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Dav1dL
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posted 04-12-2003 04:33 AM
Basically you just post highly rated games you can't stand for some reason or another.
I'll start:
Metroid series - I don't care how many people disagree with me, I don't see whats good about runnning down a dreary, boring hall-way, shooting some bugs, shooting some bubble door with a rocket, rolling around, and repeating. Is this supposed to be fun? If so, how? How is it even remotely fun at all? Oh sure, the endings "cool", but I find the rest of the game so dumbtastically boring it's pointless.
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Psybro
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posted 04-12-2003 04:41 AM
BLACK AND WHITE
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Anthrax
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posted 04-12-2003 04:44 AM
Black and White was not a good game. Everyone pretty much agrees it was a failure and a disappointment.
I don't care for Halo. I don't understand why everyone thinks it's such a great game.
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cfalcon
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posted 04-12-2003 04:55 AM
Gran Turismo- Nothing about the GTs that I've played (and I haven't played the newest enough to call it "played" yet) struck me as pleasing. From play control that made me want to throw the controller down to a sense of speed inferior to what I can generate by jogging, the die hard fans of the series were something something I had to write off as a freakish domain, like men who like to wear women's underwear: Sure, it's harmless, and they have a right to it, but damnit, I don't want to hear nor think about it.
Tomb Raider- Nothing about this game pleased me.
Well, not nothing. But polygonal bazoogas never rated very high with me.
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Psybro
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posted 04-12-2003 04:56 AM
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Originally posted by Anthrax:
Black and White was not a good game. Everyone pretty much agrees it was a failure and a disappointment.
Try telling that to the entire fucking WORLD one month before the stupid game was released.
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Porygone
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posted 04-12-2003 07:22 AM
Gran Turismo. I struggled with the controls and never did very well.
Of course, I'm a very crappy driver IRL.
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Mr.E
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posted 04-12-2003 07:37 AM
Breath of Fire 2
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gruco
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posted 04-12-2003 08:23 AM
Final Fantasy 6, 7, 8, 10.
Breath of Fire 1-3
Skies of Arcadia
Resident Evil Series
Tomb Raider series
Dragon Force
GT
GTA
Conker's Bad Fur Day
Mario Kart 64
Blast Corps
Body Harvest
Suikoden series
Donkey Kong Country
Devil May Cry
Zelda: A Link to The Past
Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Shenmue
Super Mario RPG
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posted 04-12-2003 09:00 AM
GTA 3.
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Coxy
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posted 04-12-2003 09:16 AM
GTA3 was good for a while, then it degenerated into Mission: kill guy; Mission: steal car; rinse, repeat.
Anyway, the one that'll get me flames is Warcraft III. I'll play it at LANs, and I even beat^H^H^H^Hcame ahead of Cat-Gonk (the first FFA, anyway); but the newfangled RPGTS doesn't really do it for me.
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HolyOmeganAngel
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posted 04-12-2003 10:06 AM
wtf is Black and White? *is one of the untainted masses of this shit*
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posted 04-12-2003 10:10 AM
Metroid Prime
Legend Of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Mario Sunshine
GTA3 and VC
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posted 04-12-2003 03:38 PM
quote:
Originally posted by gruco:
Final Fantasy 6, 7, 8, 10.
Breath of Fire 1-3
Skies of Arcadia
Resident Evil Series
Tomb Raider series
Dragon Force
GT
GTA
Conker's Bad Fur Day
Mario Kart 64
Blast Corps
Body Harvest
Suikoden series
Donkey Kong Country
Devil May Cry
Zelda: A Link to The Past
Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Shenmue
Super Mario RPG
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calm....calm...no its not worth it...whew its gone. and I thought the metroid haters had almost pushed me over the edge.
for me it's GT and Morrowind. I really really tried to like them but it's not happening.
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posted 04-12-2003 03:43 PM
Counter Strike.
