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Rolken
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posted 12-18-2003 01:54 AM      Profile for Rolken   Author's Homepage   Email Rolken   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The whole point of the site is as a technical experiment by Meowth; he cares none about the people who actually use it, as evidenced by his complete disregard for the browser 90% of people use and his destruction of the community.

Just had to get that out there.

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Tghost
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posted 12-18-2003 05:05 AM      Profile for Tghost   Author's Homepage   Email Tghost   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's nice, Lolken. How long did it take you to figure that one out?

Meowth is a nice guy and all, but he's not god's gift to the Pokemon world. Cut the guy some slack, it's not like he owes anyone anything.

And for the record, IE is without a doubt an absolutely terrible browser with it's complete disregard for implementing CSS like it was designed to be implemented.

Plus the "community" destroys itself enough, so don't try and hoist blame on someone who wasn't interested in the "community" in the first place.

- Former Pokemon Forever Forum Moderator.

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Donald
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http://www.mozilla.org
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pika
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posted 12-18-2003 10:17 AM      Profile for pika   Author's Homepage   Email pika   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hmm saying pokefor sucks is not rally fair

a) it IS a technical experiment. HE does it because HE want's to and because HE has fun with it. I don't see why that's wrong though. Every hobby webmaster does this.

a-2) if ppl find it useful people may use it. If they don't - well so what it's not his fault. It's not right hie does not care either talk to him and he will usually respond.

b) in sipte of his IE bashing he actually implends hacks to make the page work with IE he even tests it with 3 different versions of ie. I don'T do that with my page. Anyway IE only pages (a lot of commercial sites are like that) are far worse

c) i don't think it's his fault the community falls(/fell?) apart.

maybe you should start your own webpage you may bash other pages then ^^ - it's right meowth does not like chats

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"PIKA OF ALL PEOPLE IS THE BIGGEST TWO-FACED ASSHOLE HERE. AS HE ALREADY DEMONSTRATED HE SAID THAT THERE IS A WAY TO MAX OUT ALL STATS COMPLETELY ABOVE 510. WELL DUH...! HOW WOULD HE KNOW THAT IF HE DIDN'T HACK IT HIMSELF?! LOL! PATHETIC!"
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Jman
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posted 12-18-2003 03:03 PM      Profile for Jman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I feel like going to an Opera!
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pika
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posted 12-18-2003 03:32 PM      Profile for pika   Author's Homepage   Email pika   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Opera and Mozilla are both very good choices [Smile] at least better than IE - but ie used to be the best browser back in the 4.0 - early 5.0 days

I use MozillaFirebird and Thunderbird for mails nowdays - it will take a while until these are mainstream but they will be if ms does not update ie anymore (like they said)

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"PIKA OF ALL PEOPLE IS THE BIGGEST TWO-FACED ASSHOLE HERE. AS HE ALREADY DEMONSTRATED HE SAID THAT THERE IS A WAY TO MAX OUT ALL STATS COMPLETELY ABOVE 510. WELL DUH...! HOW WOULD HE KNOW THAT IF HE DIDN'T HACK IT HIMSELF?! LOL! PATHETIC!"
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Dark_Herakurosu
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posted 12-18-2003 07:01 PM      Profile for Dark_Herakurosu   Author's Homepage   Email Dark_Herakurosu   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
IE is free. Opera = payage.

Mozilla = geeky.
Besides, what's so important about PokeFor anyway? Other than "hay look wut i kin do", not much you can't just look up for yourself.

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There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra today than on Alzheimer's research. This means that by 2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs, huge erections, and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them.

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posted 12-18-2003 09:51 PM      Profile for Crimzonite     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Dark_Herakurosu:
Besides, what's so important about PokeFor anyway? Other than "hay look wut i kin do", not much you can't just look up for yourself.

Hmm. It's one of the few sites whose Pokedex acknowledges the fact that the Red/Green Pokedex exists? Not that it's really that important. [Razz]
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posted 12-18-2003 10:07 PM      Profile for MK     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here is Meowth346's problem, I've said it before, he keeps findings to himself... he hoards much of what he finds...

He does contribute a lot, but he holds onto a lot as well... [Trash Bear]

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Jman
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posted 12-18-2003 10:50 PM      Profile for Jman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whats the deal? He's spent hours on this shit. Let him do as he pleases. He's probably the number one authority in the inner workings of the game. He has absolutely no obligation to share this with us.

Also Opera is free if you just let a stupid text banner in the corner. Its well worth it for the Forward/Backward mouse click shortcuts. People who use these shortcuts know what I'm talking about. Best. Fucking. Feature. Ever.

