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Mentar the Malady Monkey
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I'm going to post an e-mail that I sent to a friend in response to a note passed in class.

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Poor people indeed.

I have a theory.... we're going to war. Maybe not WWIII, but war nonetheless. This is not a terrorist attack; this is a nation-sanctioned attack. Someone obviously thought we would go to war with them eventually (making China and Russia the most likely candidates, since they fear our missile defense system) and launched a strategic tactical strike. They've not only damaged our economy (as Napoleon tried to do to England) but also grounded all of
our planes (as Hitler did to Poland). Since our planes are all on the ground, they're vulnerable right now (though maybe the military ones aren't, I'm not sure).

Brilliant planning, really, but still horrible.

And I'm probably wrong anyway - Osama Bin Laden is likely behind this.

Probably not a part of god's plan.... but evidently someone's plan. And no one really likes "someone" now, I hope.

PS: Bin Laden denies having anything to do with it. I, for one, believe him.... he would BRAG if he had done it.

But then, maybe that's just what he wants us to think.

Edit: No flames please. I know 99% of what I just said is bullshit. But it's still an interesting theory.

[ 09-11-2001: Message edited by: Mentar the Malady Monkey ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Mentar the Malady Monkey:
PS: Bin Laden denies having anything to do with it. I, for one, believe him.... he would BRAG if he had done it.


No way. If he admitted to this, then a good portion of Afghanistan would become a smoldering crater(although the Afghan government would most likely turn him over before that happened). He knows better than to admit to anything his organization might be involved in.


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Aight, since I've had a relatively joking attitude in my last two posts, here's my actual 2 cents:

Yeah, I was joking around a little, but that's cause I
a) Have never really had something so tragic happen to me, so subconsiously I can't understand the full extent of grief felt, even tho I know it exists, and
b) Cause I like to hide up sadness with happiness and comedy.

Ok, well anyway, I am against the full scale retaliation idea, sort of. I for one do not believe that it is the best thing for us to just bomb the shit out of the people responsible. However, I do believe we have no other choice. I am totally against this morally, and I KNOW the media will have another field day when they do kill these guys. The whole day will be like this, only we'll be watching footage of bombs falling on buildings, Navy SEALS and Marines gunning down terrorists, missiles landing on targets, etc. Basically the media has put us on standby for episode 2, much like waiting a week for a new Friends episode. They're going to show us more sickening footage because they believe it's what is "Right for America and right for freedom."

WTF. Cmon, think now, do you really think that bombing the shit out of someone is the best answer? I highly doubt it will send a ripple of fear through all other terrorists/whatevers. I must admit, if we can take care of Bin Laden, it WILL prevent many other circumstances in the future, whether or not he was responsible for this one. We should just jail him or somethin. Yeah, fags will try and rescue him, though. But what if he's assassinated? All of a sudden we've got hundreds or thousands of his followers on kamikaze missions in the name of Bin Laden. OR what if we piss off a whole nation? Odds are they are piss poor compared to us, but what will it say to the world if we destroy a nation? I feel terrible about all the people who lost their lives today, and all those affected, a kid in my Spanish class has an uncle missing right now.

But please, if you're actually still reading my rant, stop with your "KILL THE FUCKING BASTARDS" attitude. You're no better than the terrorists, and are blinded by media propaganda. If I made myself unclear, I don't want to send out the military and kill these peepz, although I must agree that politically, this is probably the smartest move Bush could make.

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I like how some people post something extremely similar to what CNN reporters said earlier tonight.

Meh... the sad face icon...

I have a cousin who works in Manhattan. Her boyfriend's brother was on the 92d floor of one of the towers. He is no more.

George Bush's speech... punish the terrorists & harborers... good fucking idea.

Yeah... and I believe it was... the Palestinian children who were dancing in the streets, not Afghani.


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I thought Ben Laden was already the person responsible?

Anyway, play Alpha Centauri...maybe its not reality, but the stuff in that game is very real.

