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The Muffin King
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posted 04-10-2003 09:52 PM
A serious debate here (hopefully).
What's your viewpoint on homosexuality? Why? Should they be allowed into the military/boy scouts/girl scouts? etc.
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posted 04-10-2003 09:55 PM
What they do or who they like is their own business. I wouldn't appreciate being hit on by another guy, but whatever floats their boat.
Lesbianism, however, I openly encourage.
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posted 04-10-2003 10:03 PM
Same here.
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pkthunder
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posted 04-10-2003 10:04 PM
Hate the sin, love the sinner.
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Anthrax
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posted 04-10-2003 10:05 PM
in before this turns into a wacky debate misadventure
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posted 04-10-2003 10:18 PM
The interesting thing is how many of us are sitting here waiting for some yutz to put forth the moronic arguement ("homosexuals should be outlawed / killed") at which point they will be attacked in force.
A more reasonable debate may be on something like gay marriage, or homosexuals adopting.
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posted 04-10-2003 10:26 PM
"Queers Are Faggots" ~ Fish151PKMN
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$$Bling Bling$$" ~Jman
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posted 04-10-2003 10:54 PM
hi
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posted 04-10-2003 10:55 PM
HOMOSEXUALS SHOULD BE OUTLAWED / KILLED!!! BECAUSE GOD SAYS SO AND I BELIEVE IN GOD!!!
ALSO THE BIBLE SAYS SO AND GOD WROTE THE BIBLE AND I ALSO BELIEVE IN GOD!!!
ALSO I HATE SIN BUT LOVE THE SINNER!!! WHICH IS WHY WE MUST OUTLAW / KILL HOMOSEXUALS!!!
I TOLD YOU I WAS HARDCORE!!!
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WE MUST OUTLAW / KILL THIS HOMOSEXUAL --->  !!! IT IS TRYING TO WOO YOUR HEART WITH ITS WILY WAYS!!! DO NOT GIVE IN TO ITS LIES!!! GOD BLESS YOU!!!
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posted 04-10-2003 11:10 PM
r u thretning mee
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posted 04-10-2003 11:20 PM
Gay marriages and homosexuals adopting won't happen until we get a gay/female/swedish president.
code:
GOP 1: We need a symbol. Something that says
we're gay *and* Republican.
[Maggie's pink elephant balloon floats in through an open window]
GOP 2: A little on the nose, don't you think?
[Lisa and Bart come into the room]
Lisa: Excuse me, we just came to get our
balloon.
GOP 1: Here you go. [hands her the balloon]
And, have a bumper sticker.
[gives her one of those, too]
Lisa: Thank you. [reading] "A gay President
in 2084"?
GOP 3: We're realistic.
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posted 04-10-2003 11:39 PM
I'm in my first year of college, and was randomly paired to room with three other people, and two of them turned out to be gay. One of them is one of the nicest guys I've ever met, and he's pretty cool. The other is a fucking prick and I hate him. Not because he's gay, but because he's probably the rudest person I've ever come across. I don't mind having gay roommates, as they seem to understand that hitting on me or my other heterosexual roommate would cause problems. It's fine living with gay roommates, except sometimes when the gay friends are invited over. Three guys singing out of tune falsetto to the score of a musical is not cool. But I respect their lifestyle and have no problems with their sexual orientation. I just can't wait till I don't have to live with the prick anymore.
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posted 04-10-2003 11:51 PM
I'm okay with 'em too. They can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't involve me into their man-love. I don't mind if they join the army or if they want to marry and/or adopt kids. I'm pretty much indifferent on the matter. I have gay friends and co-workers and they're okay cats.
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posted 04-11-2003 01:44 AM
I don't see any reason a gay person couldn't be a good parent. And I think they would do fine in scouts as long as they aren't a gay pedophile. I also think they should avoid discussing their sexuality with little children, mostly because I don't discuss my sexuality with little children, and partly because some kids out there make it to the point that they don't know too much about that concept until their parents get around to explaining it, and that's good (in some cases).
I personally don't know any gays with hardcore bloodlust, but they're probably out there, and minus the bloodlust they could still be productive in the military as a mechanic or computer guy or something.
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posted 04-11-2003 01:45 AM
All queers are pedophiles.
