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dj_wolf
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it is back!
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But being this is G/S time, it's safe to say...

Mewtwo is not cheap.

Mewtwo may be a highest-special attack, virtually unpredictable due to his TM compatiblity, still good in all categories bastard of a Psychic, but definitely not cheap.

ANYONE who says a Pokemon is cheap in Metallics deserves to be shot, and ran over repeatedly.

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Unown is cheap.

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*wonders why dj brought this back*

Hopefully now that Fanny's gone this ember won't torch anything more.

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Hopefully. But, SOME PEOPLE would do to listen to Karen in the G/S Elite Four. She says, "Strong Pokemon. Weak Pokemon. Only selfish trainers think like that. The best trainers win with their favorites." I happen to like Mewtwo, I think it's beautiful, same with Mew and Articuno. First time I saw them, I fell in love. OK? I use my faves, you use yours. Don't like Mewtwo, tell yer friends so they don't use it. Or, use it if you like it. 'Tis up to you, but don't act like an asshole to those who DO like it, just POLITELY ask them not to use it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Artie Cuno:
"Strong Pokemon. Weak Pokemon. Only selfish trainers think like that. The best trainers win with their favorites."

EXACTLY

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Uhm,can I speak?

Well,I've finally gotten tired of Mewtwo, basically because he's no longer anything
compared to Espeon(my fave psychic,BTW),
but I want to point out that I'll use him
in Stadium(to get Surfing Pikachus) and
GB(to train weaker Pokemon through the E4)
only. I was worried that you people...

(Suddenly goes into one of his stupid modes)

LET'S GO BACK IN TIME TO WHEN POKEMON WAS
CREATED AND FORCE SATOSHI-SAMA TO NOT WRITE
MEWTWO! GET RID OF HIM IN THE GAME AND THE MOVIES! THEN THERE'LL NEVER BE A CHEAP-ASS!

Brrr...

Sorry about that,my dad says I say stupid things like that.

Now people are arguing about Lugia/Ho-Oh being cheap,especially in Pokemasters.

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quote:
Strong Pokemon. Weak Pokemon. Only selfish trainers think like that. The best trainers win with their favorites.

Once again, exactly.

The game is more interesting this way, and losing isn't as hard to take.

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Oh heck. Who brought this back? Ź_Ź;;

I think this debate is null now that G/S is out. Mewtwo now has no way of powering up his SA, which is what made him so unbeatable in the first place.

I think people should take Karen's advice.

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I thought this shit got nuked.
Ugh.

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i am sorry for bringing this back we needed somthing to talk about i was thinking about over this summer i was just looking through this old crap and i desided to bring it back
to tell you the truth i like mew and mewtwo but not for the game but for fan fics and movies they have a pretty good storyline revloving about them same thing as the other "ledgendarys" does that explain it ???

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hmm... a few things.

1) dj_wolf, have you heard of punctuation? You sound like an 11-year-old.

2) Why did Mr. K nuke all the mlmiddleton and Fanha topics on the board? It took a lot of good stuff out of this thread (even if Fanha was an asshole, he was half the debate, and the newcomers will have no idea what this thing is about).

3) Gee, Sneakerton really made himself look like an asshole. I also notice a lot of people are getting respect in this thread from people who no longer respect them. I wonder why these things change...

4) That turkey was so good... I LOVE THAT GIRL!

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Footitch: Why did Mr. K nuke all the mlmiddleton and Fanha topics on the board?

Fan-who?


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sorry about that.I was a little tired at the time.
Okay?

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My SINCEREST apologies Mr. K.
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10K = Funnest person ever to fight in pokemon

Seriously, Our battles were hella tight.

*Highlights
-Kingler crab hammers Muk's ass
-Fearow mirrors thunderwave
-Porygon ownz T-wave, Recover, Conversion, Double Edge
-Kangaskhan proves its self
-Mr. Mime survives a rest

Good timez.

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quote:
Originally posted by Biffster:
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O1R1I1F1Y1O1U1P1L1A1Y1 T1O1W1I1N1A1N1D1D1O1N1T1 C1A1R1E1W1H1A1T1P1E1O1P1LE1 T1H1I1N1K1A1B1O1U1T1 Y1O1U1(1L1I1K1E1M1E1)1

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Caps Lock and Number Lock, a very annoying combination.

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I am getting vewy, vewy angwy at all these format-destroying posts...

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Well, this topic deserves it.
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Good old cheapness thread.

You'll never die.

Note to Mr. K: You are damn cool.

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*makes a fatal error*

*runs*

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I have a problem with that whole Karen thing...

I have never liked a weak pokémon, except Gyarados, and at that point I thought he was strong (I was a newbie), and therefore, will always rate pokémon on there strength, I slightly favor the water-type, but even so, I favor pokémon to strongly if they have a lot of power, perhaps you play different from me, because you ahve all been in major big tournaments, but since they refuse to come to Canada, I never get an oppurtunity to play in a tournament. My favoratism towards the water type, perhaps puts a small dent in my team, (I use 3 waters).