*cough* Of course, I was always the Terrorist. *hums*

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I, like some of the New Yorkers who posted, was near the World Trade Center when it got hit and collapsed. In fact, my high school is 4 city blocks away. Stuyvesant High School for those who know what the hell that is.

The day begins with this kid rushing it late to my 2nd period class, exclaiming "The World Trade Center's on fire!"

We manage to finish the lesson more or less, and while getting to the next class, I find out a plane just hit the second building. I head to my Digital Electronics class, where the lesson has been thrown away and our attentions were on the tv. Every so often, a news helicopter would fly nearby, and freak the crap out of me. Then, the 2nd building collapsed. There was a shockwave or a sonic boom or something, the lights dimmed for a few seconds, and then we got the hell out of that room. As I left, I could see the smoke building up on the side. If you looked outside, it was pitch-white, more or less.

Shortly after, the school was evacuated. I walked uptown with friends for the longest while.

Well, it's not much of a recount, but damn, it's freaky.

I'm just glad all of my family is alive and well. One brother works one building away from the World Trade Center, the other works in Rockefeller Center.

My prayers and condolences go out to all those who have suffered in any way because of this situation.


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quote:
Originally posted by SpaceDog:

No way. If he admitted to this, then a good portion of Afghanistan would become a smoldering crater(although the Afghan government would most likely turn him over before that happened). He knows better than to admit to anything his organization might be involved in.


Nah. Ordinarily, at least 5 other terrorist groups claim to have done it even if they didn't, solely for bragging rights.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cesar:
Maybe I have no feelings what so ever, but am I the only one who doesn't care anymore.

Sure thousands are dead/injured, but it's not like it hasn't happened before. I'm just wondering why they haven't destroyed the UN Headquarters yet.


Jesus Christ. I feel bad for you. Any normal person would care about this, it's pretty disturbing that you don't.

Oh, and this is the biggest terrorist act ever, dumbfuck.

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Anyone, ANYONE who makes an All Your Base reference should be shot repeatedly.

Just to let you folks know my feelings.


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Australia's reaction:

CNN. Every channel. All Day. Everyday.

Half of the Sydney CBD is empty, because of people not working, for fear of copycat attacks in Australia.

Our Prime Minister, who hsa 300 metres from the Pentagon when that plane crashed, returns home.

Armed guards at parliament, Kirribilli House(white house for the Australians of sorts), at the airport.

American and Isreali embassy/consulates sealed, 1 km radius. American ambasador leaves, and is flown in a private plane back home.

American installations(mainly satellite/spy crap) sealed off. Planes suspected of containing terrorists on their way from Australia to America ordered to land.

Although Australia has had some iffy situations, I have never woken up and been so scared in my life. WE are half way across the world from anything that has happened, yet I can't help but get the feeling we are going to get dragged into something that we aren't(as a nation) prepared for.


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Ok, sorry ya'll, vent session.

I currently attend University of North Texas. This evening, there were several Candlelight Vigils held. One was Catholic, one was Protestant, and one was completely non-denominational. I went to the non-denominational one, and it was going beautifully. The people there came from all sorts of religious backgrounds. Chirstians, Pagans, atheists, and many others. We sang patriotic songs instead of religious songs, took turns speaking, and offered support for those who lost friends or family in today's events. Well, when we were taking turns speaking, some Bible banging JERK came up and started trying to convert everyone. A bunch of people were quoting the Bible in their speeches, so that was no big deal. But this guy was saying shit like "Jesus is the only way anyone can get through this. You all need to accept Jesus now", as an apparent rebuttal to someone else's speech about cherishing life while we have it and not being afraid to turn to friends for support. I'm sorry, but this really really hacked me off. If the guy wants to preach, fine, but what a fucking opportunist. The very idea that someone could turn a candlelight vigil filled with mourners into his own personal pulpit to promote his own agenda just sickens me beyond belief. Grrr.