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MK
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posted 04-12-2003 03:47 PM
Luigi's Mansion
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Anthrax
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posted 04-12-2003 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by Psybro:
quote:
Originally posted by Anthrax:
Black and White was not a good game. Everyone pretty much agrees it was a failure and a disappointment.
Try telling that to the entire fucking WORLD one month before the stupid game was released.
How the fuck are people supposed to know a game sucks before it's released and they've had a chance to actually play it?
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Lark84
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posted 04-12-2003 04:00 PM
Advance Wars -it's like a more boring variant of chess
Strategy games in general -they're like a more boring variant of chess
I just can't (under)stand strategy games. Maybe it's because I suck at them, but strategy is so infuckingcredibly boring. I'd much rather blast through hairpin curves in my F9000 AG hovercraft or sneak through the grass looking for Pokémon than trying to predict where a half-decent AI is going to move it's tiny little tank icon.
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cfalcon
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posted 04-12-2003 04:34 PM
Luigi's Mansion
Highly rated games. I think the most glowing review of Luigi Mansion used the phrase "technical demo".
gruco doesn't like many games.
It seems to me like the flavor of this thread involves an explanation of why you don't like the game and doesn't focus on opposing arguments at all.
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Bowser
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posted 04-12-2003 05:00 PM
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Yeah, I know it was 1998 GotY, but it just didn't do anything for me. I really, really tried to like it, but I couldn't even bring myself to finish the Deku Tree.
The funny thing is, I have The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, and I love it. I can't stop playing it, and it really confuses me, since the battle system and the like is supposed to be just like OoT. I think it's because TWW is bursting with so much personality. I found OoT to be very bland, didn't do much for me. But TWW's animations and facial expressions, and the world itself are awesome.
I have the OoT/MQ Bonus Disc, still haven't opened it yet though. Maybe I'll feel different about it now, but I doubt it.
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pkthunder
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posted 04-12-2003 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by cfalcon:
It seems to me like the flavor of this thread involves an explanation of why you don't like the game and doesn't focus on opposing arguments at all.
This is a good flavor to have. Don't complain.
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PikachuThunder
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posted 04-12-2003 06:35 PM
San Francisco Rush - Next Generation was all like "*****" (5 stars) for the N64 version, and, well, I didn't like it too much in the arcade, but I thought maybe I'd have a better chance getting into it at home where I didn't have to feed quarters into it. I rented it, and basically, I realized I was right all along. I didn't think it was that great looking, I thought the music was awful, and overall, it just wasn't very fun for me.
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posted 04-12-2003 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by Anthrax:
I don't care for Halo. I don't understand why everyone thinks it's such a great game.
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starCaliber
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posted 04-12-2003 09:42 PM
there was this one game, it sold soooo fuckin well, it got like perfect 10's from mags, and then there were a bunch of websites about it to boot. god, it was the stupidest load of shit. right, so get this. you play a little 10 year old kid who lives with his mommy and you have to buy a bunch of balls...i mean, wtf? then they had 'ultra balls,' and 'master balls' and shit like that. it's not gay if the balls don't touch! sadly, you wear the balls around your belt and they DO touch and they probably touch a lot.
then you throw your balls at these goddam monster things that jump out at you and RANDOMLY CHALLENGE you everytime you send your little 10 year old miscreant through some grass that's more than 3 inches high. but wait wait, that's not even the best part. haha, yeah get this. the entire object of the game is to get as many of these fuckin annoying monsters caught in balls as you possibly can. they tell you there's 150, but shit, that's too easy. let's go ahead and program another one in that you can only get by cheating!
fuckin hated that game
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posted 04-12-2003 09:51 PM
Most of the Nintendo band wagon games : Zelda, Star Fox, Metroid. I didn't like any of them.