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posted 04-11-2003 01:47 AM
I have no problem with gay people or homosexuality in general, and I really don't see anything thing wrong with it. Sure, I've seen some pretty damn dysfunctional gay relationships, and I've seen some gay people who were total sluts and jerks...but I've also seen a metric shitload of dysfunctional hetero relationships and hetero sluts and jerks. I've known quite a lot of gay people...not just casually met them, but known them personally...and there's absolutely nothing to suggest that gay people are any less intelligent, capable, loving, and friendly than heterosexual people. I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to marry, adopt children, and have all the other social and legal benefits that heterosexual couples have. Honestly, why the hell not? Yeah, there's a social stigma and all that happy shit, but a few decades ago ((and even currently in some places)) interracial marriages had the same stigma.
As for the people who are all like "gay people are teh suk cuz Jeebus sez so and it goes against nature..." Jesus didn't mention anything about homosexuality anywhere in the Bible, and evidence suggests there's nothing unnatural about homosexuality, as it has been observed in 100+ different species of animals. Sure, gay people can't procreate with one another ((at least not with current technology)), but I think 6 billion humans on the planet is quite sufficient, and heaven knows there are enough unwanted children out there who need a good, loving home.
So honestly...what are the serious, logical arguments *against* letting gay people get married and adopt kids and all that stuff? Damn near every argument I've heard has been based on either religion or stereotypes, and that's far from convincing.
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posted 04-11-2003 01:58 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Anthrax:
All queers are pedophiles.
Oh. My bad.
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posted 04-11-2003 05:45 AM
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Originally posted by pkthunder:
Hate the sin, love the sinner.
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posted 04-11-2003 07:45 AM
Alright, I'm going to go into depth here, because I don't want people jumping to conclusions because my answer had religious taint.
I have no problem with them getting married to each other, adopting kids, teaching elementary school, participating in Scouts, serving in the military and keeping it to themselves, and everything else in that matter.
And though Jesus may not have said "No homosexuality," it is in the Bible. Leviticus 18:22 reads "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." So the only thing I have a problem with is when Christian gays think that their relationships are blessed by God, because they're not. Just as I don't have God's blessing when I take His name in vain. It's a sin in His eyes, but that is no reason to condemn them as people and as contributors.
Whereas murderers are sinners, too, and we condemn them, its because what they're doing contributes to the breakdown of society.
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posted 04-11-2003 08:03 AM
But doesn't Leviticus say all sorts of weird shit? I mean, if we're going by Levitican law, then God gets PO'd when you eat lobster, wear mixed fabrics, and fail to offer animal sacrifies because it makes a "pleasing odor for the Lord". What is it about the gay sex passage that makes it retain its validity while the passages right next to it are oftentimes completely ignored? By modern application and interpretation, I could dress up in mixed fabrics and go eat at Red Lobster, and god wouldn't care, but if I dress up in mixed fabrics and take my gay lover on a date to Red Lobster, it's a sin. Why is this?
And for that matter, does the Bible ever mention lesbains, or only gay men? ((I'm really just curious on this one.))
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posted 04-11-2003 08:47 AM
Yeah, Leviticus has some weird shit. Its a running joke in my family for me to run up to my dad while I've got my period, touch him and yell "UNCLEAN, UNCLEAN! Now go dunk yourself in the river."
Jesus did declare all food clean. He also, in the same respect, narrowed down all of Old Testament law into two commandments: 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind,' and 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' But he also said in Matthew 5:18,19 "I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." So he doesn't say you won't make to heaven, he just says you'll be considered "the least."
And re: your question about gay men but not gay women, I'm not sure if this is an oversight because apparently only men counted back in the day, or if it really is just not considered detestable. BUT, in the next verse, it specifically mentions women shouldn't have sex with animals, right after saying men shouldn't. So there's no consistency. I don't know how to interpret that. And those verses are all grouped together with others describing unlawful sexual relations, and the chapter mentions nothing about these things being unclean, so I can't even argue that gay male intercourse is unclean but gay female relations are not and that's why its not specified as detestable. So in conclusion, the jury is still out.
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posted 04-11-2003 09:45 AM
pkthunder: Jesus did declare all food clean.
What about the other stuff? Is your dad still due for a river dunking?
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posted 04-11-2003 09:51 AM
I don't know what Jesus' take is on it... but according to the letter of the law, I believe he's okay once he showers.
EDIT: Sorry - he doesn't have to bathe. He'll be "unclean until evening."
Leviticus 15:19-24
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posted 04-11-2003 10:02 AM
I suppose I might as well post my two cents on this subject.
