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dj_wolf
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posted 11-24-2000 12:05 AM
it is back!
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SDShamshel
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posted 11-24-2000 12:37 AM
But being this is G/S time, it's safe to say...Mewtwo is not cheap. Mewtwo may be a highest-special attack, virtually unpredictable due to his TM compatiblity, still good in all categories bastard of a Psychic, but definitely not cheap. ANYONE who says a Pokemon is cheap in Metallics deserves to be shot, and ran over repeatedly. ------------------ "I think I'll blow this scene, get everyone and their stuff together. Okay, 3, 2, 1, let's jam." AIM: Nobie20 ICQ: 71976989 [This message has been edited by SDShamshel (edited 11-24-2000).]
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FlamingMonkey645
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posted 11-24-2000 10:09 AM
*wonders why dj brought this back*
Hopefully now that Fanny's gone this ember won't torch anything more.
PDW Nedir [ 02-23-2019, 08:06 PM: Message edited by: FlamingMonkey645 ]
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Artie Cuno
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posted 11-24-2000 10:37 AM
Hopefully. But, SOME PEOPLE would do to listen to Karen in the G/S Elite Four. She says, "Strong Pokemon. Weak Pokemon. Only selfish trainers think like that. The best trainers win with their favorites." I happen to like Mewtwo, I think it's beautiful, same with Mew and Articuno. First time I saw them, I fell in love. OK? I use my faves, you use yours. Don't like Mewtwo, tell yer friends so they don't use it. Or, use it if you like it. 'Tis up to you, but don't act like an asshole to those who DO like it, just POLITELY ask them not to use it.------------------ ^_~ GO ARTIE! ~_^
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Gloomboy
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posted 11-24-2000 12:27 PM
Uhm,can I speak?Well,I've finally gotten tired of Mewtwo, basically because he's no longer anything compared to Espeon(my fave psychic,BTW), but I want to point out that I'll use him in Stadium(to get Surfing Pikachus) and GB(to train weaker Pokemon through the E4) only. I was worried that you people... (Suddenly goes into one of his stupid modes) LET'S GO BACK IN TIME TO WHEN POKEMON WAS CREATED AND FORCE SATOSHI-SAMA TO NOT WRITE MEWTWO! GET RID OF HIM IN THE GAME AND THE MOVIES! THEN THERE'LL NEVER BE A CHEAP-ASS! Brrr... Sorry about that,my dad says I say stupid things like that.  Now people are arguing about Lugia/Ho-Oh being cheap,especially in Pokemasters. ------------------ * GLOOMBOY: The Vileplume Trainer * AMY: "You gave up being study buddies for THIS?" Sailor Moon S: "Dangerous Driving"
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Footitch
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posted 11-24-2000 10:59 PM
hmm... a few things.1) dj_wolf, have you heard of punctuation? You sound like an 11-year-old. 2) Why did Mr. K nuke all the mlmiddleton and Fanha topics on the board? It took a lot of good stuff out of this thread (even if Fanha was an asshole, he was half the debate, and the newcomers will have no idea what this thing is about). 3) Gee, Sneakerton really made himself look like an asshole. I also notice a lot of people are getting respect in this thread from people who no longer respect them. I wonder why these things change... 4) That turkey was so good... I LOVE THAT GIRL! ------------------ -ƒøø†|†¢H "That depends on what the definition of the word 'is' is." - Bill Clinton "Do you want to be ass-raped with a granite dildo or a sandpaper condom?" - The Great Dreamer If you are already insane, then there is nothing to worry about.
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dj_wolf
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posted 11-25-2000 02:00 PM
sorry about that.I was a little tired at the time. Okay?
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Footitch
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posted 11-25-2000 06:43 PM
My SINCEREST apologies Mr. K.
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posted 11-26-2000 03:35 AM
10K = Funnest person ever to fight in pokemonSeriously, Our battles were hella tight. *Highlights -Kingler crab hammers Muk's ass -Fearow mirrors thunderwave -Porygon ownz T-wave, Recover, Conversion, Double Edge -Kangaskhan proves its self -Mr. Mime survives a rest Good timez. U1S1E1M1E1W1T1W1O1I1F1Y1O1U1A1R1E1A1C1U1N1T1
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posted 11-27-2000 01:25 PM
Well, this topic deserves it.
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posted 05-26-2001 03:29 PM
I have a problem with that whole Karen thing...I have never liked a weak pokémon, except Gyarados, and at that point I thought he was strong (I was a newbie), and therefore, will always rate pokémon on there strength, I slightly favor the water-type, but even so, I favor pokémon to strongly if they have a lot of power, perhaps you play different from me, because you ahve all been in major big tournaments, but since they refuse to come to Canada, I never get an oppurtunity to play in a tournament. My favoratism towards the water type, perhaps puts a small dent in my team, (I use 3 waters). ------------------ Alakazam!!! It's the Shop Wizard I'm your friendly guide to on-line comparison shopping! Type in what you want to buy and I will search through all the shops in the market to find you the best prices! (I search a different section of the market each time to get more results!)
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posted 05-28-2001 02:07 AM
Let it die already.
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Mick_Hale
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posted 05-30-2001 09:13 AM
Cesar counted 257 posts before. Now it is at 191. Just goes to show how many posts Fanha had.