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Jman
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posted 04-12-2003 10:03 PM
Kingdom Hearts
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posted 04-12-2003 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by starCaliber:
there was this one game, it sold soooo fuckin well, it got like perfect 10's from mags, and then there were a bunch of websites about it to boot. god, it was the stupidest load of shit. right, so get this. you play a little 10 year old kid who lives with his mommy and you have to buy a bunch of balls...i mean, wtf? then they had 'ultra balls,' and 'master balls' and shit like that. it's not gay if the balls don't touch! sadly, you wear the balls around your belt and they DO touch and they probably touch a lot.
then you throw your balls at these goddam monster things that jump out at you and RANDOMLY CHALLENGE you everytime you send your little 10 year old miscreant through some grass that's more than 3 inches high. but wait wait, that's not even the best part. haha, yeah get this. the entire object of the game is to get as many of these fuckin annoying monsters caught in balls as you possibly can. they tell you there's 150, but shit, that's too easy. let's go ahead and program another one in that you can only get by cheating!
fuckin hated that game
oh yeah i remember that game
 
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posted 04-12-2003 10:30 PM
GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, CounterStrike. Yu-Gi-Oh! Dark Duel Stories, Eternal Duelist Soul, Forbidden Memories, Duelist of the Roses and Dungeon dice monsters, too. They suck. Especially since you can't see your little baby opponent cry when your Gemini Elf goes medieval on their heiny ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Basically, I hate FPSes. I mean, what exactly is the point? O.o; "OMG I HAVE TO SHOOT THIS GUY". Then, three minutes later, "OMG I HAVE TO SHOOT THIS GUY TOO"
Bo-ring.
Oh, and the "Team Iraq" thing was brilliant. Five stars for you, Bowser.
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Charmeleon42
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posted 04-12-2003 10:55 PM
Warcraft 3: I find WC3 to be vastly, vastly inferior to Starcraft. For starters, the graphics as they are make a glance at what's happening confusing and muddled.
Look at this pic for example. I mean wtf! What is happening? I can tell there's a bunch of units intersperced between a bunch of buildings, and it looks polished with eye candy and all, but I cant glance at it and quickly take a poll in my head of what units I have in my base here.
You can look at this picture, which is probably just about as busy of a base, but you can merely glance at it and say, "oh, SCV's wraiths and vultures."
Being able to tell what's happening easily, I think, should be an integral part in a good strategy game.
Plus the whole 'Your whole victory revolves around goddamn heroes' thing. Makes it kind of pointless-seeming to build units if they dont even matter. Maybe if Blizzard made it so you could have a 'Hero and Guys' army be balanced with a 'Guys' army, but... they didn't. It just ruins a lot of the fun when some level 10 shit can come up and eradicate my well placed meat wagon line, then teleport away or whatever. You just never have as cool battles.
Fighting Games in General: Marvel vs. Capcom 2, Capcom vs. SNK 2, and the rest. They don't seem that great. They dont seem that... skillful. Perhaps it takes skill to set up some jesus 500 hit combo or whatever and take off the whole of their life bar, but whats the other person to do? They cant do anything. This is the annoying part, because the games involving skilled people just revolve around who will set up the 500 hit combo first, and who will screw up and let the other guy do it first. It's not so much skill than luck.
At least Smash Bros makes it a little difficult to get gigantic combos, which will give the comboed a bit of a chance to come back and do something. Plus there are ways to get out of the combos.
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posted 04-12-2003 11:07 PM
you are just a noob at warcraft 3, so you don't like it.
i understand, if i sucked at warcraft 3 and had no idea wtf i was doing, had no micro, didn't know how to micro heroes, didn't like MORE STRATEGIES, i'd be like char42 as well. but then again he has played diablo2 for a few years and isn't even a top player. tells you something about Char42 and his skill in blizzard games.
starcraft is harder to tell whats' going on cuz it's a lot faster
you have NO IDEA WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ROFL
because there is a lot of graphics it's hard to tell whats going on? wtf are you talking about, i have been playing since the original beta, and this game is NOT difficult to tell what's going on
2nd you are NOT TOO SMART because that first pic is of a beta screenshot, and there is NOTHING GOING ON.
it's just an abomination sitting in an undead base....
wtf play the game before you comment like that char, you are being ignorant right now. and it's also zoomed in, which is what makes it kinda different from starcraft.
there are just units sitting around in a base and you can't tell? wtf char stop playing blizz games if you can't figure it out.