I really have no problem with homosexuals. I neither fear them nor look down on them. Hell, a lot of my closest friends are gay, bi, and Catholic. I do not tell my gay friends what they're doing is wrong. I do not gawk at them when they make out with their 'partners'. I openly hug my gay friends in public. Hell, I'll occasionally call something 'straight' instead of 'gay' around them as a joke.
I see no problems with homosexuals in the military, Scouts, etc. Being homosexual does not guarantee that they'll be trying to get kids to earn their Emotional Scar Badge as soon as they're alone in the woods.
I still fail to see how having a gay soldier is a dangerous thing. I doubt Private James will be so busy thinking "OMG, lookit his ass! I wanna bite it!" that he'll forget that he's in combat. If they'll allow straight women into the military, they might as well let gay people in without much trouble.
The can understand what is had against homosexuals marrying. Since religion tends to comdemn homosexuality, I doubt many Christians will be pleased to know that two gays are about to enter a house of God to enter holy matrimony. Of course, this could probably be remidied by simply getting married in a courtoom. Of course, I'm not exactly sure how those kind of marriages work (i.e., is God mentioned, is a Bible used, etc.).
The adoption thing, I can also understand. I'm sure little Timmy will get his ass kicked every day because Johnny found out that he has two daddys. Growing up with gay parents will most likely have a serious effect on a child. Not that I think the best way to get homosexual parents to be more 'acceptable' is to simply prevent them from adopting or raising children. The way I see it, if two gays/lesbians can raise a child with love and care, then they should be allowed to have kids. There's many of people in the world who're straight and still unfit parents, and there's also many orphans in need of a good home and wouldn't mind having two mothers/fathers.
On a personal standpoint, I see nothing wrong with homosexuality. I admit that whether it is or isn't natural could be debatable, as the main function of sex is to reproduce, yet there are still many animals that have been known to have sexual intercourse for their own pleasure (and IIRC, gay sex isn't that uncommon in monkeys).
Homosexuality should not be looked down upon as unacceptable or immoral. It's understandable if its from a religious standpoint, as not many will argue with the decision of whatever god they choose to worship.
And now I'm too lazy to make some kind of big finish. Also I want to go eat a cupcake.
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posted 04-11-2003 11:13 AM
pkthunder: I don't know what Jesus' take is on it... but according to the letter of the law, I believe he's okay once he showers.
So does that mean you take the mixed fabric thing seriously, or are you singling out the fag passage as something you personally think is more meaningful?
Porygone: The can understand what is had against homosexuals marrying. Since religion tends to comdemn homosexuality, I doubt many Christians will be pleased to know that two gays are about to enter a house of God to enter holy matrimony. Of course, this could probably be remidied by simply getting married in a courtoom. Of course, I'm not exactly sure how those kind of marriages work (i.e., is God mentioned, is a Bible used, etc.).
What about 2 atheists getting married?
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posted 04-11-2003 11:16 AM
What about 2 atheists getting married?
Are they gay atheists?
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posted 04-11-2003 11:21 AM
They are hot lesbian atheists with no underwear.
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posted 04-11-2003 11:33 AM
Here's my take on the situation.
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posted 04-11-2003 12:15 PM
I'll try and explain this whole thing in the Torah about as well as I can. Keep in mind that I don't necessarily believe in all of this, I'm just trying to keep you informed.
In Judaism, one of the countless ways of classifying laws is the stuff that makes sense and the stuff that doesn't. Most will argue that the stuff that doesn't make sense is a lot larger, but science has actually done us a favour and changed some of that. (Pig is considerably unhealthy compared to Cow. Everyone needs at least one day, IMHO, where they are commanded to eat, sleep, and have sex with their spouse, and they are strictly forbidden from doing any homework, etc.)
Stuff that makes sense: Don't kill, steal, etc, the obvious.
Stuff that doesn't make sense: Don't mix wool and linen (Sha'atnez), and to some extent homosexuality.
Just because we don't get it doesn't mean we don't observe it (at least in Conservative and Orthodox). Tefillin, otherwise known as phylacteries, are these boxes with script with leather straps that guys wear on their arm and head every non-holiday morning. There's absolutely no concievable reason to do this, but we do it anyway.
