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Author Topic: A developing situation (rule interpretation) Donald Bob the Builder Member # 1551 Member Rated: posted 10-29-2002 09:16 PM                  Situation 1 Say Tommy and Timmy are having a fierce battle. They agreed to Stadium rules before the battle, however, it's taking place on a GB. The battle came down to Tommy's 35 HP Snorlax (Curselax moveset w/DE and EQ) against Timmy's 145 HP (PAR) Zapdos. Now, Snorlax can't use Curse, because Thunderbolt would fry him before it would do anything. EQ, of course, would miss, and Zapdos can put Snorlax in a Rest loop if he heals and eventually whup it. So, Tommy's Lax uses DE! Zapdos goes down like a hot rock (min dmg: 154). However, there's a problem - the recoil kills Snorlax as well. Who gets the win? Or is it a draw? Situation 2 Tommy and Timmy are fighting again, and again it comes down to Snorlax/Zappy. Snorlax has 70 HP left, Zapdos has 290 and is PAR. Snorlax uses Double-Edge... and it criticals! Zappy goes down! But wait... Snorlax pwns himself AGAIN with the recoil. Who would you award the win to? Poll Information This poll contains 2 question(s). 19 user(s) have voted. You may not view the results of this poll without voting.     From: In your girl's panties | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged Atma Farting Nudist Member # 689 Member Rated: posted 10-29-2002 09:20 PM                       Timmy wins, in this case DE violates explosion clause. - - - - - "My name is Atma... I am pure energy... and as ancient as the cosmos. Forgotten in the river of time... I've had an eternity to ponder the meaning of things... And now I have an answer..." From: Cinnabar Isle, Long Island, NY | Registered: Jul 2000  |  IP: Logged Uiru Sketch Molester Member # 437 Member Rated: posted 10-29-2002 11:22 PM                        Except that Double Edge is not Perish Song, Destiny Bond, Selfdestruct or Explosion, which are the four moves quoted in Explosion Clause. I assume the only difference between the two situations is that the first was agreed to with Stadium rules and the second one wasn't. In the first case, since Double Edge would not have KO'd Snorlax had they been playing on Stadium, Snorlax wins. I guess the second one would be a draw, but it seems to be pretty trivial- Zapdos went down first. But either way, Zapdos most certainly does not win. And on an unrelated tangent... How, exactly, does a Zapdos (which is AT BEST a 4HKO against a Snorlax without Leftovers and who is paralyzed on top of that) put a Snorlax in a Rest loop? Unless it has the DV set that grants a 70 Rape-a-Prole Power, Snorlax had this match in the bag anyhow. But that's not the point. ~Uiru - - - - - TIDUDSOFIEIHUGHEXXXC: "maybe he will let you touch his blow up do" AFRO NOOOOOOO!!! From: the floating castle of Newfoundland | Registered: May 2000  |  IP: Logged Atma Farting Nudist Member # 689 Member Rated: posted 10-30-2002 01:29 AM                       The idea behind explosion clause is that it's actually a no-suicide clause. And if DE kills yourself with recoil, it's definitely suicide. - - - - - "My name is Atma... I am pure energy... and as ancient as the cosmos. Forgotten in the river of time... I've had an eternity to ponder the meaning of things... And now I have an answer..." From: Cinnabar Isle, Long Island, NY | Registered: Jul 2000  |  IP: Logged Uiru Sketch Molester Member # 437 Member Rated: posted 10-30-2002 11:21 AM                        There have been enough cheating and anti-cheese debates to prove that you just can't say "the idea behind..." without definite, concrete proof from Game Freak, which of course will never happen. Double Edge is not listed in Explosion Clause, thus it doesn't violate it. So, unless your last name is Tajiri and you are filthy stinking rich, you can't say "the idea behind...". ~Uiru - - - - - TIDUDSOFIEIHUGHEXXXC: "maybe he will let you touch his blow up do" AFRO NOOOOOOO!!! From: the floating castle of Newfoundland | Registered: May 2000  |  IP: Logged Mr. K Racist Member # 2 Member Rated: posted 10-30-2002 04:34 PM                        I'm not sure, but I think Stadium would grant the win to Snorlax. I think the Zapdos would drop dead and the winna would be declared right there, before the suicide animation. Or I could be totally wrong. But you could test it out, and then whatever happens would certainly prove whatever "Stadium rules" are... From: Cinnabar Island | Registered: Feb 2000  |  IP: Logged Jolt135 Farting Nudist Member # 1974 Member Rated: posted 10-30-2002 06:47 PM                        Double-Edge Type=Normal Power=120, Accuracy=256, BasePP=15, MaxPP=24, Priority=4 Effect=Whenever ~this~ deals damage, divide that damage by 4 and subtract that number from user's HP. Mode1=Accuracy -= 1. Power -= 20. Mode2=Accuracy -= 1. Power -= 20. Rulings=See Recoil (Glossary). In Modes 2 and 4, recoil is only applied if user has not won the game. In modes 1 and 3, it is possible for this move to end in a draw. Against a Substitute, recoil is always equal to 1. Stadium mode is mode 4, under whose interpretation DE would win the game, not draw it. [ 10-31-2002, 02:35 PM: Message edited by: Jolt135 ] From: Woodbridge, VA, USA | Registered: Jul 2001  |  IP: Logged Uiru Sketch Molester Member # 437 Member Rated: posted 10-30-2002 07:47 PM                        What in the hell are modes? And why are there four of them? And this better not be stupid. ~Uiru - - - - - TIDUDSOFIEIHUGHEXXXC: "maybe he will let you touch his blow up do" AFRO NOOOOOOO!!! From: the floating castle of Newfoundland | Registered: May 2000  |  IP: Logged Jolt135 Farting Nudist Member # 1974 Member Rated: posted 10-31-2002 02:41 PM                        Mode 1 = modular equivalent of "RBY in-game/link". Mode 2 = modular equivalent of "Stadium 1". Mode 3 = modular equivalent of "GSC in-game/link". Mode 4 = modular equivalent of "Stadium 2". RS will become mode 5 upon their release. From: Woodbridge, VA, USA | Registered: Jul 2001  |  IP: Logged MK is somewhat large. Member # 1445 Member Rated: posted 11-15-2002 09:22 PM                    Guess we can call PoKéMoN Stadium for Gamecube Mode 6... Registered: Jan 2001  |  IP: Logged Skarmory Farting Nudist Member # 1850 Member Rated: posted 11-25-2002 12:41 AM                     The Snorlax would win in both cases because, very simply, he knocked out Zapdos first, without an explosion move (lets not get into that debate again). Zapdos, did not win, because it lost to a move. Snorlax however, kicked Zapdos' butt. If this was a tourney situation, I'd give the Laxen the win. - - - - - If I had a funny quote, I'd put it here. From: Saskatchewan | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged

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