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Optimoz radialcontext.

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Hich loch faauto noxlattoyen.

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posted 12-19-2003 08:39 AM      Profile for Shining Arcanine   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The inability to restyle his site however he pleases via CSS when coding with IE in mind drove him nuts so now he is so fed up with IE's lack of standards support, he gave up on caring about it. I don't see how you can blame him. It is [u]his[/u] website after all.

Not to mention most of the information he gets he doesn't have time to put online in a nice format. Also, coding a PHP Pokedex isn't easy. It is very time consuming especially if you are memory restricted (hosts like to put a limit on how much RAM your php scripts use). I would know since I coded one myself.

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pika
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posted 12-19-2003 11:28 AM      Profile for pika   Author's Homepage   Email pika   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
OpenSource = Geeky? I don't agree that's just not true anymore.

About meowth keeping things to himself - basicly that's his choice too if he thinks publishing raw-adresses/encryption is no good for the game - he does not need to publish that stuff. For example he does not publish gsa codes although he could make them in a few seconds.
I personally think people should be able to use THEIR games in any way they want and the way they enjoy it most (that's what i really hate about all these new copyright laws - they prevent you from doing whatever you want with YOUR stuff you're not even allowed to research how it's working - but that's a different story) so I published GSA codes. Meowth on the other hand sais cheating is bad and he does not want to support it so he keeps raw addresses to himself.

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"PIKA OF ALL PEOPLE IS THE BIGGEST TWO-FACED ASSHOLE HERE. AS HE ALREADY DEMONSTRATED HE SAID THAT THERE IS A WAY TO MAX OUT ALL STATS COMPLETELY ABOVE 510. WELL DUH...! HOW WOULD HE KNOW THAT IF HE DIDN'T HACK IT HIMSELF?! LOL! PATHETIC!"
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pika
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posted 12-19-2003 11:32 AM      Profile for pika   Author's Homepage   Email pika   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
oh the script for an Online Pokedex is the fun part - converting the data to mysql is the annoying part

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"PIKA OF ALL PEOPLE IS THE BIGGEST TWO-FACED ASSHOLE HERE. AS HE ALREADY DEMONSTRATED HE SAID THAT THERE IS A WAY TO MAX OUT ALL STATS COMPLETELY ABOVE 510. WELL DUH...! HOW WOULD HE KNOW THAT IF HE DIDN'T HACK IT HIMSELF?! LOL! PATHETIC!"
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posted 12-22-2003 05:22 PM      Profile for Shining Arcanine   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, getting data is the hard part. ^_^;; I am not sure how I will pull together the location data for it even through I know how the internal location system for the game works...

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Tenshi no Myu
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posted 12-23-2003 03:40 AM      Profile for Tenshi no Myu   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Man, I love how when you make a website for fun with info about something you like on it, its not long before other people start assuming you're doing all that crap for their benefit and start screaming when you 'let the world down' or whatever but not doing what they want w/it.

Sheesh.

[ 12-23-2003, 03:40 AM: Message edited by: Tenshi no Myu ]

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posted 01-04-2004 12:53 AM      Profile for Thom Burr   Email Thom Burr   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm of two minds. Meowth346 is never going to be canonized as Saint of Pokemon Research. But he has not nominated himself, either, nor does he even hint at any desire for the job.

He let his "community" die, but it's not clear that he ever really wanted one, and to the extent that he did, he wanted a very, very well-behaved one. I assume he just terminated that experiment when either A) it took too much of his time of B) it failed. And anyway--last time I checked--it still survives, in part, as comments in his "Updates" section.

He hoards his info, sure, but maybe he's not entirely sure of the validity of much of it. He's made mistakes in the past, and it's not like there are many people he can compare notes with. Or maybe he's simply very snippy. Who cares? If Meowth346 has certain info, all that means is that anyone else can do what he has done to obtain the info. It's not like he's got Gamefreak's programmers imprisoned in his basement.

As for his current site, it works perfectly on my outdated computure with a dial-up connection, so I'm not sure I understand the nature of the technical complaints.

I confess, Meowth346 used to gall me, but after I stoppped looking at him as a Respected Expert or a Grumbling Pedant or even a Normal Person, I was able to enjoy his unique style much better. These days, I think of him as Mad Scientist. Extremely annoying most of the time, but every now and then he delivers a gravitron retrotransmogrifier for free, and you realize he's definitely worth the patience.

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posted 01-04-2004 06:56 AM      Profile for pika   Author's Homepage   Email pika   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i still don't get what's so annoying about him. Just becaue he is good at hacking? Because he made mistakes? (only someone who does nothing never makes mistakes)
what is it?