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AtmaLCup's CHARMANDER is at 100% health.
FanhaLCup's MEWTWO is at 91% health.
FanhaLCup's MEWTWO used PSYCHIC!
AtmaLCup's CHARMANDER used BELLY DRUM!
AtmaLCup's CHARMANDER cut its HP and maximized ATTACK!
FanhaLCup's MEWTWO recovered with LEFTOVERS.
AtmaLCup's CHARMANDER's REFLECT faded!
AtmaLCup's CHARMANDER is at 31% health.
FanhaLCup's MEWTWO is at 97% health.
FanhaLCup's MEWTWO used PSYCHIC!
AtmaLCup's CHARMANDER used REST!
AtmaLCup's CHARMANDER went to sleep!
AtmaLCup's CHARMANDER regained health!
AtmaLCup's CHARMANDER recovered using a MINT BERRY!
FanhaLCup's MEWTWO recovered with LEFTOVERS.
AtmaLCup's CHARMANDER's LIGHT SCREEN fell!
AtmaLCup's CHARMANDER is at 100% health.
FanhaLCup's MEWTWO is at 100% health.
FanhaLCup's MEWTWO used PSYCHIC!
AtmaLCup's CHARMANDER used RETURN!
FanhaLCup's MEWTWO fainted!


...yes, I know raw battle logs are frowned upon, but...

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I actually read this entire thread.

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Why? WHY? WHY is this BACK?!

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quote:
Originally posted by SDShamshel:
Why? WHY? WHY is this BACK?!


Because, you are the weakest link!

Goodbye.

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Let it die already.
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Why is it here? http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/Forum8/HTML/001638.html

Props to Mr. K.

This made some interesting reading. Some good sig material also: "I wonder if you and the other Mewtwo-lovers will stick by him so loyally when G/S comes. Dark is gonna totally kick ass =)" -Acey

MEWTWO used SUBMISSION!
Enemy HOUNDOOM / TYRANITAR / JUSTABOUTANYDARK fainted! :P

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Okay, I think that there has been enough evidence put forth, to prove that Mewtwo is cheap.

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Cesar counted 257 posts before. Now it is at 191. Just goes to show how many posts Fanha had.
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It's a little like 4 pages of people vehemently agreeing with each other... not quite, but close.
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I beat a 4-Mewtwo team on PokéSta1 today with a Slowbro, Exeggutor, Electrode, Persian, Alakazam, and Kamikaze Snorlax. T'was fun.

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Well, I think mlmiddleton and possibly Darryn had some posts here, too.

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BTW. who won the tourney and was M2 banned?

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Quiet.

There will be no "Round 4."

Why must people keep on reviving this damn topic? It's been done to death.

Refuting your arguments is not necessary, as previous posts in this topic and other topics do that nicely.

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I don't think Mewtwo is cheap, because everyone is so deathly afraid of using him and people yelling and screaming and complaining at you for using Mewtwo. So you never see him in teams. So the point is moot.



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I've never given my input in this topic before, so I'll say this once.

Newbies say Mewtwo is cheap. Is he cheap? Well, if there ARE any cheap Pokémon it's these 3: Lugia, Mewtwo, Houou (and that's if you say any Pokémon are cheap)

Anyway, a Pokémon is a Pokémon. If you are beaten by a Mewtwo, it's your OWN damn fault for not having a good enough team to beat it or using a Mewtwo yourself.

I know this topic was back in the day of RBY, but even THEN you could stop Mewtwo. My Chansey was really good at that

*MK hugs Chansey*

I went to an offical Nintendo tournament and Chansey might have been my 2nd Poke (I'm not sure anymore, long time ago Tourney for RBY) anyway, my Chansey was able to defeat an Alakazam, a Charizard, and possible even my opponent's Mewtwo (I wish I remembered exactly how to battle went it was TOO long ago, but I might have not won if it wasn't for Chansey's high Special)

So, thanks to G/S/C Mewtwo is less Powerful and more beatable, but, even in RBY, it was possible!

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You have resurrected the Forbidden Topic, you know not what have you done!

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The metagame should not evolve to focus so much on just one Pokemon. Even in G/S, not everyone is clamoring to put Fire Blast on their Snorlax or flamethrower on whatever JUST to deal with Skarmory. It's to deal with Scizor and Forretress as well. You use a Chansey JUST to handle Mewtwo. And I bet it has a specific moveset to handle the job.