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You can look at this picture, which is probably just about as busy of a base, but you can merely glance at it and say, "oh, SCV's wraiths and vultures."
well, if you knew what the units were in warcraft 3 you could say "oh, a death knight, a black citadel and a few abominations.
you have the most baseless argument i have heard i my life.
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Plus the whole 'Your whole victory revolves around goddamn heroes' thing. Makes it kind of pointless-seeming to build units if they dont even matter
rofl ahahahahhaahaha. the idea of heroes expands strategy. you haven't played the game and you're cmmenting on it. i can tell you haven't played because of your comment.
lol
just go ahead and make one hero, it's not going to win you the game.
seriously play the game before complaining. please just don't be ignorant.
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Maybe if Blizzard made it so you could have a 'Hero and Guys' army be balanced with a 'Guys' army, but... they didn't. It just ruins a lot of the fun when some level 10 shit can come up and eradicate my well placed meat wagon line, then teleport away or whatever. You just never have as cool battles.
omfg you have no idea what you're talking about it's so funny.
you have no idea what you are talking about.
your entire argument is invalid and doesn't mean crap cuz you haven't played. thanks gg no re.
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At least Smash Bros makes it a little difficult to get gigantic combos, which will give the comboed a bit of a chance to come back and do something. Plus there are ways to get out of the combos.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you are saying SSB:M is a more skillful game than Fighters like Street Fighter Alpha 3? or Soul Calibur 2? or any guilty gear game?
char, my 9 year old sister can play SSB:M as good as anyone else. it is not a difficult game to get good at.
char the fact that you feel ssb:m is a deep techinical fighter that is skillful is just laughable.
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posted 04-12-2003 11:17 PM
Wait Mr. E! BoF2 was at least better than FF6 (IMO)! There is no vanish/doom in BoF2 and there is actually character variation! Gah!!!
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And bashing WC3 is unheard of, it has so much depth for an RTS that it is scary. It truly is a good game.
As for my good game that I hate, I have 2:
1. Lord of the Rings, The Two Towers, is a far inferior rip off of Dynasty Warriors 2-4.
2. Golden Sun is what you get when you take FF6 and add in about 4 hours of borings commentary.
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posted 04-13-2003 12:09 AM
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron. Tripping up those four-legged things on the snow level was fun, but it did not offer anything beyond that. Star Fox 64 is easily more fun.
Diablo 2. I tried it one with some friends. Apparently, they did not know what to do with a newb and shuttled me around to pointless shit. They quickly killed any fun I might have had with that game.
About Mario Sunshine- I REALLY meant to get around to collecting all the shines and blue coins. I really did. But then my GC died. And to think, I once spent an entire week just playing around in Bob-omb Battlefield. Just cause it was fun to play with water drops, and fly with the wing cap.
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posted 04-13-2003 12:36 AM
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Originally posted by EspeonNidoking:
char, my 9 year old sister can play SSB:M as good as anyone else. it is not a difficult game to get good at.
char the fact that you feel ssb:m is a deep techinical fighter that is skillful is just laughable.
Yeah, Char's a general shit-head, but he's right bout SSB:M EN. You don't know the game well enough to judge it as "easy." While it's simple to learn the game and enjoy it, SSB:M is a very good fighting game that requires a lot of skill to be competative at.
EDIT: That's not to say that it's better than Street Fighter or Soul Calibur, but it isn't as simplistic as you make it sound.
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posted 04-13-2003 03:09 AM
yeah, Smash is all balls. I play pretty much every fighting game ever (except for Tekken) and Smash takes as much skill as any of them.