*cough* Anyways. Back to the regularly scheduled topic. As for whether or not the US should blow shit up in retaliation...they better get some *good* evidence first, or else all hell could break loose. The parts of hell that haven't already broken loose, anyways. If a country's government and\or military was in on this, or if a country's government and\or military is harboring fugitives related to this, then fuck yeah, declare war, and bomb their asses off the map. If the US doesn't stand up for itself, then we're sending an open invitation to anyone and everyone who has a beef with Capitalism or America in general to express their grievances by invading America and blowing up civilian targets. I don't fucking think so. However, if this is an individual terrorist group not working in league with any nation or military, then I should hope to hell George Dubya doesn't get missile happy, or else we're all fucked. Find the actual perps and kick their sorry asses, hell yes. But should America bomb a country that played no real role in the events of today, hello World War III.

I'm just concerned that there's more to come. Paranoia, maybe, but for all we know, the terrorists DID use germ warfare, and the explosions were just the first half of a double whammy. Or maybe the explosions today were just the opening act. What if they blow some more shit up tomorrow, or next week? What if their hackers are fucking up the Department of Defense computer system as we speak? I know, I know, I'm paranoid, and I'm probably being silly, but this whole thing came as such a surprise, it just seems like anything's possible, and no possibility is too crazy.

*sigh* I hate terrorists. Committing random acts of terrorism against purely civilian targets carries with it all the bravery and dignity of using a baseball bat to beat up an old granny in a wheelchair just because you don't like the community she lives in. What a bunch of fucking pussies. If you wanna declare war on America, have the balls to come out and do it instead of pulling this cowardly bullshit.

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Jaybee, if you want something to contradict with that, here's NZ's reaction;

2 of our 4 TV Channels that are free to air (NZ having only Free to Air and Sky), have jumped to American Newtworks. One is ABC, the other is sort of a mix of Local, CNN and BBC.

Our Prime Minister, Helen Clark was on her way to a metting in Rome. It was said earlier in the day she would stay in Rome and go to a summit. The summit was cancelled, so she's coming back to NZ.

There have been pilots on TV voicing concern that some nutter will get a plane and lauch a copycat attack versus our Parliament. Speaking of our Parliament, the NZ Beehive was in session today, starting only an hour later than usual.

The news of the terrorist attack reached NZ at 1am local time. In the morning, the radio was buzzing about it. Local Airports have been locked down, and flights are in turmoil. Our violate Air NZ, having being the previous news crisis, has dropped off the radar, and seemingly, the stock market as well. Bye-buh Ansett.

The stock market finished down at 5%. Which was a "reflectin of the world markets".

Our American Embassy was Locked Down, and had it's perimeter patrolled by security staff and local police.

We had a local expert on terrorism saying "New Zealand is not a stragetically important place, and therefore not a terrorist target".

And if that's not relevant enough to this discussion for you Americans, note that the country I live in, New Zealand, has only 3 and three quarters million people living in it, and is tucked away in the southern hemisphere to the East of Australia. That's almost half the world away, and, these reactions may not look much, but we are a sleepy nation, and this is probably the biggest thing in NZ's history of reaction to terrorism since the 1981 Springbok Tour in NZ (bet none of you knew about that....) or the Rainbow Warrior, despite the fact it was on American Soil.

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There's many problems with this Nostradamus quote.

"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures,

The fortress(es) didn't endure.

the great leader will succumb",

No prominent leaders were killed, AFAIK.

"The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"
- Nostradamus 1654

All of Nostradamus' prophecies are ridiculously vague. Notice how no one "discovers" what he predicted until after it happens?

I've also heard that this wasn't even a real Nostradamus prophecy, just an Internet hoax that was made up today. The way Charizard talked about a different version strengthens this claim.

jedi_DOJ:
If we start retaliating (and blaming) without evidence, we are just as bad as those that did this.

Umm, no. Terrorist bombings are several orders of magnitude worse than false blame.

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While the planning of the attacks seemed to be good, there was either no intent of coordination or it couldn't be carried out. Evidence of this is with the timing of the attacks on the towers. If it was coordinated, both planes would have hit at the same time.

Or maybe they figured they do enough damage without having to collapse the towers right away. They might not even have known if they'd collapse or not. Eighteen minutes apart seems pretty "coordinated" to me, not to mention the other two hijackings.