As far as the whole debate on the period and homosexuality goes, the Torah is very specific on one thing, and it expands upon it countless times because of it. You're not supposed to let sex cells go to waste. It's gone as far as to say you can't ejaculate unless it's into a woman when she can be impregnated (yes, that means no jaxxing). The potential for life is one of the most important things in the Torah. You can't use a condom, because that would be letting the sperm go to waste. You can't get sucked off, cuz taht would let sperm go to waste. You can use the pill or get a vasectomy, because at least the sperm is trying to do its job.
Hence all the restrictions on sex and so forth. Don't have sex with a women when she can't get knocked up, don't have sex with animals, don't have male homosexual sex. A lot of the laws are actually restrictions on males, and there is absolutely no restriction whatsoever in the Torah on lesbianism. It is 100% allowed by the Torah, no matter how strict the reading. It's the Rabbis that came after that outlawed it. I still can't figure out why. Women can't have sex with animals for the same sort of reason - fear of the animal busting a load without chance of impregnation (as gross as that sounds).
Now I know that chimps and dolphins and whatnot engage in homosexual activity, and I know they lose their load, and I know it's not always used to impregnate, and I know that screws it all up. Well, guess what. This is one of those times where you just have to fall back on faith and say, "Well, G0d said so, let's do it."
As far as my personal opinions on all of this goes, I really don't give a shit what anyone else does, so long as it's within legal bounds. Just because I wouldn't do it won't make me stop you from doing it.
Gay marriages on the other hand, I have a problem with from more of a legal perspective. If gay marriages are allowed, what's to stop two roomates from getting papers and paying less taxes?
Adoption, to me, is one of the greatest things in our social structure. I don't really have anything against gay couples adopting a child, I guess. So long as they're open enough if their child turns out straight and so forth, and not to impose anything on the child, I don't see anything wrong with it. I'm actually a fan of reproductive engineering because homosexuals can now take random sex cells and have just as random a baby as heterosexual couples would. Kinda cool, a little creepy, but whatever.
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posted 04-11-2003 12:52 PM
Mick: ...what's to stop two roomates from getting papers and paying less taxes?
What's to stop a gay guy from marrying his lesbian roommate? Or a hetero male and female, for that matter?
If they're willing to get married (at the expense of being able to marry another human concurrently), then who the fuck cares?
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posted 04-11-2003 12:54 PM
Well, I admit that I have a kinda strange take on homosexuality. Probably has something to do with the fact that I like women in a part of the country where that's not only not socially acceptable, but can actually get you tortured (torched) by the KKK.
I don't think that homosexuals are bad people, I don't really think that God hates them or whatever- honestly, we probably piss God off without even knowing about it, so I refuse to worry about the opinion of the higher deity who, after all, created me the way I am. I agree that there are some really evil gay people, but, as it's been pointed out, there are some really evil straight people.
As for adoption, one of my good friends (and cousin) has "two mommies". He seems pretty well-adjusted, and it didn't "turn him gay" or anything. A second cousin of mine was raised by "two daddies", and again, she's pretty normal. (Oddly, it's the REST of our family that's so damn screwed up.) On the other hand, I have a straight uncle that can't be let near the little girls, if you know what I mean.
If I don't openly announce everything to the entire world (my parents don't have a clue), I think I've been reasonable in a situation where caution is definitely called for. I don't believe that God condemns me or anyone else for sexual preferences, we've done a terrific as a species) of "go(ing) forth and multiply(ing)". I suspect that God (and the rest of the planet) is a lot madder than I'm an asshole than that I'm bisexual...
I'm kinda glad that the world seems to be becoming more open-minded. Now, if you'll excuse me, there are some nice gentlemen at the door in white sheets with a burning cross... I'll be back in a minute.
EDIT: On the roomates thing... Mick, you're just mad because you can't get the tax shelter. Quit whining.
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posted 04-11-2003 01:09 PM
If gay marriages are allowed, what's to stop two roomates from getting papers and paying less taxes?
This is a problem with tax laws, not gay marriage.
On with the fun:
The "no mixed fabrics" verse is Leviticus 19:19:
"You must obey all my laws. Do not breed your cattle with other kinds of animals. Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear clothing woven from two different kinds of fabric."
This verse has to do with the mixing of two of God's creations to form something useless. God created everything unique and with its own purpose. If you breed cattle with some other livestock, you end up with something that probably won't procreate, might be an abomination, and may be of no use, as either food or for work purposes. When you sow two different types of seeds in the same field, the potential for useless crops is heightened. For example if you were to plant oats and wheat together, the wheat would be "injured" and the oats would be ruined (source). Later on, God said not to plant other crops among the rows of the vineyards, and this is because the grapes and thus the wine would be ruined.