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posted 04-13-2003 03:23 AM
the way Char makes it sound, he makes it sound like the competetive Professional level fighting games are easy.
SSB:M can be competetive, but i don't think it's nearly as difficult as some of those pro level games.
didn't mean to make it sound "kiddy" by saying my sister can play, but just proving a point that SSB:M is a game that nearly anyone can play and be decent at.
i don't think you can say that for some of the arcade fighting games. ;\
i will not debate this anymore since this is a decent topic and i don't wanna hijack it, but that's just what i have to say about that.
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posted 04-13-2003 03:50 AM
Yeah, I found it unfortunate that maybe a year ago people on this board were all into Super SFII. I know from experience that I can crush anyone in SSF2. It' really too bad that it's not my cpu that I use, and I couldn't play ANYone. I used to bet people from work that I could let them choose their player and MY player, and I would still beat them. I made $60 that way. Even with THawk vs. Chun Li.
Just a comment I suppose. If I remember what I was talking about I'll post again.
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posted 04-13-2003 04:52 AM
Well damn. I'll have to retype this since my computer fuxored.
Anyway, it's true that people can easily get 'decent' at SSB, but you can always gain a bit of skill and get really good. To analogy it... take... pokemon. You can get 'decent' at it, or you can learn all this insane crap and get skilled.
Also, I didn't expect to get such a post at my WC3 comment. I expected a ho-hum out of EN but ![[Embarrassed]](redface.gif)
I wanna defend myself a little bit though, kthx
but then again he has played diablo2 for a few years and isn't even a top player. tells you something about Char42 and his skill in blizzard games.
I played for a couple months as I got one Burizon to level 83 or something. Years, no. Show my skill, not really. The only skill in D2 is in character making anyway, from then on its' just point 'n click :/
seriously play the game before complaining. please just don't be ignorant.
Don't be ignorant and think I've never played it. Sure, I don't have it installed, and I don't own it, but I've played a few games, a watched a few games my friends played.
the idea of heroes expands strategy.
In one of the games I played with Ikuse, my general strategy was to starve his base and gold supplies out and set up a perimeter around him encampment to prevent him from getting any more funds. I managed to push back his forces with some meat wagon advancement, which was fun enough, and manged to take over the middle of the map. (we were both undead btw)
So I set up attacking ziggurauts en masse around his base, building them leap frog style as I eliminated some of his expansions in the way. I had a fair amount of towers by the end of my building campaign on his north flank.
So he just takes his three heroes and kills them all.
No backup, no nothing.
Sure, you can say that it was my fault for "building towerz lol nob", but seriously, no backup? I'd like to think it's a feasible strategy on my part.
Guess you can tell what my first impressions of the game were like, if I cant pull off things like this, and where my opinions come from.
your entire argument is invalid and doesn't mean crap cuz you haven't played. thanks gg no re.
The argument is that I don't like it because of my first impressions (which sucked), so yes, I haven't played because I'm not interested.
2nd you are NOT TOO SMART because that first pic is of a beta screenshot, and there is NOTHING GOING ON.
I dunno, I just google searched for any old picture. I couldn't know it its Beta or whatever.
And I suppose it wasn't that great of a picture to explain what I was saying... that although maybe you can tell whats happening in WC3, you can tell much easier in SC, which I like.
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posted 04-13-2003 05:19 AM
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Don't be ignorant and think I've never played it. Sure, I don't have it installed, and I don't own it, but I've played a few games, a watched a few games my friends played.
oh im ignorant because you don't play the game regularly, but you think you're good/informed well enough to make a comment like "warcraft 3 is highly overrated and inferior to starcraft".
k you observed a few games and are telling me, a person who played this game since early beta how good/bad it is? who's ignorant again? thanks.