The resources needed for the hijacking aren't much more extensive than what is needed for a car bombing. The knowledge needed to fly a plane to a destination after it is airborne (flaps, thrust, compass) is less than is needed to construct a car bomb and easier to come by.

I disagree. Commercial passenger jets have incredibly complicated controls. The terrorists would've either had to coerce the pilots to do their bidding (extremely unlikely, according to the airline people that I saw interviewed) or spend a lot of time learning to fly the planes themselves.

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Some girl at my school said a fourth plane hit Camp David and that today was the anniversary of the signing of the Camp David Accords...

The plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was supposedly heading for Camp David, according to some reports.

The Pentagon was on fire for a long time

It's still on fire as I write this.

I thought that they would have been more prepared for something like that, but considering it's the largest government building having under 100 fatalities isn't horrible.

The last report I saw said that they estimated 800 dead at the Pentagon.

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Well, as far as allegations that we're on the way to being invaded, I talked this over during break with my boss.

Any foolass motherfucker that wanted to overtly fly aircraft or subs or carriers to our border will have to traverse massive chunks of ocean: Giving us ample time to see them in one way or another and put an end to their charade before it's performed. Also, anything that actually made it to the border would have to deal with not only our military, but our civilians too. The right to keep and bear arms, my friends. There'd be old women with 10 guage shotguns and kids with 10/22's all ready to shoot some shit.


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quote:
Originally posted by White Cat:
I've also heard that this wasn't even a real Nostradamus prophecy, just an Internet hoax that was made up today. The way Charizard talked about a different version strengthens this claim.

From my lookings into it, this is true. From the transcripts of Nostradamus's work, I cannot find anything resembling that. There are a multitude of versions of that floating around, further strengthening this view. Then there is the fact that Nostradamus died before the date that is quoted by many versions of that quatrain.

[Edit] And I'm supported in my view by http://www.nostradamus-repository.org/cityofgod.html

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Bin Laden probably did it, but won't claim responsibility. Possible reason: he can say the States used him as a scapegoat and therefore gather support from already somewhat anti-American countries, forming a unified front.

However, this seems unlikely, given the almost universal world outcry. ...Unless the States starts threatening all the Middle Eastern countries, which could cause big trouble. Huge trouble.

As for the method, I think it was intended to be purposefully less devastating than it could have been. Biological/chemical warfare could have been used, and given the fact that 4 planes were successfully hijacked simultaneously, the orchestration required to pull off a bio/nuclear/god knows what else attack may not be as difficult as previously anticipated, nor the resources as difficult to obtain. Kind of like saying: "if we can get this through your security, imagine what we can do if you force us to."

Terrorists willing to die for their cause could infect themselves with a strain of... something, and simply pass it on through contact. How could we control that? The technology exists.

The ball's in the US court now, and I hope everything goes well.

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Well, as blatantly stated by Dubbya this morning, he considers this an act of war, and he apparently wants blood. While I don't blame him, I just pray that he doesn't do anything rash. He could potentially destroy the world depending on whether or not he points the finger toward the right parties responsible.
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Apparently the reason the plane went down in Pennsylvania was because some pissed off passengers attacked the terrorists while they were attempting to pilot the plane.
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I don't mean to be overly contentious, but...

quote:
Originally posted by White Cat:

Or maybe they figured they do enough damage without having to collapse the towers right away. They might not even have known if they'd collapse or not. Eighteen minutes apart seems pretty "coordinated" to me, not to mention the other two hijackings.

I suppose I should have specified how exactly I meant coordinated. It was in the more immeadiate sense, as in communication immeadiately before or during the activities. This attacks were well-planned ahead of time.

For their activities, nothing more was needed. The apocalyptic imagery from just after the collapse of both Trade Center towers was probably all that the terrorists really wanted out of the attacks.

quote:

I disagree. Commercial passenger jets have incredibly complicated controls. The terrorists would've either had to coerce the pilots to do their bidding (extremely unlikely, according to the airline people that I saw interviewed) or spend a lot of time learning to fly the planes themselves.

