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The Great Dreamer
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posted 08-19-2001 06:05 PM      Profile for The Great Dreamer   Email The Great Dreamer   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
...there was a Trainer game Enviroment League that offered weekly tournaments along with prizes for the winners with the condition to play a League isolated game?
What I mean by that is that in order to join the League, the judge would back up any game you currently have with a MegaMem, allow you to start a new game. This new game can only be used in the weekly League gatherings, before you leave, your old game will be restored and the new League specific game will be backed up.
There would be a Nintendo64 available for those that wish to use their Stadium series.

This will make a 100% pure Trainer game enviroment without allowing the players with absolutely no life to reign over the others.

The gatherings would last for about 5-8 hours and there's free food and drinks for everyone, but there will also be a tournament fee for those enrolling in tournaments, you don't have to compete in tourneys, you can just hang out and train.

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It would be awesome if they actually did that. Not only would you have a good environment gaming-wise, but you could potentially have an excellent community as well.

More thoughts:

*Lots of beanbag chairs.

*N64s (attatched to big TV screens) where you can:

-Rent time for training in Dodrio mode
-Do an Event Battle for free

*Pokémon simulators where you can test movesets and teams. All pokémon are at level 100 with max stat experience and DVs. Both battlers pick a team of any 6 pokémon, and give them any legal moves. There would be a limit for the amount of time you could spend on the simulator per day, so everybody would get a chance to use it.

*A store that sells Pokémon merchandise.

*Special tournaments with unusual rules (stuff like "no physical attacks allowed" or "you can only use Metronome").

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That would be pretty neat... a rare good idea from TGD...

You could also rent time to test your teams in certain cups on Stadium.

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Well, lah-dee-freakin'-dah!

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Good ideas from TGD aren't rare, they're just hard to accept. This one, however, is his best idea ever. Damn, we should do this with the Overland Parkers.

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BEAUTIFUL RESPONSE!
I'm glad this idea is, so far, so well accepted...I seriously though it was going to be shot down...
The 1st 3 responses are all positive, what are the chances of that!?
I'm going to start a Vegas Trainer Leegue right away, I know the owner of Cheese Boy's, he has a big screen TV in the store, that should be the perfect place to host the League...
Thank you, good or bad, keep those opinions coming...

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Another idea: You can buy a Pokémon game there for $10 or so, but you can't take it with you when you leave. You have to be there to play it.

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Hey, I'm up for a Vegas league! But what the hell is "Cheese Boy's"?

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PsyDork,
Cheese Boy's is a comic book/card/anime store located in Eastern and 215 I think.
It's almost in the Henderson area, in Green Valley that snoby rich people sect...

League rules & Tournament Format;
Draws mean both players loose.
All names that can be entered in the game must be unique within the league (pokémon, player, rival, etc.)
Coaching during battles is not accepted unless it's your team partner during a team multiplayer match only.
Malhandling another player hardware is strictly prohibited.
Duplicating anything in the game and hacking the game are also strictly prohibited and will not be tolerated.
Hacking devices are not allowed in League gatherings.
Players may own only one copy of each version of Pokémon and only one copy of each version of Stadium.
I was thinking in going with Swiss but I though of a new format just for pokemon the other day, I call it Survival Rounds tournament and it goes like this;
Every round random pairings will be determined, fainted pokémon cannot be used again for the remainder of the tourney.
You just keep on using non-fainted pokémon round after round until the one player left standing wins. If players feel that their pokémon are too weak they can concede.
The winner can now challenge the League Champion for the title.
The Challenger can call the match on any game of the series, meaning the Challenger can use any or Edit any of the rules in Stadium 2, play in Stadium, play in Coliseum or Coliseum 2 in the Chromatic series or play in the Metallic series.
If a Challenger is going to use Edit rules, that Challenger must have a copy of Stadium 2. In team matches, if either Challenger or the Champion is going to have a teamate, that Challenger or Champion chooses any Trainer they wish.
Both Challenger and Champion have to be present in a team match and they both have to be versus each other.
If a team wins, all those trainers in that team become League Champions and must be challenged in a team match by the Challenger.
If the League Champion is not present to defend the title by the time a trainer wins the tournament, then the title is forfeit to the Challenger.
The Challenger must always meet the terms of the rules it calls upon.
If a Champion is not able to abide by the Challenger's rules of battle, then the title is forfeit to the Challenger.

