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Topic: A possibility why CPU's luck is skewed in Stadium
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Jolt135
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posted 10-20-2001 08:21 AM
I’ve seen a lot of talk about how the CPU on Stadium screws with the random number generator. I’ve never noticed any major skewing of luck, and even if it did happen on my cart, I’ve been able to win just fine without it.But yesterday, in a match with the R2 Rival, I noticed a definite streak of luck. My current theory is: “The computer’s luck gets progressively better the further you proceed in the game. Here’s the full battle, in GSBot log form (even though it wasn’t GSBot.) Begin battle: PKMaster vs. Rival! PKMaster sent out Infinity (UMBREON L100)!
Rival sent out LUGIA (LUGIA L100)!
Rival’s LUGIA used AEROBLAST!
A critical hit!
PKMaster’s UMBREON used MEAN LOOK!
Rival’s LUGIA can’t be recalled!
PKMaster’s UMBREON is at 54% health.
Rival’s LUGIA is at 100% health.
“54%,” I thought. “Even if the next one crit-hits, it shouldn’t be able to KO.” Of course, I never checked that on the Damage Calculator...
Rival’s LUGIA used AEROBLAST!
A critical hit!
(2 shots, 2 crit-hits)
PKMaster’s UMBREON fainted!
Dubya Tee Eff.
PKMaster sent out pwnage (SUICUNE L100)!
PKMaster’s SUICUNE is at 100% health.
Rival’s LUGIA is at 100% health.
Rival’s LUGIA used AEROBLAST!
A critical hit!
(3 shots, 3 crit-hits)
PKMaster’s SUICUNE used SURF!
Rival’s LUGIA recovered with LEFTOVERS.
PKMaster’s SUICUNE is at 54% health.
Rival’s LUGIA is at 84% health.
Rival’s LUGIA used AEROBLAST!
A critical hit!
(4 shots, 4 crit-hits)
This brought Suicune down to 3% health.
PKMaster’s SUICUNE used REST!
It fell asleep and restored HP!
PKMaster’s SUICUNE recovered with a MINT BERRY.
Rival’s LUGIA recovered with LEFTOVERS.
PKMaster’s SUICUNE is at 100% health.
Rival’s LUGIA is at 90% health.
Rival’s LUGIA used SAFEGUARD!
It’s protected from status ailments!
PKMaster’s SUICUNE used ROAR!
Rival withdrew LUGIA!
Rival sent out MEWTWO (MEWTWO L100)!
PKMaster’s SUICUNE is at 100% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 100% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO used THUNDERBOLT!
It’s super effective!
PKMaster’s SUICUNE used MIRROR COAT!
PKMaster’s SUICUNE is at 55% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 12% health.
One Surf should do it...unless it Recovers.
Rival’s MEWTWO used THUNDERBOLT!
A critical hit!
PKMaster’s SUICUNE fainted!
PKMaster sent out Masochist (BLISSEY L100)!
Last I checked, a crit-hit Submission would come 3 HP short of the OHKO, killing Mewtwo from recoil..
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 100% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 12% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO used RECOVER!
It restored HP!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used CURSE!
BLISSEY’s SPEED fell!
BLISSEY’s ATTACK rose!
BLISSEY’s DEFENSE rose!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 100% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 62% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO used RECOVER!
It restored HP!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used CURSE!
BLISSEY’s SPEED fell!
BLISSEY’s ATTACK rose!
BLISSEY’s DEFENSE rose!
MEWTWO’s SAFEGUARD fell!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 100% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 100% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO used PSYCHIC!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used CURSE!
BLISSEY’s SPEED fell!
BLISSEY’s ATTACK rose!
BLISSEY’s DEFENSE rose!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 84% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 100% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO used PSYCHIC!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used CURSE!
BLISSEY’s SPEED fell!
BLISSEY’s ATTACK rose!
BLISSEY’s DEFENSE rose!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 67% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 100% health.
I smell a PP waste...
Rival’s MEWTWO used PSYCHIC!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used SOFTBOILED!
It restored HP!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 99% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 100% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO used PSYCHIC!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used CURSE!
BLISSEY’s SPEED fell!
BLISSEY’s ATTACK rose!
BLISSEY’s DEFENSE rose!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 85% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 100% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO used PSYCHIC!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used CURSE!
BLISSEY’s SPEED fell!
BLISSEY’s ATTACK rose!
BLISSEY’s DEFENSE rose!
All 6 Curses in place.
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 68% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 100% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO used PSYCHIC!
You’d think by now, with the luck he had early on, that at least ONE of those 6 hits would give SD Down...
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used SOFTBOILED!
It restored HP!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 100% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 100% health.
Now, for why I call it “Masochist.”
Rival’s MEWTWO used PSYCHIC!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used DOUBLE-EDGE!
It’s hurt by recoil!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 75% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 41% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO used RECOVER!
It restored HP!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used DOUBLE-EDGE!