The controls of a commercial passenger jet are far less complicated if you're not intending to use the jet to safely go between one landing area and another. The terrorists would have no need to learn about take-off and landing procedures and the extra controls needed for that. They would have no need to learn about all of the different warning systems and controls that could be used for the few corrective actions that could be taken (they're not going to care if the hydraulic fluid pressure for the flaps in the right wing is low, if the plane won't turn one way they can turn it around the other way). They're not going to need to know about the systems for long-range navigation. All they need to know for navigation is exactly what direction their target is from where they take off and where the compass is. If you're not intending to talk to anyone outside of the plane, there's also no need to learn how to use the radio.

Eliminating those things that the terrorists wouldn't need in this case, it's not very difficult to fly those jets. It wouldn't take that long to learn what they need to fly the jets under those limited conditions, even less if they were already trained in flying smaller aircraft.

On another note, someone in this thread has already the issue of biological warfare. If anybody was watching the show "60 minutes" on the Sunday before this last one, they would have seen a story there about biological warfare via Smallpox. Among other things, the Russian scientist who was being interviewed noted that the Soviets had been producing Smallpox for their biological weapons program. He is aware that that one of the scientists at the lab that he worked at took equipment and samples of the Smallpox virus after the fall of the Soviet Union and went to Iraq. Smallpox could cause quite a few problems since immunizations in the US have not been available since the mid 1970's (since it was believed that the disease had been wiped out). The disease also kills 1 out of 3.

While Saddam has not been known to do things that have are likely to cause him to be attacked personally, this does represent a potential threat. It would be in everyone's best interest if, once we are certain of who is responsible for Tuesday's attacks, they are completely eliminated as soon as possible. If that is done, such potential threats will remain as only potential threats.


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Last I heard, the feds found a flying school in Florida where the hijackers might have trained. They're looking into it now, and they may actually have the names of some suspects. Whether any of the suspects are still alive ((obviously not the ones who did the actual hijacking)), or whether anyone has any idea who the hijackers worked for...I haven't a clue.

BTW, about the prophecy shit. Regardless of whether or not the thing's a hoax, I disagree with White Cat's arguments.

The fortress(es) didn't endure.

The Pentagon got blowed up real good, but keep in mind, a large amount of it is underground, and only one side of the building was completely wiped out. It took one hell of a lot of damage, yes, but unlike the Twin Towers, it was left standing. The White House, which was untouched, could also be another interpretation of "The Fortress."

No prominent leaders were killed, AFAIK.

Great Leader = USA. And don't tell me that this didn't knock us all to our knees. This was a huge blow to us, both as a nation and as human beings. We have not surrendered or been destroyed, but we did succumb in a way when this generation saw evidence for the first time that America isn't invincible.

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I figured that these prophecies aren't based on this one day alone.

A great leader will succumb, Nostradamus says.

Question is, who is the great leader?

Could be Bush. Could be the entire US of A.

Heck, it could mean that Osama Bin Laden is the great leader.

Quite open to interpretation.

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Its a bunch of BS look

Two brothers, Holyfields ears
Torn by War, The match
The fortress, His whole body
Great leader, The ref

It can be applied to most anything


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My Language Arts teacher said that people found the luggage of one of the suspects. When they opened the suitcase, it had a Airplane Flying Manual which was in Arabic, a Fuel Calculator to see how much Fuel was in the plane, and a Quran=/
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quote:
Originally posted by Rysto:
This is so unreal. It's like a goddamned Clancy book, or some stupid movie.

Exactly. My first reaction was that it was EXACTLY like Executive Orders, except that in the book the target was the White House, and in life the target was Pentagon+Twin Towers (BTW, the book was written by Tom Clancy)

A couple of people thought that, when they first saw it, that it was just a preview of a movie or something. :P


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quote:
Originally posted by Lieutenant Aerodactyl:

Exactly. My first reaction was that it was EXACTLY like Executive Orders, except that in the book the target was the White House, and in life the target was Pentagon+Twin Towers (BTW, the book was written by Tom Clancy)


......

