Those other threads have gotten to nitpicky for me to follow.

Anyway, this since this is the root of the question (and the only question that really matters), I was curious as to your point of view.

I don't mind saying that if you dispute the idea that Mewtwo is by far the most powerful Pokemon in the game, you're either remarkably dim or you're just trying to justify the unjustifiable. Maybe even playing devil's advocate, just to get a rise out of everyone.

I dont consider Mewtwo users cheap.
I consider TM32 users cheap.

Look at that, POST 600

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Rejoice that I honor you with these words, rubbish!
Bow before my magnificence and might, and I may spare you when my time arrives.
But only if it pleases me to do so!

I will say this: Yes, he is the best Pokémon in the game. But, that does not mean that he is a cheater. Like other Pokémon, HE CAN BE FOILED!!!

You just need the right "other" Pokémon. Like, for instance, Kangaskhan. (I shall name him, "The Perfect Mewtwo Killer."

A Kangaskhan with these moves and my strategy could kill a Mewtwo:

-Dizzy Punch
-Horn Drill
-Toxic
-Seismic Toss

Dizzy Punch has better accuracy than Mega Punch and you need normal attacks for Amnesia'd Mewtwos. Horn Drill, if you depend on luck. Toxic to poison its ass so it slowly dies. (Until it rests/recovers, so you can keep Dizzy Punching while he rests/recovers. Seismic Toss, because it's always nice to deal 100 damage.

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Mewtwo used Blizzard
It's frozen rock solid!
Being unable to move hurts

I'm trying to forget myself, but if I do where will I be when I need me?

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Originally posted by Mr. K:
Do any of you claim that he's not far and away the most powerful Pokemon in the game?

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No, of course I admit that his stats are wayyyy high. Ranking high in everything, and I don't even care about those of you who say he has bad defense. Now, compared to his other stats, he does have bad defense, but compared to most Pokemon, his Defense is AVERAGE. Which is quite good, and he has good HP to help that AVERAGE defense as well. Mewtwo is a Tank, no denying.

My only statement about the matter is, that I accept him, he's there in Prime Cup, but he isn't invinceable. You won't see me whining about his existance in Prime Cup tournaments, and you won't see me denying that he isn't cheap either.

The way I see it, I just want to beat those people who do use them. And hell, I'll take anybody else on, in any other cup, prime, pika, nut whatever.

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Thor said to Terl, in Psychlo, "The little girl over there is begging to shoot you."

I don't care people using them either. If they do, I have no hesitation in using Mewtwo as well. He may be the most powerful, but he's by no means invincable. You can always put him to sleep, after all.

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Gold and Silver are coming soon and there will be a solution to the mewtwo problem then.

Yeah, yer right; a Blizzard or Rock Slide will take out a Dragonite.

Now, which attack is it that can single-handedly take out Mewtwo, again?

Obviously no one is saying M2 is totally invincible. If he were, there'd be no argument at all.

And I understand the argument that we all have access to M2.

But I think I might have missed the real issue, which came up in another thread...

...can a reasonably well-played M2 be defeated with any regularity by a team not specifically designed to defeat him?

OK, my Wiggly can defeat a RC'ed M2 who just blasts away with Psychic. But if the M2 in question using just the tiniest bit of strategy (say, using Recover once, instead of Psychic), Wiggly is toast.

A lot of the argument seems to be about various ways to kill Mewtwo and how many times it takes to Amnesia to max and all that, but that's just fussing about details.

Basically, a mediocre M2 can kill everyone, without making special plans. Anyone else requires special plans, particularly if they want to kill M2 himself.

I really just can't imagine any of you truly believe that M2 isn't cheap (or some other equivalent word).

You're all bright people, I can only assume you're only arguing for political reasons.

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Originally posted by mlmiddleton:
The reason Mewtwo is considered "cheap" is because people prepare for them. So there is no use putting a Pokemon in your team that lots of people plan for!

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Actually, that's a perfect example of why Mewtwo is cheap! You can plan expressly for an encounter with him and still get thrashed! That's not true of any other Pokemon.