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In one of the games I played with Ikuse, my general strategy was to starve his base and gold supplies out and set up a perimeter around him encampment to prevent him from getting any more funds. I managed to push back his forces with some meat wagon advancement, which was fun enough, and manged to take over the middle of the map. (we were both undead btw)
k your strategy sucks. i mean if you dont' know what you're doing then a game isn't gonna be fun really. you had no idea wtf you were doing. t.t
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So I set up attacking ziggurauts en masse around his base, building them leap frog style as I eliminated some of his expansions in the way. I had a fair amount of towers by the end of my building campaign on his north flank.
So he just takes his three heroes and kills them all.
No backup, no nothing.
it's not the heroes, it's your shitty micro, lack of expierience, and very shitty strategy.
you can't be good at a REAL TIME STRATEGY if you have a shitty strategy char, i'm sorry you can't blame heroes when it's your fault entirely for losing rofl.
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Sure, you can say that it was my fault for "building towerz lol nob", but seriously, no backup? I'd like to think it's a feasible strategy on my part.
Guess you can tell what my first impressions of the game were like, if I cant pull off things like this, and where my opinions come from.
k don't buy the game if you dont' like it. one less bad player i have to own and laugh at when i play ladder after FT beta is out. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
and your strat sucks, therefore you didn't have fun.
if you use your brain in an RTS it'll be fun and full of suprises/action/etc.
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The argument is that I don't like it because of my first impressions (which sucked), so yes, I haven't played because I'm not interested.
oh ok, so you can still comment on how good/bad it is, and how heroes limit strategies when you have no idea what strategy is?
lol wow remember you called ME ignorant? ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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And I suppose it wasn't that great of a picture to explain what I was saying... that although maybe you can tell whats happening in WC3, you can tell much easier in SC, which I like.
you can tell much easier in SC because most of us here have played it, while war3 is a pretty new game that not everyone here has played yet.
everyone that has played warcraft 3 that i know and am friends with in this community has loved it.
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Manuel Calavera
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posted 04-13-2003 05:51 AM
I really don't get Ico, even though everyone seems to suck it's knob for it being "the saviour of the gaming industry". It's a poorly built, fugly as hell platformer.
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posted 04-13-2003 07:09 AM
This is a good flavor to have. Don't complain.
I wasn't complaining. I was hoping that no one would defend their favorite game, because this was a thread for commenting on games that everyone likes except you. Then EN made his custom title worthwhile, and here we are.
Anyway, I've just finished a serious gaming fest of War3, deciding that I have to try it and decide whether I like it or not... for real.
It *is* different. I don't like the heroes. They are a great way of doing what they wanted to do (have broken casters but not let you build 20 of them: something they kinda flubbed on a bit).
It's slower. I like that.
The picture Char posts is not at the full "downward" view, I don't think. The zoomed in view is ridiculous. But his point stands: the game is simply harder to understand at a glance. Everything glows with magic bullshit, and I have to find my demon hunter amid a bunch of huntresses, and he has to cast something and oh he's asleep and now I have to attack him and wow that dude my opponent controlled just is totally walking my dude in circles and wow he's good for a "level 2" because it's his eigth fucking account and I'm actually a newbie.
Here's why heroes are a bad idea: you spend time making them happy. You need to spend time in the actual game running around and killing stuff to level your dudes, to get expansions, to do damn near anything. That's fun? Maybe when you've played the game tons. As it is I can only play a couple levels competently at *ALL*, because I don't know where to go to level my dudes at the start.
I'm always outnumbered. If I do nothing but build units, he has more and an expansion. And walks in at just the wrong time. Or magically knows to build the right unit. Or or or. I got on the Starcraft bandwagon at the start, so maybe that helped: I could play against people that weren't great.
Is it a better game? Probably. War2 was ludicrously unbalanced, but you could make a case for Starcraft.
I can't pass judgement because I haven't done all the races yet. I've played some Orc, a lot of Night Elf, and only a couple of everyone else.
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posted 04-13-2003 11:33 AM
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GTA 3.
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posted 04-13-2003 02:01 PM
I was hoping that no one would defend their favorite game, because this was a thread for commenting on games that everyone likes except you. Then EN made his custom title worthwhile, and here we are.