The news said that the White House was one of the planned targets. depending on who you listen to, it wass either the original target of the pentagon plane, or the target of the one that crashed in Pennsylvania.

Also, something to think about:

Retaliation against the terrorists is necessary, but killing innocents that merely live in their country is wrong. If Osama bin-Laden is responsible, hutn him down and kill him. If the Taliban protects him, overthrow the Taliban. But randomly killing innocnet Afghan civilians or raining nukes down on Afghanistan is definitely NOT the answer.

Oh yeah, the remaining few stories of the southern tower just collapsed.

And NATO leaders consider the attack against all of NATO, not just against the US.

Finally, the cloud of smoke is big enough to be seen from space.

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I thought Nostradamus' prediction was about Edge vs. Christian.
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I thought it was Flay vs the Iron Chef. I forgot his name ^_^
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I thought it was Pikachu vs. Raichu.

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quote:
Originally posted by Zerot:
I thought it was Flay vs the Iron Chef. I forgot his name ^_^

First of all, his name was Morimoto. Second of all, you rule. =D

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White Cat, I had heard on the news that the Pentagon fire had been put out and that there were about 80 fatalities. That's why I hate the news. Just like the election they're spreading rumors as facts.

I doubt the plane was heading for Camp David because no one would be there. The WTC has 50k people (each/total?) and the Pentagon has a fuck load. Who would be at Camp David?


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David...?

Yes, I DO rule.


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Who would be at Camp David?

I just want to reply and say... If you were watching a news broadcast, like CNN, abc, or even listening to the radio, you would understand that the terrorists (Hell, terrorists in general) merely want to scare the shit out of us, keep America on its toes, and make us feel anguish.

If Camp David were in fact hit, do you honestly think it would make a difference if people were there or not? I think not... Bottom line, America has been hit, it shows our weakness, and it can't be casually cast aside.

EDIT: Motherfuck. More buildings are at risk of falling. Shit.

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Yep, building #5 I believe.

I must say im horrified and impressed. They chose domestic flights to hijack probably mainly for the more lax security and irony as a bonus. The largest planes with the maximum fuel loads, even if the impact doesn't take out the building, the fires (did). And I was always under the (stereotype?) impression that the Pentagon had SAMs.

Even here in Toronto we were affected yesterday. All major buildings and CN tower evacuated along with the University of Toronto (which is right around the US consulate). Every TV on campus tuned to CNN with tens of people just glued to the screen, watching those huge towers just go byebye.

Last I heard the NATO treaty (or some part of it) has been activated. So whoever is under the crosshairs of I think 2 carrier groups... yikes.


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Lieutenant Aerodactyl, why do you think that I chose that particular author? btw, it was Debt of Honor. Executive Orders is the aftermath of that.

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quote:
Originally posted by Yavarice:
And I was always under the (stereotype?) impression that the Pentagon had SAMs.


They will now.


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NASDAQ HQ was in Building Five.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bowser:
My Language Arts teacher said that people found the luggage of one of the suspects. When they opened the suitcase, it had a Airplane Flying Manual which was in Arabic, a Fuel Calculator to see how much Fuel was in the plane, and a Quran=/

Please tell me what school you are going to.

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Dammit...I live in connecticut and just seeing the 2nd plane crash into the first tower...live was more than i could handle as an american. What stopped any of us from taking a day off, or a feild trip to the WTC? Wut stopped that plane from crahs landing into Hartford, or your home town? These ppl who died in the attacks...they're victims, but those who died trying to save others, godammit, they're heroes. Faceless heroes, we all wont remember who they were, or even where they were from, but we WILL remember why they died. And we WILL remember what they died for. Up till yesterday, in my life, i had never felt a pure, and true hatred for ANYTHING. Now i do, i dont care who they were, Why they did it, or how they thought of it. All i care about is payback. The terrorists *WILL* pay Fuck them, they harbored the devil himself there, so it's theiur problem, not mine. As an american, i have never felt this patriotic, this strong this PROUD to live hin the USA. I am exstatic at the way america reponded to this, I dont know who sed this or why, but "We are statues, held together by solid stone, grim with loss, but we remain unmoved," we may not hav seen the worst of this...but godammit, come what may, i will never EVER cower in fear because i live in the God damned best country there is! and i say this w/ the utmost pride and honor God bless america

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Well, the above message aside, I'm happy to see that most of you are behaving quite well.