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posted 05-30-2001 09:21 AM
It's a little like 4 pages of people vehemently agreeing with each other... not quite, but close.
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MK
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posted 08-10-2001 03:09 PM
I've never given my input in this topic before, so I'll say this once.Newbies say Mewtwo is cheap. Is he cheap? Well, if there ARE any cheap Pokémon it's these 3: Lugia, Mewtwo, Houou (and that's if you say any Pokémon are cheap) Anyway, a Pokémon is a Pokémon. If you are beaten by a Mewtwo, it's your OWN damn fault for not having a good enough team to beat it or using a Mewtwo yourself. I know this topic was back in the day of RBY, but even THEN you could stop Mewtwo. My Chansey was really good at that  *MK hugs Chansey* I went to an offical Nintendo tournament and Chansey might have been my 2nd Poke (I'm not sure anymore, long time ago Tourney for RBY) anyway, my Chansey was able to defeat an Alakazam, a Charizard, and possible even my opponent's Mewtwo (I wish I remembered exactly how to battle went it was TOO long ago, but I might have not won if it wasn't for Chansey's high Special) So, thanks to G/S/C Mewtwo is less Powerful and more beatable, but, even in RBY, it was possible! -MK [EDIT: Typo] [ 08-10-2001: Message edited by: MK ]
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The Great Dreamer
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posted 08-10-2001 06:10 PM
You have resurrected the Forbidden Topic, you know not what have you done!
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SDShamshel
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posted 08-10-2001 06:37 PM
The metagame should not evolve to focus so much on just one Pokemon. Even in G/S, not everyone is clamoring to put Fire Blast on their Snorlax or flamethrower on whatever JUST to deal with Skarmory. It's to deal with Scizor and Forretress as well. You use a Chansey JUST to handle Mewtwo. And I bet it has a specific moveset to handle the job. That was the problem with Mewtwo in RBY. He had such a distinct advantage over all other Pokemon. Mewtwo, was, without a doubt, the best Pokemon in the game. Argue all you want, the stats, TM compatibility, learned moves, and type don't lie. Physical attacks on Mewtwo are rare, but they DO exist. And you know what? Unlike other high specialists, Mewtwo has a high attack rating to back up his absurd Special. You can say you'll always know what Mewtwo will pack, but you're looking at the online community only. Even then, some good players don't pack Recover on Mewtwo. Mewtwo, after all, can Selfdestruct. So if a person uses Mewtwo, you'll just use superior strategy and defeat that Mewtwo, right? When your Pokemon are outclassed, you have to rely on outsmarting the opponent, and a little luck. Well, what if your opponent was your equal in terms of strategy, or better? Then what happens? A person who can fully exploit Mewtwo is not as easily stopped as the newbies you fight.
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Jman
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posted 08-11-2001 11:45 AM
dear lord...
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Turbo X
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posted 08-11-2001 09:08 PM
And another thing about the dethroned beast: How many teams (tournament teams) have you actually seen M2 on? My guess, less than 1 out of 10. People just got tired of using it constantly to win (even if they didn't need it to win). Maybe people finally got rid of their "security blanket"!!
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posted 08-13-2001 07:06 AM
Mewtwo isn’t cheap, even in RBY. As far as I know (and I know a lot,) “cheap” in this context means “I’m never going to be able to beat that team because I’m such a n00b, but I expect you to stop using it even though I’m begging and I’m not giving you anything in exchange for your changing the team”.That's the worst definition of "cheap" I've ever heard. and in RBY I’d have to say Chansey can reliably beat Mewtwo. Chansey cannot beat Mewtwo; it can only stall it with a PP-wasting war. The same thing goes for Slowbro. The metagame should not evolve to focus so much on just one Pokemon. Exactly. When Mewtwo is used, that's exactly what happens, and it ruins the fun of the game. Basically, Mewtwo's Cheapness boils down to two things: 1) Mewtwo can counter any of his counters. This cannot be said of any other Pokemon. 2) If a expert trainer with a Mewtwo fights an expert trainer without a Mewtwo, the Mewtwo user will almost assuredly win. This cannot be said of any other Pokemon.
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White Cat
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posted 08-17-2001 08:36 AM
1. Yes, it can. Take Snorlax; it can get something like Psychic for Machamp, and Fire Blast/Flamethrower to deal with the GSC Skarmory.It would take four Psychics from Snorlax to down Machamp. Lax dies in two Cross Chops. And anyway, I'm talking about RBY. 2. Two words: Sporing 'Trode. That's cheating, and therefore doesn't count. Your new "consistency" grading scale is worthless. Who cares what the standard deviation of their stats is? You even admitted that Chansey ranks at the bottom, and I don't know of anyone who would claim it's a crappy Pokemon. If you start playing “Mewtwo Limits Clause”, where M2 can’t be above L90 and can’t have Amnesia, a L90 Mewtwo ... would score 1602, so that it’s in 9th place. Not nearly as unbalancing now that it’s behind Golduck! When you have to resort to cutting down Mewtwo's level and restricting his moves, you're just proving my point. That, and I’ll take credit for allowing people on all the boards to start using Mewtwo in RBY again. Now I remember why I rated you the way I did...
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