It’s hurt by recoil!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 66% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 32% health.
This looks like an effort to PP waste by Rival. But he doesn’t use PP Up, so it’s a wasted effort.
Rival’s MEWTWO used RECOVER!
It restored HP!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used DOUBLE-EDGE!
It’s hurt by recoil!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 58% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 25% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO used RECOVER!
It restored HP!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used DOUBLE-EDGE!
It’s hurt by recoil!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 50% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 18% health.
We interrupt this Recover war in order to revitalize both Pokemon...
Rival’s MEWTWO used RECOVER!
It restored HP!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used SOFTBOILED!
It restored HP!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 100% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 68% health.
Now we return to our regularly scheduled programming.
Rival’s MEWTWO used RECOVER!
It restored HP!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used DOUBLE-EDGE!
It’s hurt by recoil!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 92% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 43% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO used RECOVER!
It restored HP!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used DOUBLE-EDGE!
It’s hurt by recoil!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 83% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 35% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO used RECOVER!
It restored HP!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used DOUBLE-EDGE!
It’s hurt by recoil!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 74% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 25% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO used RECOVER!
It restored HP!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used DOUBLE-EDGE!
It’s hurt by recoil!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 66% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 17% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO used RECOVER!
It restored HP!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used DOUBLE-EDGE!
It’s hurt by recoil!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 58% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 9% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO used RECOVER!
It restored HP!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used DOUBLE-EDGE!
It’s hurt by recoil!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 50% health.
Rival’s MEWTWO is at 3% health.
No time to Softboiled now. Just one more hit!
Rival’s MEWTWO used RECOVER!
It restored HP!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used DOUBLE-EDGE!
It’s hurt by recoil!
Rival’s MEWTWO fainted!
Rival sent out LUGIA (LUGIA L100)!
It has 1 PP left on Aeroblast.
Rival’s LUGIA recovered with LEFTOVERS.
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 42% health.
Rival’s LUGIA is at 96% health.
Rival’s LUGIA used SAFEGUARD!
It’s protected from status ailments!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used SOFTBOILED!
It restored HP!
Rival’s LUGIA recovered with LEFTOVERS.
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 92% health.
Rival’s LUGIA is at 100% health.
Rival’s LUGIA used PSYCHIC!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY used DOUBLE-EDGE!
It’s hurt by recoil!
Rival’s LUGIA recovered with LEFTOVERS!
PKMaster’s BLISSEY is at 74% health.
Rival’s LUGIA is at 62% health.
With a fully Cursed Blissey at 524 HP, able to KO Lugia in 2 more hits, and Ho-oh in 2, this battle looked like a lock for me. Only one thing could stop this win. One Aeroblast PP left. Two chances to let loose with it. 17% to crit-hit and deal enough damage to KO. Now, the verdict.
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Rival’s LUGIA used AEROBLAST!
A critical hit!
(5 shots, 5 crit-hits)
The health counts down.
500... 400... 300... 200... 100... PKMaster’s BLISSEY fainted!
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
PKMaster sent out Fish (MEW L100)!
Rival’s LUGIA recovered with LEFTOVERS.
PKMaster’s MEW is at 100% health.
Rival’s LUGIA is at 68% health.
Rival’s LUGIA used EARTHQUAKE!
PKMaster’s MEW used HORN DRILL!
7 left.
But it missed!
PKMaster’s MEW recovered with LEFTOVERS.
Rival’s LUGIA recovered with LEFTOVERS.
PKMaster’s MEW is at 88% health.
Rival’s LUGIA is at 75% health.
Rival’s LUGIA used EARTHQUAKE!
PKMaster’s MEW used HORN DRILL!
6 left.
One-hit KO!
Rival’s LUGIA fainted!
Rival sent out HO-OH (HO-OH L100)!
HO-OH’s SAFEGUARD fell!
PKMaster’s MEW recovered with LEFTOVERS.
PKMaster’s MEW is at 94% health.
Rival’s HO-OH is at 100% health.
PKMaster’s MEW used HORN DRILL!
5 left.
But it missed!
Rival’s HO-OH used SACRED FIRE!
PKMaster’s MEW recovered with LEFTOVERS.
PKMaster’s MEW is at 71% health.
Rival’s HO-OH is at 100% health.
Rival’s HO-OH used SACRED FIRE!
PKMaster’s MEW used HORN DRILL!
4 left.
But it missed!
PKMaster’s MEW recovered with LEFTOVERS.
PKMaster’s MEW is at 46% health.
Rival’s HO-OH is at 100% health.
PKMaster’s MEW used HORN DRILL!
3 left.
But it missed!
Rival’s HO-OH used SACRED FIRE!
MEW was burned!
PKMaster’s MEW recovered with LEFTOVERS.
PKMaster’s MEW is at 22% health and burned.
Rival’s HO-OH is at 100% health.
If the Quick Claw kicks in here, the 37-0 start for this team doesn’t seem likely.
