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Iyse
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posted 05-04-2000 05:49 PM      Profile for Iyse   Email Iyse   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't that the guy who made Tobybro?

I wanna know when he came up with it, and what made him see such a perfect moveset!

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Mewtwo used Amnesia
Mew used Thunder Wave

Mew used Swords Dance
Mewtwo's fully paralysed

Mew used Swords Dance
Mewtwo's fully paralysed

Mew used Swords Dance
Mewtwo used Amnesia

If I get hit by Psychic, I'm dead for sure. I have to take out Mewtwo!

Mew used Explosion
Critical Hit

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Argo
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posted 05-04-2000 06:18 PM      Profile for Argo   Email Argo   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmm....what do you mean,"meet"..like...in real life?or just over AIM or something..

*would kill for his AIM name,if he has one*

He's probably really cool..where does he live?

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GolemKong
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posted 05-04-2000 06:38 PM      Profile for GolemKong   Author's Homepage   Email GolemKong   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Toby Martin is Wintermute.. isn't he (Well... the owner of the porygon and SN anyways..)?

[This message has been edited by GolemKong (edited 05-04-2000).]


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NeoSyrex
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posted 05-04-2000 06:46 PM      Profile for NeoSyrex   Author's Homepage   Email NeoSyrex   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Heh, Wintermute is Toby, he's the moderator of the "Research" forum on this site . But to answer your questions, he came up with it on AGNP last August . Heh, that's back when most people didn't even think of putting Amnesia on Mewtwo (except people who's Mewtwo included Swift...)

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Iyse
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posted 05-04-2000 06:52 PM      Profile for Iyse   Email Iyse   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wintermute is Toby?!?! AW COOL!

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Mewtwo used Amnesia
Mew used Thunder Wave

Mew used Swords Dance
Mewtwo's fully paralysed

Mew used Swords Dance
Mewtwo's fully paralysed

Mew used Swords Dance
Mewtwo used Amnesia

If I get hit by Psychic, I'm dead for sure. I have to take out Mewtwo!

Mew used Explosion
Critical Hit

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Porcupine
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posted 05-04-2000 07:29 PM      Profile for Porcupine   Email Porcupine   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Swift sucks!!

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Porcupine
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posted 05-04-2000 07:30 PM      Profile for Porcupine   Email Porcupine   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wait, I take that back, it doesn't suck. Swift isn't the greatest move, though.

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Porcupine
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posted 05-04-2000 07:58 PM      Profile for Porcupine   Email Porcupine   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is this the Tobybro moveset?

Thunder Wave, Amnesia, Rest, Surf

Slowbro is a super pokemon, but that doesn't seem to be an ultra evil moveset to me. It's good of course because Slowbro is good. Why is the Thunder Wave in there? I'd probably use Double Team, Reflect, or another offensive move (Ice Beam, etc) in it's place.

That Tobybro is lunch (literally) for my Parasect I think:

Slash, Growth, Spore, Mega Drain

(I dunno if the Substitute moveset for Parasect might be better)

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GolemKong
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posted 05-04-2000 08:38 PM      Profile for GolemKong   Author's Homepage   Email GolemKong   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well... T-wave is there to gain the speed advantage, and that parasect could probably take it.

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Mr. K
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posted 05-04-2000 09:37 PM      Profile for Mr. K   Author's Homepage   Email Mr. K   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The point of Tobybro, as I understand it, is that it can defeat Mewtwo, which is a feat in itself.

Picking your favorite Grass Pokemon and saying you could take it is missing the point.

My Lee can take out the Chansey Mewtwo-killer, or a Mewtwo with Fire Blast can take out the Exeggutor Mewtwo-killer...no Pokemon is invulnerable.

But coming up with something (other than a Mewtwo) which can defeat a Mewtwo is something special.

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posted 05-05-2000 02:33 AM      Profile for Ancient Egyptian Cat-Gonk   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
*would kill for his AIM name,if he has one*

He used to be Evolvo Lad, but I haven't seen him on AIM in months.

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Porcupine
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I don't think Tobybro can defeat Mewtwo, actually, can it? Are you hoping to kill the Mewtwo with Amnesia'ed Surf combined with lucky Full Paralysis? Or just PP wasting?

I agree picking a Grass specifically to defeat SlowBro doesn't say much. However Parasect is one of the best pokemon in the game and I'd expect to see a lot of him in a tournament. Given what I know about pokemon I'd probably use him in my actual team. If you did replace Thunder Wave with Ice Beam or Double Team though, then Parasect would have problems against Slowbro also.