That was the problem with Mewtwo in RBY. He had such a distinct advantage over all other Pokemon. Mewtwo, was, without a doubt, the best Pokemon in the game. Argue all you want, the stats, TM compatibility, learned moves, and type don't lie. Physical attacks on Mewtwo are rare, but they DO exist. And you know what? Unlike other high specialists, Mewtwo has a high attack rating to back up his absurd Special. You can say you'll always know what Mewtwo will pack, but you're looking at the online community only. Even then, some good players don't pack Recover on Mewtwo. Mewtwo, after all, can Selfdestruct.

So if a person uses Mewtwo, you'll just use superior strategy and defeat that Mewtwo, right? When your Pokemon are outclassed, you have to rely on outsmarting the opponent, and a little luck. Well, what if your opponent was your equal in terms of strategy, or better? Then what happens? A person who can fully exploit Mewtwo is not as easily stopped as the newbies you fight.

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posted 08-11-2001 12:54 AM      Profile for Turbo X     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Mewtwo, WAS, without a doubt, the best pokemon in the game

With G/S out now for the past year or however long it's been out, this whole topic is moot now.

WHY MUST PEOPLE KEEP BRINGING THIS TOPIC BACK FROM THE DEAD??? Just bury the damn thing and never mention it again. I think Nintendo/Game Freak (whichever thought up of giving Mewtwo all the advantages) have learned their lesson by now.

On a side note, how many times has this topic been resurrected after being dead for over a month??

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dear lord...

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i now see why the rival in stadium had 1 mewtwo to six pokemon

thankfully in gs, he isnt as powerful, but still is pretty damn hard

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One thing that still makes Mewtwo good on G/S is the fact it can learn nice elemental attacks of your choice and a nice special attack to back em up and deal damage.

In the end, Mewtwo strong, beatable yes, considered cheap by some newbies.

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And another thing about the dethroned beast:
How many teams (tournament teams) have you actually seen M2 on?
My guess, less than 1 out of 10.
People just got tired of using it constantly to win (even if they didn't need it to win). Maybe people finally got rid of their "security blanket"!!

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Mewtwo isn’t cheap, even in RBY. As far as I know (and I know a lot,) “cheap” in this context means “I’m never going to be able to beat that team because I’m such a n00b, but I expect you to stop using it even though I’m begging and I’m not giving you anything in exchange for your changing the team”.

That's the worst definition of "cheap" I've ever heard.

and in RBY I’d have to say Chansey can reliably beat Mewtwo.

Chansey cannot beat Mewtwo; it can only stall it with a PP-wasting war. The same thing goes for Slowbro.

The metagame should not evolve to focus so much on just one Pokemon.

Exactly. When Mewtwo is used, that's exactly what happens, and it ruins the fun of the game.

Basically, Mewtwo's Cheapness boils down to two things:

1) Mewtwo can counter any of his counters. This cannot be said of any other Pokemon.
2) If a expert trainer with a Mewtwo fights an expert trainer without a Mewtwo, the Mewtwo user will almost assuredly win. This cannot be said of any other Pokemon.

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1) When White Cat said "counter ANY of its counters," he meant "ALL OF ITS COUNTERS." And we're talking about RBY, not G/S. G/S is a whole different world.

2) Shut up.

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1. Yes, it can. Take Snorlax; it can get something like Psychic for Machamp, and Fire Blast/Flamethrower to deal with the GSC Skarmory.

It would take four Psychics from Snorlax to down Machamp. Lax dies in two Cross Chops. And anyway, I'm talking about RBY.

2. Two words: Sporing 'Trode.

That's cheating, and therefore doesn't count.

Your new "consistency" grading scale is worthless. Who cares what the standard deviation of their stats is? You even admitted that Chansey ranks at the bottom, and I don't know of anyone who would claim it's a crappy Pokemon.

If you start playing “Mewtwo Limits Clause”, where M2 can’t be above L90 and can’t have Amnesia, a L90 Mewtwo ... would score 1602, so that it’s in 9th place. Not nearly as unbalancing now that it’s behind Golduck!

When you have to resort to cutting down Mewtwo's level and restricting his moves, you're just proving my point.

That, and I’ll take credit for allowing people on all the boards to start using Mewtwo in RBY again.

Now I remember why I rated you the way I did...

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I don´t find Mewtwo the living threat anymore, all in thanks to the following things nintendo did to make him weak

-separation of S.Att and S.Def
-Dark types
-Steel types
-Dark moves
-Megahorn.... the move that CAN ohko a mewtwo
-two words: shadow ball
-baton passing
-Amnesia´s only taking care of s.def
-m2´s low S.Def (but not too low)
-curse
-A stronger chancey (blissey) that can curse (bad blissey, bad blissey! that´s not something YOU should be doing!)
-New high S.Def pokemon: shuckle, houou, lugia
-MeanLook
-Perish Song
-Tyranitar: The cooler, bigger, better dragonite, (despite submission)!
-Fixed CH ratio


Is there anything you´d else that you´d like to thank the Nintendo guys for adding from its RBY days?

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