The Hebrew texts specify mixed fabric as woolen and linen woven together. They did not have the garment care technology back then as we do today, so if they made fabric from the combination, the wool fibers would shrink faster than the linen, rendering the garment useless. Or one type of fabric would wear faster than the other, and once again, the garment would be ruined.
So no, I don't think this is applicable today. In fact, cotton/poly mixes wear better than cotton by itself.
This verse is all about respecting God and using the gifts He gave us to their fullest potential in serving Him. I say since He gave us intelligence and free will and we've used these tools to come up with better technologies that not only keep our garments wearing longer but also keep us healthy and limit the spread of disease (thus rendering the cleanliness laws obsolete as well), all the more power to us.
But I don't think this reasoning applies to homosexuality. I don't think human nature has changed that much since the days of Moses to make laws prohibiting sleeping with another dude obsolete.
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posted 04-11-2003 01:49 PM
I once tried to explain that Gay people shouldn’t be discriminated against to my mom, here’s how it went:
Me: You think that guy (who is gay) had it coming?
Mom: Of course, he is mentally ill or has something seriously wrong with him.
Me: Does that mean people should beat him up?
Mom: He’s gay! It’s his own fault he can’t act normal.
Me: Some people are born gay, just like some people are born liking oranges instead of apples.
Mom: Are you trying to defend gay people, who put this nonsense into your head? Dad walks in You here your son talking about gay people?
Dad: mockingly You like gay people Alex?
Me: No!!!
Mom: Of course he does, why else would he be defending them?
It’s really hard to speak out for gay people.
By law, since the law separates church and state, gay people should have the same rights as anyone else. You don’t have to like them though. I hate gay people as much as I don’t like ugly nudist, Nazis, and fake politicians. Hot nudist and real politicians are ok. I could hang out with a gay dude, as long as he doesn’t talk about it. Like I could hang out with some dude that enjoys getting dildo fucked by his girl, but doesn’t talk about it. There is nothing wrong with not chillin with gays because they make you sick to your stomach, it’s natural really. Thought they should never be discriminated against by the law.
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posted 04-11-2003 02:00 PM
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I don't think human nature has changed that much since the days of Moses to make laws prohibiting sleeping with another dude obsolete.
I just realized I have to clarify this statement, or else someone will take it the wrong way. I don't think that the state/government should make laws prohibiting homosexuality, prohibiting homosexual acts, or limiting rights for homosexuals. My statement above was in reference to God's laws. Whether or not I think its wrong, or society, or the government, or whatever is irrelavent in my argument. All I'm saying is I believe God still thinks its wrong.
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posted 04-11-2003 03:56 PM
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All I'm saying is I believe God still thinks its wrong.
Since God is supposedly the summation of love, I think God can probably understand. Sexual attraction is a natural outgrowth of love. Is it any less an abomination for two straight people to fuck with no commitment or feelings? It's not that I'm like "Mmm, lesbian sex, yummy", it's that I don't have an objection to loving someone because they happen to have some of the same body parts as I do. It's about the person, not the genitalia.
I have loved women before, sometimes with more depth than the guys I've loved. No, I've never fucked a woman, but I've never fucked a man either. I see physical affection as a part of love- it's ingrained into our responses, it's the way we continue ourselves as a species, it's what so much poetry, literature, art, etc., is about.
I can understand having something against bestiality, but it's not because "Ohmygod, it's a tentacle monster!" It's because animals can't think, and they can't actually love. It's sick, in the same way that raping the girl with Down's syndrome would be sick. I definitely have a problem with that, just like I have a problem with pedophiles.
I don't believe that human sexuality was ever supposed to be polar. It's a spectrum. You know- he's 90% attracted to women, 10% to men, she's 50/50, etc, etc, etc. The only "perfectly straight" people I know are lying to themselves, because they're too afraid, or too religious. I'm not saying "Everyone is gay", or anything, and for chrissake, I'm not trying to "convert" anybody. I'm saying that an attraction to one's own sex isn't unnatural, there are things about the same sex that those of the opposite gender have no appreciation for. Just because it's different doesn't mean it's an abomination.
Think about it. Nobody has the same damn fingerprints, why in the world should we assume that sex is simpler than fingerprints?
