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You're missing the point, MK. Pokemon= Pocket Monsters. This game is meant to be played on the GB(A).

Everything that comes out on a homeconsole concerning PKMN, should just be like an add-on. Like Stadium. Like the Box.

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oh no S is coming with his pocket monster stuff again...

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STFU, my dear PPG.

We already had this conversation... [Wink]

Just you wait, man. June...

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quote:
Originally posted by Ferquin:
quote:
Originally posted by White Cat:
Don't be ridiculous. All your Pokemon in Crystal are still just as good as they've always been. And just how many RPG's allow you to carry your characters over to the sequel, anyway?

I still wanted to see how they'd compare to the new Ru/Sa Pokémon. I WANT MY DAMNED SNORLAX!!

In any case, the whole backwards-compatibility thing was really really appealing to me. I thought for sure that there'd be some way to keep that going. I mean, I thought that the others were still coded into Ru/Sa, right? This still sucks. I wanted to have fun breeding my Crystal Pokémon and having their offspring join up with my Ruby team. I miss my Snorlax! [Frown]

And to answer the other question, Golden Sun. And in a way, The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons.

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And I'm 99.6% sure that the other 184 Pokemon will eventually be catchable via GameCube Stadium or whatever.

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I think that sometime in the future, they will make a way for the old Pokemon to transfer to the new game.

One reason takes a little thought. They expanded the DV's, but did it from 0 to 31, or 32 different values. The old games went from 0 to 15, or 16 values. It would be simple to transfer the DV's by multiplying the Old DV by 2, and either adding 1 or not adding one. This would fit the 0 through 31 bill easily. Natures can be given randomly, and Abilities are hard coded or random if there are more than one.

How the game will handle transfers "back in time", or from RS to the other games, seems almost as simple. For DV's, divide by 2, and chop off any decimals. The Natures and Abilities can just be forgotten.

A few other transfers taken care of, and the Transfer of Pokemon between versions is almost easy.

The only thing I see as a problem would be the transfer of EV's, since in the old games, there was no limit to EV's, and all stats could be max. They may just either reset the EV's, to be retrained again, or just Transfer them (with a divied by 255), and then leave the DV's at there minus status (like, a DV of 15 would just translate to 30, with no possibility of ever being 31). I am not sure about that.

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So what would keep you from trading back and forth until you got a nature you wanted? Also, what would happen to the gender value and the HP and SP.DEF IVs? And the secondary ID number? And the contest condition, and the ribbons...

Personally, I think it'd suck to have a pokémon that won a ribbon in an official tournament to inadvertently lose it if you traded it backwards. Also, what about items that don't exist in R/S, like Berserk Gene? Would that just be limited like the moves? Same with Mail?

I don't even think there's enough unused spare data to pull off something similar to the held-item trick they did with RBY-GSC trading.

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I guess I was just saying that it is possible, not probable. I would really like it myself if I could trade my old favorites up, so I guess my last post was just wishful thinking.

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Do what the original beta plan was with RBY to GS trading... make it a one way transfer... you can send a Snorlax to RuSa from RBYGS, but when you do, you get NO poke in return, and/or RuSa cannot send to the past... a one way trip prevents trading over and over to get the traits you want it to have...

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quote:
Originally posted by veloS:
You're missing the point, MK. Pokemon= Pocket Monsters. This game is meant to be played on the GB(A).

Everything that comes out on a homeconsole concerning PKMN, should just be like an add-on. Like Stadium. Like the Box.

What with not being able to have the previous 184 monsters, the box is looking like a big waste now. It seems rather silly to have space for 1500 Pokémon when you only have the 200 available to you in Ru/Sa.

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Only a couple of reasons I want the box...

*possible dodrio mode
*nice way to store excess pokes
*my hex editor that comes with my USB memory card 'nuff said

Seriously, you all need to buy one of the USB memory cards... it's essentially a gameshark for any gamecube game, and I'll just change a couple of magikarps in box 12 into some Dittos and Snorlaxi

If anyone wants info on how/where to buy one let me know and I'll try to get you the info...

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So why not just buy a GameShark?
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quote:
Originally posted by MK:
Snorlaxi

Snorlaxen.

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So why not just buy a GameShark?

Because it's cooler to connect your GBA to your computer, use freeware, open-source hex-editors to do their work the long, tedious way.

The same reason people choose Linux over Windows.

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Thanks Char

Some semi-good news, we'll know more about pkmnbox soon, Japan's getting yet another demo disc for the gamecube and it has like a 2 min footage of the box on it...

http://cube.ign.com/articles/395/395093p1.html

We'll get a full stadium later I'm sure, and it better be good, online too...

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It'd be great if it was online, but I kinda doubt Nintendo's online "plan" as in "no real plan to ever go online". As much as I love Nintendo, they just plain don't get it about online gaming. They'll never really get around to actually implementing it. They're just dragging their feet and letting the other systems get ahead yet again. But I digress...