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Originally posted by Millennium Bug:
Do you consider this cheap - Someone taking out another guy's Mewtwo with his own Mewtwo?

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Well, I consider all use of Mewtwo to be cheap, but it's understandable that one would want to use the best Pokemon in the game to defend against the best Pokemon in the game.

I am not opposed to people using Mewtwo. I understand why people would want to use him.

I just don't understand people who don't think he's cheap.

Some people recognize that he's cheap and use him anyway. I get that. I just don't get not thinking he's cheap.

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Originally posted by Scyther7164:

A Kangaskhan with these moves and my strategy could kill a Mewtwo:

-Dizzy Punch
-Horn Drill
-Toxic
-Seismic Toss

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Uh...Kangaskhan doesn't LEARN Horn Drill.

I'm just saying, I can live with Mewtwo, he's not too hard to defeat. And I don't wanna hear about the special team crap. If you wanna see, I won't use M2, and you battle me on PBS. My "special" team can not only kill your M2 but take the rest of your team out.

I'm tired of arguing. Both sides end up rewording their old arguments and after a while, it just gets old typing the same stuff.

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Originally posted by Mr. K:

...can a reasonably well-played M2 be defeated with any regularity by a team not specifically designed to defeat him?

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1. Luck, by far the most important factor. Critical hits, how many times PARA hits in a row, how long Sleep lasts etc. That's what really decides the outcome. It can work either for or against you.
   
2. The quality of the team. Wiggly, Psyduck and Koffing arent gonna get the job done.
   
3. Strategy. The person tackling Mewtwo has to know what he is doing.
   

Yes, he's overpowered. He isn't totatly invincible but he is close. A team not specifically designed to wipe him out will tend to fail at the task.

That's why I use him, after all.

A perfect world would have no laws, no need for laws, and no Mewtwo.

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10 gosub Substitute
20 gosub Amnesia
30 gosub Amnesia
40 gosub Substitute
50 gosub Recover
60 gosub Psychic
70 gosub Psychic
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Originally posted by MewtwoSama:
Luck, by far the most important factor. Critical hits, how many times PARA hits in a row, how long Sleep lasts etc. That's what really decides the outcome. It can work either for or against you.

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But Mewtwo has "luck" on his side. Unless you're using Electrode, he always gets first strike and he crit hits more than anyone other than Electrode.

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The quality of the team. Wiggly, Psyduck and Koffing arent gonna get the job done.

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That's true. I wouldn't expect unevolved guys to be able to take down a powerful Pokemon with regularity...

...but you missed the point of my question...

Can you get to a fair probability of defeating Mewtwo without a team specifically designed to take him down? You have to figure that 2 players with roughly equivalent skill and equivalent Mewtwos have about a 50/50 chance of winning each. Can you make that spread with any Pokemon not designed specifically for killing Mewtwo?

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The person tackling Mewtwo has to know what he is doing.

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This is a given, of course.

Me: It can work either for or against you.

Mr. K: Unless you're using Electrode, he always gets first strike and he crit hits more than anyone other than Electrode.
Critical hits, that's luck
Hell, my Grep went down down to Avalanche's Parasect via luck. I just wouldnt wake up.

Mr K. Can you get to a fair probability of defeating Mewtwo without a team specifically designed to take him down? You have to figure that 2 players with roughly equivalent skill and equivalent Mewtwos have about a 50/50 chance of winning each. Can you make that spread with any Pokemon not designed specifically for killing Mewtwo?
Hmmm, Avalanche took me out w/o using Mewtwo 3on3. I thought I was using my best in that battle too.
I dont think you can say his Parasect had Mewtwo in mind, since he likes Parasect and isnt using it for Mewtwo slaying.

I only had one win over him that day out of like ten battles. I had BAD luck that day, but he still beat the crap out of me.

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Originally posted by mlmiddleton:
The reason Mewtwo is considered "cheap" is because people prepare for them. So there is no use putting a Pokemon in your team that lots of people plan for!

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So Mewtwo is not cheap because he IS cheap? Twisted logic.

Besides, Mewtwo isn't cheap because people prepare for him; people prepare for him because he's cheap, and cheap trainers are bound to use him.