Some random thoughts:

The Nostradamus thing is total BS...use your heads, people.

Seeing Bush quoting the Bible drove me absolutely up the wall. What a nice way to express the solidarity of our nation by quoting a passage from a specific holy text that not all Americans put their faith into. Never mind the Church and State thing.

If people want to hold prayer sessions or express their religious opinions or deal with things in ways specified by their particular religious affiliation, that's cool, but the leader of our nation should keep his nose out of it, when acting in an official capacity. Dubya, if you want to go to church services on your own, as a citizen, that's fine, but don't quote the friggin' Bible when you're speaking for the nation.

Apparently, steering a plane is not difficult, altho they did require specific knowledge of how to turn off emergency transmitters. I don't suppose that info is too difficult to get, if you set your mind to it. As someone else mentioned, the hard parts are taking off and landing and clearly they didn't need knowledge of how to do either.

As for the coordination of the attacks, they couldn't have had better timing with regards to the twin towers. The first attack put tons of cameras on the situation, so the second attack could be broadcast live all over the world.

Bin Laden, by the way, never claims responsibility for his actions, even the ones we know he was responsible for, so it doesn't mean much when we see that he hasn't claimed responsibility.

And, it does make sense...I mean, if you're a terrorist trying to make a point, you claim responsibility and when everyone's interviewing, you express your point of view. That's the whole point of the attacks...to get attention.

Bin Laden has stated that it is the duty of every Moslem to kill as many Americans as possible, the actions themselves are probably enough to satisfy him.

Also, personally, I am in favor of a disproportionate response. We need to go friggin' nuts on someone. We just need to be careful about how we do it...Afghanistan is right next to Pakistan and India and those guys have nukes.

We need to watch our step...


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With all the talk of everyone wanting to drop the nuke on the Middle East, I'd like to give everyone a grim reminder that Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East has been directly affected by these terrorist acts for years now, and for the past few months, almost daily. Nuking Arabs means nuking Israel. That means that the US loses their only ally in the Middle East, not to mention the second most powerful military in the world.

As for Dubya quoting the bible, that didn't phase me as much as others. Yeah, it was kinda iffy, but the Psalm that he quoted is used not only in religion (I know that we Jews sing it every week on Saturday evening before sundown), but it is also a highly used quote in poetry and prose alike. Psalm 23 is by far the most poetic Psalm there is, and that should be considered first. Not that I'm condoning it. I'm still reeling over PikaCharma's report of some dude preaching belief in Jesus at a non-denominational rally.

I'm overly impressed by the response so far. To be honest, when I started this topic, I didn't even know if I would be able to get a response this quickly. I never thought that we would hear from people in the New York vicinity any time soon. To all those on Azure, I personally thank you. What little faith I've had in humanity is now being balanced out for the better.

In the meantime, if you're looking for accurate times, don't even bother going to the news sites. We have a pretty good timeline here, accurate to whenever we could get to the computer. If I may, I'm going to be asking people to give regional reports. I know that Jumpman16 is at Harvard in Boston and I'm hoping he and whoever is in the Boston vicinity could give us a report. New Yorkers, Floridians, Marylanders, and Pennsylvanians and whoever else that may have any more information on regional developments, please keep everyone posted. Yavarice already did a pretty good job of summing up Toronto's response.

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Manhattan, pre-crash.

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quote:
The suicide bombings have increased. There's too many of them.

G.W. Bush
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Aug. 15, 2001

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quote:
Originally posted by John Lennon:
Imagine there is no countries.
It isn't hard to do.
Nothing to kill or die for
& no religion too.
Imagine all the people...
living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope someday you'll join us. And the world will live as one.