If God loves us, then God understands us. Everything is transformed by love. Murdering someone is wrong, but I don't believe that helping someone who's terminally ill and in a lot of pain die is wrong. Situations, circumstances...
everything is relative.
Look. If you love someone, really love them, does it matter what they look like? I like people, what's inside, not physical bodies. Once you can accept and love the people, the rest will come in time.
If that makes me a pervert, then so be it.
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PikaCharma
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posted 04-11-2003 04:13 PM
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But I don't think this reasoning applies to homosexuality. I don't think human nature has changed that much since the days of Moses to make laws prohibiting sleeping with another dude obsolete.
But couldn't it be argued that one of the main reasons for the anti-gay laws was because it limited the procreation of the species? Overpopulation wasn't really a problem back then, but it certainly is now. If it's possible that modern situations can render some biblical laws obsolete ((ie, the creation of durable mixed fabric blends)), then couldn't the gay law be rendered obsolete since overpopulation of the planet is getting to be an increasing problem? "Wasting sperm" doesn't seem like so much of an issue anymore. I mean, if we overpopulated the planet to the point where we couldn't use it, I think it would be a much greater waste of god's gifts than shooting a load in someone's butt.
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posted 04-11-2003 04:18 PM
Bullshit like this is why I don't subscribe very closely to any religion. Being gay is not something you can help, and the fact that people would consider holding homosexuals in disdain or split hairs over whether or not the practice is "a sin in the eyes of God" is completely unreasonable. One of my best friends is gay, and I hold a new level of respect for him, simply because of the ignorant shit that he has to put up with.
Just ask yourself, what if you were gay? How would you want to be treated? Unlike being a fucking shitbrick that posts loads and loads of goddam worthless garbage, homosexuality is not something you can control.
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pkthunder
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posted 04-11-2003 04:42 PM
All my above statements were in defense of my one statement "So the only thing I have a problem with is when Christian gays think that their relationships are blessed by God, because they're not." I believe in a loving and caring God that encourages strong relationships between all people. And I certainly believe that He loves all his children, gay or straight. But I just can't imagine a gay marriage taking place in a church or performed by a Christian minister. It just doesn't fit. There's certainly a place for them in society, though. A gay couple that wants to publicly profess their love for each other and legally bind themselves together is cool.
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posted 04-11-2003 04:47 PM
I wasn't talking about your posts specifically, I was just expressing general disgust with how people receive different treatment over something they cannot control. Religion throws a lot of bullshit at people for illogical reasons, and this is why it should not be subscribed to, lest one that makes A Little Fucking Sense be established.
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posted 04-11-2003 05:14 PM
That's pretty rich coming from someone who uses fag as a keyword for insult.
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posted 04-11-2003 05:20 PM
I don't have anything against them. I just wouldn't like a guy putting his pensi in my a-hole.
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starCaliber
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posted 04-11-2003 05:47 PM
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That's pretty rich coming from someone who uses fag as a keyword for insult.
shut up, very nice person who I don't want to get banned over
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posted 04-11-2003 06:05 PM
Had to edit your post. Big spelling error.
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posted 04-11-2003 06:29 PM
Hey look I'm a religious fellow, I think I'll ignore this rule because it interferes with my life and it's just silly. God doesn't care if we break this rule.
But this other rule, oh man don't even think about breaking this rule, God gave us this rule and we've got to obey it, who are we to question the word of God?
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posted 04-11-2003 06:33 PM
Never said I was a good Jew. I know my religion better than most, but I'm not necessarily adherent to everything.
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PikaCharma
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posted 04-12-2003 02:54 AM
Oh, for the love of *insert name of preferred deity here.*
I just found out that the lovely Reverend Fred Phelps of godhatesfags.com fame is coming to my university this weekend to protest a production of the Laramie Project.
Charming. Just charming. ::walks away muttering::
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posted 04-12-2003 09:32 AM
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I just found out that the lovely Reverend Fred Phelps of godhatesfags.com fame is coming to my university this weekend to protest a production of the Laramie Project.
Man, he must really hate cigarettes.
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posted 04-12-2003 04:37 PM
If I hadn't already rated SDShamshel a 4, I would rate him a 4 right now.
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posted 04-12-2003 05:38 PM
It's why I'm the Dumb Idiot Face, yo.
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posted 04-13-2003 02:12 AM
Hey guys why don't we make this thread into a religious debate just like every ot
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