Sadly so. :/
k your strategy sucks. i mean if you dont' know what you're doing then a game isn't gonna be fun really. you had no idea wtf you were doing. t.t
The strategy of starving a foe out and attacking them when their weak is a strategy I would expect could be implimented in real life, so I don't really think it sucks that much.
Is it the standard 'build up your forces up to these numbers in this small amount of time and go attack move his base' strategy, that you're used to doing? No. Just because it's different and from a different viewpoint doesn't mean it 'sucks'.
It's kind of like this other guy I know. He's extremely good at CS, and he plays it almost as if it was Quake or something, still getting 3:1 ratios at the end of the map. I play more realistically, use my speakers to find enemies, walk and croutch about, and so forth. And I don't suck at doing that, and usually end the map with 2:1 or so ratio. Or I'll fool around and play with just the scout, and get 5 kills in a round with it.
It's kind of like him saying my playing style "sucks", just because it's not what he does.
it's not the heroes, it's your shitty micro, lack of expierience, and very shitty strategy.
It's not the no-effort heroes which he just attack-moved and forgot about?
Additionally, at the end of the game with Ikuse, my strategy worked, and I won the game. He ended up selling most of his buildings to have enough funds for a last army to throw at my base, which I managed to take down, and move in to finish him off.
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posted 04-13-2003 04:08 PM
heroes are a great addition to the game, and make it more difficult.
this game isn't meant for gamers that can't play, micro think up good strats cfalcon.
it is a difficult game intended for a good gaming community, not really people that aren't good at RTS in general.
hence the reason why you, and people that are generally not good at RTS hate the idea of heroes.
as a person who plays games on often a professional leve, i think heroes are a great addition and the strategies are countless.
there are now neutral heroes in The Frozen Throne which is amazing.
i don't know how you can argue with me on strategy when you have like a 6-30 record, but you know whatever.
i'm defending my favorite game because of the reasons he said it sucked cfalcon.
if i came in here and completely judged DDR or something for being a shitty overrated game, because i havne't played it but saw it played for a few minutes during graduation party, i'm 100% sure someone would defend their game.
you gotta look at why i defend warcraft 3, instead of assuming i'm just defending it cuz i like it.
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the way you starve cHar42 was completely dumb.
i starve as well but it's nothing like that.
and you don't use offensive towers on the best race defense in the game. -_-
btw saying heroes are no-effort is just so funny coming from you.
i have played some of the best players that get $ for playing it, and i'm sorry but it's just so laughable coming from you that has played what, 15 minutes of a game?
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posted 04-13-2003 04:57 PM
I forgot to mention the Lunar games.
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posted 04-13-2003 06:58 PM
hence the reason why you, and people that are generally not good at RTS hate the idea of heroes.
Ok, see that's the thing. I wasn't just good at Warcraft II: I was great. I kicked everyone ass that I ever played in Florida, and when I finally got online I was seriously competitive. I couldn't play as much as some people, but I beat some of the upper guys on Case's ladder back in the day.
When Starcraft came out I was very good at it. Not great, but damn good.
I've played a good chunk of RTSs, starting with Dune II and going up. I haven't played them all, and I've been out of practice for the past few years. I was never the *best*, but I was really fucking good.
So when I say I don't like the hero idea, it isn't because I'm a noob or something. I didn't like the idea when I first heard it, because I figured they would make them level. They did. The problem with making them level, fundamentally, is that if you win battle A then you can win battle A+1 a lot easier, because your dude levelled. Sure enough, this lopsided thing occurs in the actual game. The solution (for me) is to be the one winning the first battle (and subsequent ones), but simply put, I don't like the idea.
The heroes themselves are cool (most of them), and let you have neat abilities without having an army of dudes with neat abilities. It makes micro a lot more reasonable, because you have at most 3 uber dudes, and your spellcasters take a lot more care of themselves.