PKMaster’s MEW used REST!
Good.
It fell asleep and restored HP!
Rival’s HO-OH used SACRED FIRE!
PKMaster’s MEW recovered with LEFTOVERS.
PKMaster’s MEW is at 75% health and asleep.
Rival’s HO-OH is at 100% health.
Rival’s HO-OH used SACRED FIRE!
Too bad, Ho-oh. You’re one turn too late with the Claw, and you’re out of Sacred Fire PP to boot.
PKMaster’s MEW used SLEEP TALK!
PKMaster’s MEW used FISSURE!
It doesn’t affect HO-OH!
PKMaster’s MEW recovered with LEFTOVERS.
PKMaster’s MEW is at 49% health and asleep.
Rival’s HO-OH is at 100% health.
PKMaster’s MEW used SLEEP TALK!
PKMaster’s MEW used FISSURE!
Feh.
It doesn’t affect HO-OH!
Rival’s HO-OH used EARTHQUAKE!
PKMaster’s MEW is at 30% health and asleep.
PKMaster’s MEW woke up!
PKMaster’s MEW used HORN DRILL!
2 left.
But it missed!
Rival’s HO-OH used EARTHQUAKE!
PKMaster’s MEW recovered with LEFTOVERS.
PKMaster’s MEW is at 12% health.
Rival’s HO-OH is at 100% health.
No time to Rest. Time for one last shot.
PKMaster’s MEW used HORN DRILL!
1 left.
One-hit KO!
Rival’s HO-OH fainted!
PKMaster won the game. Well, it’s now taking up 7 pages in Word. The team remains undefeated. But Lugia CH’ing all 5 times with Aeroblast, including one against a 500+ HP Blissey that kept him in the match? No other opponent gets that kind of luck, so it seems that “Enemy luck improves the farther into the game you get.” Any comments and/or experiences? [ 10-20-2001: Message edited by: Jolt135 ]
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posted 10-21-2001 04:06 PM
This is just a thought, I figure the computer does cheat. Like, I was battling something, it was some water Pokémon I think, well, anyway, I was using like a 99.6% chance hit move, and it missed twice, and this was without any doubleteams/sandattacks, etc...My only real guess is that the computer took advantage of the 0.4% chance and the computer was holding Bright Powder... But, the one time I totally defied the computer's odds was when my focus band worked 3 times in a row  But, here is what my original idea was going to be. Go battle the computer in "Free Battle" and select mode "Hard" Give the computer a team with nothing but horn drillers. See how many times OHKO happens. Now battle again with the same teams on Easy mode and watch the results. I wouldn't be suprised if the random number generator gets more "fudged" on the computer's behalf based on what difficulty you set for the computer. Also, that would explain why the computer gets tougher later in the game. The first battles are easy, then they get normal, then the Rival and Red are HARD! - - - - -
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posted 10-21-2001 04:12 PM
I beat Rival and Red with just my Raikou...
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posted 10-22-2001 07:29 AM
A simple thing to do against that is to take hyper beam off of Scizor. Return is better. Also, in Stadium2, are the rival's pokemon always at L100? If they are, I probably won't beat the rival until I get a shark, since I'm too lazy to train them that long.
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posted 10-27-2001 02:30 AM
NOTE: The stadium2 pokes hold items that dont make any sense, like black glasses on Wobbuffet. Thus, its unlikely that they have Brightpowder on almost everything 
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posted 11-10-2001 07:58 PM
Stadium 2 has given me several times the benefit of straight critical hits. More often than not, the computer shift the odds toward it and hands me my ass.
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posted 11-11-2001 08:20 PM
Just earlier today, my friend came over. He was working on R2 Stadium 2 GLC. He had (IIRC) a Lugia, Espeon, and Jolteon, just trying to get through it. Well, I forgot who he was fighting, but I think it was the first trainer in the Cianwood gym. First out is Espeon. It uses Psybeam, Dragonair Horn Drills. OHKO. Jolteon comes out and uses Thunderwave. Dragonair recovers with a PRZCUREBERRY. It uses Horn Drill. OHKO. Last out is Lugia. It uses Psychic. Dragonair down to 8 HP. Horn Drill. OHKO. 3 Horn Drills, 3 hits. Ugh.
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Jolt135
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posted 11-12-2001 05:20 PM
R2 Poke Cup.My L55 Blissey (one HELL of a tank). Enemy Male Attracting Flareon. Blissey Curses up against a leading Attract and repetitive Body Slams. Leftovers puts Body Slam's effectiveness at a minimum. PP waste seems almost sure. Until... Blissey is FULLY ATTRACTED SEVEN TIMES IN A ROW. At that point, Flareon has expended 14 Body Slams, and Blissey has almost 50% health left. Flareon used its final Body Slam. You guessed it--Critical Hit. Blissey fainted. Odds of that: 1 in 2048. Ugh.
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