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"PIKA OF ALL PEOPLE IS THE BIGGEST TWO-FACED ASSHOLE HERE. AS HE ALREADY DEMONSTRATED HE SAID THAT THERE IS A WAY TO MAX OUT ALL STATS COMPLETELY ABOVE 510. WELL DUH...! HOW WOULD HE KNOW THAT IF HE DIDN'T HACK IT HIMSELF?! LOL! PATHETIC!"
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posted 01-04-2004 02:37 PM      Profile for Shining Arcanine   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pokefor was created so he could learn about valid xhtml, valid css, php, C++, the assembly that makes the pokemon games, etc.

Personally, I think he is the world's foremost expert on pokemon research even if he doesn't reveal everything to the public. Why should he?

Btw, does anyone know where he is? I haven't seen him online or see him update PokeFor for weeks.

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Had you bothered to read the updates, you'd know he's in the process of moving.
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Rolken
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posted 01-06-2004 01:40 AM      Profile for Rolken   Author's Homepage   Email Rolken   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow, I completely forgot that I posted this.

I know Mozilla >>>> IE; I use Firebird/Thunderbird.

"Also, coding a PHP Pokedex isn't easy. It is very time consuming especially if you are memory restricted (hosts like to put a limit on how much RAM your php scripts use). I would know since I coded one myself."

"maybe you should start your own webpage you may bash other pages then ^^"

Maybe you shouldn't assume I haven't. And I know how horrid it is to have to bend back for IE's retarded non-compliance, but... uh... more later.

If the "mouse forward/back" thing is referring to rocker gestures, that's why Firebird has extensions, one (several?) of which grants that.

I honestly didn't really care about / visit the community. So, uh, never mind. I inferred from a few people that it was a Bad Thing he had done.

"[It's not meant to be godly, it was just an experiment, etc. etc.]"

Yeah, sure, fine and good. But that doesn't change the fact that, for the purposes of a typical website, and therefore for anyone except for him, it sucks. It's not necessarily indicative of his maliciousness, but it is indicative of its irrelevance.

Largely I'm frustrated that the site is SO VERY CLOSE to being good, if he didn't break it with esoteric stuff.

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You don't look like an Ethan to me. In fact, you remind me of Yay Porygon, who you probably are.
I would have never thought that Meowth346 had a beard, then again by now he might have shaved it.

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posted 01-11-2004 04:59 PM      Profile for Tenshi no Myu   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow, Meowth's kinda cute ^___^

*ducks thrown objects*

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posted 01-14-2004 11:47 AM      Profile for incompetent   Author's Homepage   Email incompetent   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now how were you able to find that picture?

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that pic scares me

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Hey you fucking bitch, ET, I know you spread that. And Ethan, give credit where it's goddamn due. I WILL HAVE YOU BOTH KILLED. Especially you ET. Not that I mind the picture out, just realize that that's MY picture and MY mommy at San Diego Wildlife Park.

And thank you folks for visiting Inc and I's website in his profile. =) Wouldn't've found somebody posting my picture here without it. And I was out of people to threaten mindlessly.

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A picture of Meowth in an "I hate pokefor" thread, well that's nice.

I find Pokefor to be useful, and Meowth's hatred of IE is perfectly understandable. If you disagree, don't use IE, or just don't care. I use both IE and Mozilla to browse and I don't really care about the difference. If you hate the damn website just don't visit it, what right do you have to complain about it? You don't like the legendary goatse webpage, you may even hate it, but you can't do anything about its existence. There's no point to complain.

As far back as I can remember people have been bitching about pokefor because Meowth wouldn't put up some information people needed ever so desperately. Like when he had the Celebi code for Crystal and everyone hated him for not releasing it. I don't blame him, given the way people acted towards him. He didn't let the community die, or even lose control of it, he killed it. I would have too. The forum got way out of hand, meh to Tghost the last remaining Moderator other than Meowth himself. It was no longer...fun. Plus there was a gap between the release of GSC and RuSa, so of course the crowd dwindled in experience and newbies or whatever you want to call them ran amok.

Ethan and the picture: What the hell possible purpose does that image have to serve? "Oh here's meowth, let's make fun of him"? That's the only reason I can think of for such a posting, especially at Azure. How did you find it anyway? Did that awful being that I love to hate named Ian Garvey link you to it like Pory says? I doubt you'll post again in this topic but I might as well ask the question.

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YP is kinda cute.

Meowth looks like he is hunting human souls.

That tree is giving me wood.

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