will be all over 'em too.
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Spiderman's still the funnest superhero of them all.

The Jedi are the coolest.

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Where are all the woman superheroes? Since Wonder Woman, no one has been able to reach her popularity.

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Pah, Iron Man can beat the shit out of them all

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Just what the hell is Apocalypse? I found Spiderman/Xmen: Arcades Revenge and Funcoland, and I battled Apoc' as Wolverine. He's blue, jumped around, and his arm could extend to punch me.

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Apocalypse is a couple thousand year old mutant with the ability to change shape and control his density. easily one of the strongest villians around...as well as one of cable's arch enemies (he seems to have a bunch of those)

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quote:
Originally posted by cfalcon:
...As for the Goku picture...

That's Trunks...

[ 04-23-2003, 03:35 PM: Message edited by: Slade_64 ]

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What about Maximum Carnage...???

Now THAT'S a Villain.

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Venom was cool, but he was just too damn freaky. Who in their right mind would start singing show tunes when they're plotting to stab someone in the back? Carnage was much cooler. He was also insane, but the "I'm-gonna-rip-yer-head-off-an-shit-down-yer-neck" thing was just too good. Also, if anyone reads Jack (very good webcomic), some of those good guys kick ass. Reckonin, basically a warrior angel, kicks everyone in an entire stadium's ass. And Drip is just too good. I can't wait for Jack to end, since Dave said he'd start a Drip comic.

Finally, one word: Hellboy.

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I think it should be emphasized that GLs have the strongest weapons in the univers; but the strength of their rings is determinant on the discipline of the user. The only thing that checks the ring's power is the potential of the user wielding it. The reason that Hal was/is the strongest GL was because of his iron will/discipline.

This debate was argued exaustively on the Nintendo Street Team last year :

In fight, who would win -- Spiderman or Batman? Discuss.

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quote:
Originally posted by 10,000Lb.Snorlax:
I think it should be emphasized that GLs have the strongest weapons in the univers; but the strength of their rings is determinant on the discipline of the user. The only thing that checks the ring's power is the potential of the user wielding it. The reason that Hal was/is the strongest GL was because of his iron will/discipline.

Right, but remember, Hal eventually went insane as Parallax. Granted he was still a good guy (as demonstrated in the end) but he did go bananas. It disappointed me how easy it was for Kyle to switch from the Green Lantern to The Ion. Sure was powerful though.

quote:

This debate was argued exaustively on the Nintendo Street Team last year :

In fight, who would win -- Spiderman or Batman? Discuss.

Depends, does Batman have the jet/butler/Robin with him? If so, I say Batman. One on one, Spidey.
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Batman would win against anyone if he had time to prepare. He even has stuff prepared in advance to take out superheroes in case the situation arises (I think he got kicked out of the Justice League because he knew all of their weaknesses and could kill them all). Batman can dump enough money into a plan to kill anyone.

If Batman knew he was going to fight Spiderman he'd invent something that would dissolve the web and would interfere with Spidey's spider-sense.

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The Muffin King
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True, but assuming that Batman didn't have time, I'd go with Spidey. Afterall, Batman's strength is in his intelligence, not his acutal combat ability.

Did they ever fight in the Marvel vs D.C. cross over thing a few years back? Or was that Batman and Wolverine?

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They fought in the crossover thing, I think Spiderman won.
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Thanos wins.
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Spidey is the man, even though I didn't like the movie. The best comic of all time is when he's taking on the Juggernaut and keeps getting beat down but keep on trying.

The Authority is pretty damn hardcore too.

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It was Batman v Captain America IIRC. I'm pretty sure The Man of Bat won, because Batman wins hands down against most opponents because he fights dirty. REAL DIRTY. He also is a master detective and has superhuman craftiness. He created his own protocols against his own teammates, just in case they were to ever go rouge. Of course they were stolen and they were used against the JLA. That certainly didn't help PlasticMan after he was shattered into a million pieces.

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how can anyone say that GL has the most powerful weapon in the universe? his weakness was yellow!!!!!!! you could beat him down with a wiffle ball bat!!!!!!! not to mention the original green lantern's weakness was wood...

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Pikachu > DC/Marvel Universe!!!!

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only if it's ash's magical pikachu. that thing can take out anything

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cfalcon: As for the Goku picture, though I haven't seen all of DBZ, I have noticed that Goku's challengers tend to be stronger than him at the start (I think that Garlic Jr. guy might not have been, relying on cunning instead).

*waits for some one to indirectly confirm that they have enough DBZ knowledge to make the correction that it's a picture of Future trunks, not Goku*

Oh, nuts.

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What good is a villain if he's not as strong or stronger than his good counterparts?

I mean, a man could be evil incarnate and be the most evil man in the universe, but if he's a 2-year-old cripple he isn't gonna be conquering or destroying anything aside from his underwear.

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I thought I posted in this thread but I guess I didn't.

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quote:
Originally posted by sporkcore:
how can anyone say that GL has the most powerful weapon in the universe? his weakness was yellow!!!!!!! you could beat him down with a wiffle ball bat!!!!!!! not to mention the original green lantern's weakness was wood...

Actually no, not anymore. He (Kyle Rainer) isn't weak to yellow.

And if the original weakness was wood...how'd he get...wood?

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