It's not that I don't see what they were doing: I just don't think it worked out as well as it could've.
I mean, I still like the game. I suspect it is the best RTS around, but if the heroes where a little less heroic, I'd be ok with it. Like if you could just plain old start with one, and build your second from you stage 2 townhall, and up to three with your third one (without the small "hero tech tree") that is the Altar. Then, with less invested in them, they could be a little less significant.
And as far as three heroes taking out a line of undefended towers: what kind of damage do zigs do? (and why can't every of them move?) Because don't heroes get some magical "I take very little damage from arrows, because otherwise that's a good way to kill me" bonus?
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posted 04-13-2003 07:03 PM
Oh, and I'm not tearing into you too much for dissing games. I don't know if I'd be able to keep my mouth shut if someone went off on Mario 3, but whatever.
Here's how you have to think of it: some people get turned on by looking at amputees. So clearly there are some fucked up opinions out there.
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posted 04-13-2003 07:45 PM
About War3: They have really clipped the wings of heroes and thier funtion in the expansion beta. Heroes can't chug health and mana potions infinitly anymore, so it's riskier to go solo-hero. Scrolls of Town Portal are MUCH harder to get, so heroes can't always run from battles where victory is uncertain. Creeps give out much less gold and experience, so you can't just power level your hero and expect to win. Heroes get less exp from creeps once they hit lvl 3, and they don't even get exp from creeps past lvl 4, so actual army to army combat is more imortant. Heroes are still the name of the game, but you need an army and have to actually use it effectivly. The battle A/A+1 thing is till true, but it's not as ironclad as before.
There are still imbalances that people are bitching about, mainly hire-able neutral heroes (any race can by them) with area effect damage spells that can be armies unto themselves. Some heroes are still plain old BETTER than otheres, so heroes aren't balanced among themselves either. Still, the impression is that blizzard is working towards a game in which heroes are important, but lesser units are not just an afterthought.
There is a nice discussion of the current War 3 situation here.
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posted 04-13-2003 08:11 PM
Here's why heroes are a bad idea: you spend time making them happy. You need to spend time in the actual game running around and killing stuff to level your dudes, to get expansions, to do damn near anything. That's fun?
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posted 04-13-2003 08:16 PM
that is probably the biggest noob warcraft 3 discussion i've seen.
but yeah new guy is right about what he said about the expansion.
give Frozen Throne a shot.
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posted 04-13-2003 09:39 PM
By the way, EN, I thought you knew what capital letters were.
About W3: I've never played it, but I doubt I'd like it all that much. I don't like RTS a whole lot, so there ya go.
Remember, though: one man's meat is another man's poison. I enjoyed Goldeneye a helluva lot, but some people can't stand it. I also dislike most fighting games (I don't really understand the reason complex button sequence combos have for existing), but some swear by them.
On the whole, I don't like realistic racing games (like GT), mostly because it's not easy to pick up the controls when you're used to Mario Kart physics.
I love both SSB and Melee, probably because they're platformers on Fighting Crack. And though it's easy to get decent, it's much harder to get great. If it's easy to get decent, then a newbie is gonna have more fun because said newbie will get past the "die, die, die, die, die, game set, you lose" stage much faster. I mean, basically, you just have to learn how to do smash attacks, that B+Up is your third jump, and that Man Does Not Live By The B Button Alone, and you're decent.
But if someone talks trash about SMB 3, I'll be right next to cfalcon, matching him blow for blow on the poor sap.
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It is unfortunate that while I didn't have a lot to say, I said a lot. Dealing is the name of the game, though...
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posted 04-13-2003 10:34 PM
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Here's why heroes are a bad idea: you spend time making them happy. You need to spend time in the actual game running around and killing stuff to level your dudes, to get expansions, to do damn near anything. That's fun?
That's exactly right: War III is more of a RPG than a true RTS.
And that's what pisses me off. That, and the 90 *food* (not unit) limit.
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