Maybe on the next system, we'll have online Pokémon. Of course by then, man will have colonized space and we'll all have flying cars. [Roll Eyes]

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Tradeforward would break the game apart. I mean, it would give RBY pokes a really unfair advantage, giving them access to about 100 different TMs instead of 50. Same thing for GSC pokes. All our beloved new RS duders would become almost useless in comparison to the more versatile RBYGSC ones. Therefore, I think it's better to just leave it that way.
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You know that we would have 3 different metagames then and I'd be happy as punch...

*RuSa only... no past influence
*RuSa catchable only, but old moves/tms ok for the 202
*RBYGSCRuSa galore! Anything goes!

(I personally want number 3)

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I don't think that the RBY Pokémon would have a bigger advantage with more TMs. Look at all the wacky type mixes in the metallics and gematics. If anything, the newer Pokémon have more advantages, and they have much more interesting moves that they can learn on their own anyway or can have bred into them. I'm totally for an all out anything goes with all TMs for all Pokémon. Makes for much more interesting movesets and ultimately, more surprising battles.

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quote:
Originally posted by Fluorine:
Tradeforward would break the game apart. I mean, it would give RBY pokes a really unfair advantage, giving them access to about 100 different TMs instead of 50. Same thing for GSC pokes. All our beloved new RS duders would become almost useless in comparison to the more versatile RBYGSC ones. Therefore, I think it's better to just leave it that way.

There is a way to change this for the best. Gamefreak could program it so that all 386 Pokemon can learn from all three TM sets. Add to this a Move Tutor that gives you access to both of the previous TM sets and you can have all sorts of combinations.
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Ferquin: If anything, the newer Pokémon have more advantages, and they have much more interesting moves that they can learn on their own anyway or can have bred into them.

The old Pokemon get access to the same "interesting moves" through leveling and breeding, too.

Crimzonite: There is a way to change this for the best. Gamefreak could program it so that all 386 Pokemon can learn from all three TM sets. Add to this a Move Tutor that gives you access to both of the previous TM sets and you can have all sorts of combinations.

Oh, the humanity! Won't somebody please think of the Pokedex-maker!?!?

(Edit: Sorry for misattributing the Crimzonite quote to you, SDS.)

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That would be sick. Hilarious, but sick. *wants Counter on everything*

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quote:
Originally posted by White Cat:
The old Pokemon get access to the same "interesting moves" through leveling and breeding, too.

True, but the newer Pokémon still have a lot of wacky dual types that make up for teaching old Pokémon new tricks. Water/Grass? Fighting Psychic? Rock/Grass? And of course Dark and Steel types helped to balance things out.

Newer Pokémon have a lot of advantages. Yeah, the old Pokémon can catch up, but you have to admit, GameFreak did a great job of trying to balance things out.

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I don't understand how the new dual types give new pokemon an advantage. Old pokemon also have interesting types. For example, there is the electric type (I count three new fully evolved electric types in RS, and they all suck), water/fighting, rock/dark, electric/flying, ice/flying, fire/flying, ice/psychic, poison/ground, steel/ground, steel/flying. None of these exist for the new pokes. I don't think it matters, anyway, but I'm just placing things into perspective, you know.
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Plus, the new pokes with good types get stuck with bad stats.....

Sableye and Medichamp and stuff... all bad stats [Frown]

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quote:
Originally posted by White Cat:


SDS: There is a way to change this for the best. Gamefreak could program it so that all 386 Pokemon can learn from all three TM sets. Add to this a Move Tutor that gives you access to both of the previous TM sets and you can have all sorts of combinations.

I didn't say this. In fact, I'm against this.

Also, how would the older Pokemon have an unfair advantage?

Maybe the words "Thunder Wave TM" might bring something up.

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Pokémon is cool because you can raise and train your favorites... when I can't train a Bulbasaur, a Snorlax, or an Eevee of any kind something is seriously wrong...

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All I really want is my Snorlax brothas to roam free in the fields of Hoenn to eat and sleep as they please. Is that so wrong?

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Yes. It kinda is.

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Then I don't wanna be right.

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Get some new faves.

*huggles Milotic and Swellow*

*slides on spiked armor*

*huggles Cacturne*

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a Bulbasaur
Treecko is a Grass starter who starts out a badass who doesn't take crap from no one, then ends up evolving into a rather disappointing form.

a Snorlax
Slaking is a big, lazy, overweight Normal type with brutal attacking capabilities. Except he exchanges being cute for extra laziness.

or an Eevee of any kind
Eevee - Delcatty looks similiar, and has sub-par stats.
Flareon - Blaziken has good Attack stats, poor Defense stats.
Jolteon - Manectric. 'nuff said.
Vaproen - Milotic? Work with me. R/S is flooded (roffle) with Water types.
Umbreon - Dusclops. Not a Dark type, but it's pretty close.
Espeon - Gardevoir. Minus a few attacks.