Remember that this League is a Trainer game enviroment as opposed to a Strategist game enviroment and no clauses or restrictions except for those already programed into the game that the match is taking place on.

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posted 08-20-2001 04:35 PM      Profile for Turbo X     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree that this is the best idea he's had. Remember TGD, don't push your luck too far though. But up until that point, I'm all for this idea.

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I mean, goldfish lamp wallpaper skeleton in my Bavarian Star or what? Flowers mirror computer Smurfs every time Moses flies playing cards in or around Paris.

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Oh, BTW, I'd rather not have my game(s) backed up by the MegaMem. I don't trust it, and have heard not-so-good things about it. I suggest you think of another way.

How about letting everyone use their current game, and just checking for illegitimate Pokémon at the start of the tournament? This is how it was done at the official Nintendo events, and it worked out well.

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Turbo X,
I know, I know, you're right. But the league needed a tournament format and I want the League Champion to have skill in all aspects of Pokémon. I'll stop making major rules for it from now on.
Did you understand and/or like the rules on my post above?

PsyDork,
I have used a MegaMem for 2 years and had no problems with it. People don't realize that you have to turn off the MegaMem first before turning off the GB, that's also why Stadium seems to erase games, you have to exit before shutting down.

"How about letting everyone use their current game, and just checking for illegitimate Pokémon at the start of the tournament? This is how it was done at the official Nintendo events, and it worked out well."
Worked well for skilled hackers that is, the ones that edit and calculate the game time, have high or perfect key genes instead of all of them, the ones that make it look natural. It "seemed" it worked well for those unable to detect serious elite hackery.
So, no sir, I will not allow a window where hackers might get through, I want a fair fight and a clean League for everyone.
I'm the one responsible for the conduct of the Trainers, I'm the one that will be getting the food and drinks, I am the one that know sthe owner and thus we have a place with tables and a big screen TV to battle and I'm the one who will, regardless on how many pay tournament fees, buy the prizes, one for the winner and one at random, I'm the one who is going to work my butt of on this thing to make sure everyone has a good time and I'm the one who will spread this league to other parts of the world take it I find individuals I can trust. So I feel that I at LEAST should have a say on what type of game enviroment I want in the league and that enviroment is a 100% pure, squeaky clean and fair enviroment for everyone to play in, in this league, Pokémon is going to be played the way it was meant to be, if Strategists don't like it, they can go back home and play with a simulator all day and earn nothing...

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The whole point of tournaments is to use the Pokémon you've spent months training!

I don't think anyone is going to like the idea of starting the game over just to compete in some un-official league. It takes several weeks to raise a team of 3-6 level 100 Pokémon, and I don't plan on starting the game over and battling with weak ass Pokémon.

If you do something like this, I suggest you hold 2 tournaments. One for people who would like to start over and do things your way, and another for people like me who want to use the Pokémon they've worked hard training.

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PsyDork,
How do I know you're not just some elite Poké-hacker? There is NO way I can tell if you hack things right...
I'm not going to do the 2 tournament thing because I'm not going to have a whole lot of people at first, maybe 10-20 and because the hackers will beat or taunt the non-hackers and encourage them to pick up a hacking device like I've seen happen many times.
If you have a better idea let me know but I'm not going to spend time and effort in creating a hack-fest league.

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I don't really trust the MegaMem either, which is why I suggested the "permanent cartridge rental" thing. That way, people won't have to worry about their existing game being lost. Or, alternatively, they could transfer all their items and pokémon to a Stadium game, and then restart and leave their cartridge at the League.