HitmonLee is good too! I need to reconsider using fighting pokemon (namely HitmonLee cause I think all the others are degenerate, I forget). If I saw him on a serious tournament team I would NOT be surprised, and I would not laugh at him either. He's good overall, and he's one of the only things that can crush Chansey.

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Iyse
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posted 05-05-2000 08:17 PM      Profile for Iyse   Email Iyse   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jolteon can also take out Toby!

Thunderbolt
Thunderwave
Focus Energy
Double Team/Rest

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Mewtwo used Amnesia
Mew used Thunder Wave

Mew used Swords Dance
Mewtwo's fully paralysed

Mew used Swords Dance
Mewtwo's fully paralysed

Mew used Swords Dance
Mewtwo used Amnesia

If I get hit by Psychic, I'm dead for sure. I have to take out Mewtwo!

Mew used Explosion
Critical Hit

...


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Mr. K
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posted 05-06-2000 02:03 AM      Profile for Mr. K   Author's Homepage   Email Mr. K   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Porcupine:
I don't think Tobybro can defeat Mewtwo, actually, can it?

Yes, it can. It was designed for that purpose. It's not a PP waster, it's designed to kill with Amnesia'd Surf and it works. Not all the time, and not in all conditions, but enough to make it worthy of note.

And, yes, a Jolteon might be able to take Tobybro, but, again, that is completely missing the point.

There is no one Pokemon that can take out every other, all the time...Mewtwo is pretty close, tho.

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If you did replace Thunder Wave with Ice Beam or Double Team though, then Parasect would have problems against Slowbro also.

Yes, but then he loses his Mewtwo-killing status.

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HitmonLee is good too!

Mewtwo makes him worthless in 3 on 3 play.

I use one and in 4 appearances last tourney, he was killed in one shot each time. He didn't even get to figure out where he was before he was dead.

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Using a Slowbro as a Mewtwo killer is effective enough to make it a noteworthy thing. However, reliance on T-wave tends to result in a less effective critter in Stadium, as Mewtwo simply subs away, and then the critical hits begin to take their toll. A snoring Slowbro having its special lowered and then getting criticaled wakes up to find that is has to re-Amnesia and possibly even rest again.

He will, however, defeat the "grep" moveset in straight out PP wasting:

Slowbro Mewtwo
Thunder Wave 20 20 Recover
Amnesia 20 20 Amnesia
Rest (10) 30 10 Substitute
Surf 15 10 Psychic


This doesn't make him a super duper monster in general: that isn't his point. Victreebel would waste him with Razor Leaf. So would Venusaur, and all of the Electrics would easily have first strike, plus double effective on top of it.

He isn't meant to deal with them. He's meant to deal with Mewtwo, which is difficult.

I personally don't really touch the fighters in tournaments. I should be able to, come metallic days, as I don't think the game is as madgay as it is now. I do think that a couple really powerful movesets will evolve, however, but that won't be as bad as Mewtwo.


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Porcupine
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WOW!! Hey, you guys are right! That Tobybro really CAN utterly destroy Mewtwo! I'll have to think about it more carefully, but I think Mewtwo might die often enough. Cfalcon also has a point, that Tobybro might also be utterly destroyed by Mewtwo with bad luck. I need to think on it some more.

A Mewtwo with Double Team would probably nearly never die to Tobybro outright, though. But he would still be PP wasted either dead or near-death, depending how your Thunder Wave works out.

Either way though, probably a really good opponent won't let his Mewtwo fight with any Slowbro, and try to PP waste or kill Slowbro with other pokemons.

I need to think about this some more, though. I'm also wondering if a better moveset for Parasect than Slash, Growth, Spore, Mega Drain would be Leech Life, Swords Dance, Spore, Substitute. The second choice might be better against Mewtwo (I dunno) but might be worse against Slowbro. Have to think....

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Rolken
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posted 05-08-2000 09:42 PM      Profile for Rolken   Author's Homepage   Email Rolken   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Parasect? Pfft.
He's weak to too many types. Fire, Ice, Rock, Flying...

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Porcupine
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posted 05-09-2000 04:58 PM      Profile for Porcupine   Email Porcupine   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Parasect definitely is weak defensively compared to most top-tier pokemon, but his offense is way better than most top-tier pokemon to make up for it.

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TeeJay
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Yes, parasect is incredibly strong if you start with him. Usually he won't die in the first move in the game, and by then he'll be able to pull off the 100% Spore attack and then SW up, then unleases a load of damage on his foe. I've seen the damage it has done, it's better than you're making it sound.

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