They aren't all that close to the originals, but they're close enough.

R/S is meant to give us a fresh start, and to get ourselves familiar with new Pokemon, so we could get new favourites.

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Wouldn't Snorlax's Ru/Sa equivalent be a Wailord? The difference of course is that Wailord is a Water type. But they share similar characteristics like being immense and rich with HP.

Still, Wailord ain't no Snorlax. They're more loveable - like a big sumo-wrestlin' cat.

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Sumo wrestling animal?

Hariyama, come on down!!

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Hmm... Forgot about Hariyama.

But for me, Snorlax is still a ton of fun. I guess I'll keep waiting for that magical transfer dealie so I can bring over my Snorlax's offspring. I've pretty much stopped playing Ruby until it happens.

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haha loser
also, wailrod is SHIT

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See for me, the problem is that none of the new Pokemon seem to catch my attention as much as the old ones did. Almost all of the new Pokemon are intentionally cute, Digi-mon like, or goofy in appereance. While the old Pokemon are a lot cooler. I don't want a fucking Manectric, I want a Jolteon. And I don't want a Goddamn Roselia, I want a Vileplume.
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Well, seeing as Vileplume is IN the 200, I don't think you can bitch about it being missing.

Now, if you're a Victreebel fanboy (lol), then I'd listen to you.

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I think Muffin King explained what I guess I've been thinking all along that I couldn't really put to words. I do want a Jolteon instead of that weird-ass looking Manectric. Sure, there's some Pokémon that were missing like cactii, sharks, and various other organisms. But many of the new ones are just really stupid, carbon copies of old ones. Why did we need a Clamperl when we already had Shellder/Cloyster? Or why a Spheal when we already had Seel? When I first saw pics of Combusken, I thought somehow, they snuck Digimon into the game.

Anyway, that's why I've kinda quit on Ruby for now and gone back to playing Crystal. It's just not as fun anymore, fresh start or not. I got into Pokémon because I liked the old R/B/Y ones. There were some great additions in G/S/C, but many of these Ru/Sa ones really blow. Yeah, I've taken a shine to Gardevoir and Sharpedo, but that's about it for the Ru/Sa Pokémon. GameFreak should've at least kept all the old 251 running wild in Ru/Sa along with the new ones instead of just a fraction of them. I wouldn't even have minded if we can't trade from old games if this were so, although, it'd kinda suck if we couldn't have the old starters, fossils, and the legendaries to fool around with. Aside from Snorlax, I do also miss flying around on a Charizard and surfing on a Lapras.

Oh, and yeah, I like Victrebell too. I take them over Vileplume or Bellossom any day. Deadly pitcher plant owns!

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posted 05-07-2003 01:06 PM      Profile for SDShamshel   Email SDShamshel   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It seems more like you don't like the new Pokemon due to some sort of bias that they'd be automatically inferior to the old ones.

I think that's just nostalgia talking, rather than any actual reasoning. If you haven't noticed, a lot of the original Pokemon concepts are potentially ass but we developed a liking to them. An ice woman thing with big lips? A ball with a face on it? A BOXER?

Part of the reason a lot of the Pokemon are similar, I think, is because most of the Pokemon from the main land Kanto and Johto regions don't live there, but do you expect such a place NOT to develop some form of serpent, or clam, or butterfly?

Again, it seems like you're going into Ruby already thinking that the new Pokemon are not as good as the old ones. Either that, or you've been jaded by being in the online Pokecommunity and like so many others have lost the ability to enjoy the game like you did 5 years ago.

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posted 05-07-2003 10:34 PM      Profile for Ferquin   Author's Homepage   Email Ferquin   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think it's a little of both to be honest, but I still retain the childlike wonder of being a master of various monsters and wandering around with my team. It's just, as I've said over and over, that I miss my goddamned Snorlax. I played Ruby all the way through and I admit that yeah, it's a little stale, but I really do love the new features of the game like the Contests, abilities, and natures. But for some reason, I just can't warm up to a lot of the new Pokémon, not necessarily because (to me) they're not as good as the old ones, but because they seem sorta half-assed and recycled in conception. Yeah, they fill in the gaps in places like type mixing and animal species, but yeah, I suppose I really am biased and still cling to the old Pokémon. It's just that I like the older ones more because I've "known" them for longer, like old friends. I like my new "friends" but it'll take a while before I can really accept them and get used to them. Like I said, I have really warmed up to having Gardevoir and Sharpedo and there's a few others that I like. But again, my main resentment is there's no goddamned Snorlax in this game!

I still like Ru/Sa, but not nearly as much as I loved the original games. You really can't top the originals because they came first, but you can sure come close. To me, G/S/C did better in the new Pokémon side of things (Piloswine is so badass! And so is Tyranitar!). Ru/Sa did better in the gameplay side of things (I really love the abilities, natures, and Contests). That's the long and short of it for me.

[ 05-07-2003, 10:42 PM: Message edited by: Ferquin ]

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