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quote:
"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most
generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.
Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of
the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying
even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France
was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up,
and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I
was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United
States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were
flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman
Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers
in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.
I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the
erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other
country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them?
Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why
does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the
moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk
about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American
technocracy, and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times and
safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs
right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their
draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and
most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American
dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. When the railways of France,
Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who
rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went
broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name
you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in
trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the
Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the
San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will
come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are
entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their
present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."
Stand proud, America



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Just in case any of you fruitcakes are still taking the Nostradamus thing seriously, the quote itself is a fake.
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That's an awesome quote, Sama. And K, that is fucking hilarious.

Let's hope that sometime within the next year Bin Laden will know the words to Control by Puddle of Mud by heart.


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They've been replaying that editorial for quite some time now on one of Toronto's radio stations. It's pretty scathing, and it's going to stick with me for a while. If you want to try and find the radio station, I think the website is www.cfrb1010.com or something of the like. 1010 AM for those who are keeping count.

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Quickly, I have some pictures I need edited that have aerial shots of the area in Manhattan. Go to www.mapquest.com for the types of stuff that I have. As soon as they will be mildy edited to highlight areas that I need highlighted, I will post these pictures. I am trying to find out the proximity of the WTC to the Orthodox Union building, the centre of Jewish Orthodoxy for the world, and for a huge portion of Judaism worldwide. The adress is 11 Broadway and I'm working on images to highlight the proximity.

While I'm at the topic, I don't want to sound ethnocentric while mentioning all these Jewish landmarks. I am well aware that this tragedy has extended much further than what I am currently worried about. However, I have priorities, just as much as everyone else does. First, I needed to find my family. Now I need to find my friends. Most of my friends in New York have direct connections to the Jewish Community, either being a part of it or close friends that are connected to it. Just as much as I'm sure different nationalities are looking for their individual casualties, I'm looking for my nation's casualties. Any help would be appreciated.

On that note, anyone who has any skill in computer graphics, I will send you the series of pictures that I have in a zip and you can edit them to highlight the building that I'm looking for. Mail me at shawntaub@yahoo.ca for more information.

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quote:

Does any other
country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them?



Britain and France invented Concorde, and that kicked the shit out of everything until some idiot left some crap on the runway.

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Here's an interesting opinion on the whole tragedy:
quote:
This was inevitable. Even without an evil, right wing, posturing president
and his retro band of hawks making frightening pronouncements and
destabilizing an already polarized world of crazy, ideologically driven,
suffering have-nots, surprise strikes against the American symbols of
global capitalism and military power were about to happen. The only "tragedy" is if the sons and daughters of privileged, educated, spoiled consumers in their gashog SUV's fail to understand that the enemy is not a place on the map or a man with a turban, but rather the human mind itself, or lack there of.

The war is a war of ideas about the human's place in the big scheme of things. I'm certainly no fan of fundamentalist Muslims, but then I'm no fan of fundamentalist Jews or Christians either. I'd like it if they left all the
reasonable people alone and proceeded to wipe each other out. Short of that
we're stuck with them. And since we're stuck with them and we're rich and
powerful with out equal on this planet, then we should lead by example. If
we say our way of life is better and more humane, then we should BE better
and more humane. That means not telling China to build up it's nuclear
arsenal, thereby starting an arms race with India and Pakistan. That means
not telling Russia we're going to break the ABM treaty and they can like it
or lump it. That means not telling the Palestinians that they'll have to
fend for themselves in the mid-east against Jewish fundamentalists while we
supply arms and $ to Isreal. These wretched, brainwashed souls can only
take so many repetitions of consumer excess and piss poor values before they
snap. Otherwise it's going to be "Oops, I did it again!"




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quote:
Originally posted by Psybro:

Britain and France invented Concorde, and that kicked the shit out of everything until some idiot left some crap on the runway.

This editorial speech was given before the invention of the Concorde, right after the Vietnam War.

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