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How do I know you're not just some elite Poké-hacker?

I've worked with the reps at a lot of the previous tour stops. Ya know, as a Master Trainer? I know several people from Team Nintendo, as well as most of the DSL staff that worked the events.

I do hack Pokémon, but not for use in actual tournaments. All my tournament-used Pokémon were raised, not hacked. Of course, most people who DO hack will use the cheated Pokémon. But making people start from scratch is much worse than a few hacked Pokémon.

I've battled many people from Las Vegas, and most of them didn't even know what DV's and all that other stuff was. They certainly didn't know how to hack max stat Pokémon. So I really don't think you have much to worry about. I've beaten many people who use hacked Pokémon at the events held in other states, and a few hacks in the tournament environment shouldn't be much of a problem.

Of course, it is your league, but if you make people start over, it won't be any fun.

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I'm sure I'm not a hacker. I don't even own a GS. I've done everything *french accent* au-natural.
Anyway, I liked the way that the champion can get knocked off so easily (well, it's easy in my opinion anyway).

TGD: Keep up with these ideas, and people might begin to respect you. Don't take that the wrong way, there might be a few out there right now that already accept you.

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I mean, goldfish lamp wallpaper skeleton in my Bavarian Star or what? Flowers mirror computer Smurfs every time Moses flies playing cards in or around Paris.


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posted 08-21-2001 12:31 AM      Profile for The Great Dreamer   Email The Great Dreamer   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Twinkle,
That is a good idea but I don't think people would want to pay for cartridges they already have. If they would, I would, but until I'm sure I'll stick with the cheaper option...

PsyBro,
You CANNOT detect an elite poke-hacker unless they told you, that's why they are elite.
O.K., so you have trained your pokemon honestly, but, have you hacked anything else?
Have you made items out of nowhere in the games you use to battle others?
Have you duplicated anything either by hacking, Missingno or re-starting the game?
Are you truly clean?
You can say so but the fact is that I'll never now for sure...
Tell you what, I've been thinking...
I think you're right when I mesure the threat of Strategists infiltrating a pure Trainer league and the acceptance of the hard work of honest players.
This is as happy medium as I can do;
I'll let carts that are clean in the league, but if I find one flaw...just one, I'll either request the removal of the variable or tell them they'll have to restart.
From that point on there will be a separate copy of their game in my MegaMems and that would be their League game, the only copy that can be used in League activities.
Restore it when they come in and save it when they leave. This is as far as I stretch...

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Well, do what you want, but that whole MegaMem thing is a bad idea. I don't know if people will feel comfortable backing up their hard-earned Pokémon every time they come to the league. And if you lose someone's data, you'll be in some serious shit.

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I'm planning to transfer all my pokémon to my Crystal game, then wipe my Silver one. No MegaMem for me, thanks.

Anyone planning to set up a league in the Tacoma, WA area? Or I could just go to NoA HQ and ask them to do it...

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quote:
Originally posted by The Great Dreamer:
I'll let carts that are clean in the league, but if I find one flaw...just one, I'll either request the removal of the variable or tell them they'll have to restart.

Wait a minute! Wouldn't this defeat the purpose, only allowing play in the League? I still think the MegaMem or League-only cart method is the best option. I mean, Nintendo checks for "just one flaw", but you still get cheaters in tournaments.

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Oy...PsyDork doesn't like the bran new game idea, but Twinkle does...

Twinkle and PsyDork,
If the league does good, I'll use the profit money to invest in rental carts to avoid using MegaMem, even though there is nothing wrong with it, maybe you guys didn't turn off the MegaMem before turning off the GB or maybe you 2 have bad MegaMems, I dunno...
Twinkle is right, even if I'm able to stop the cheating after they enlist, they can still set things up before they enlist.

The question is, would a Strategist be interested in joining a league where they can absolutely cannot hack after they join BUT any natural looking hacks before they enroll would be permited?
Does the fact that they will no longer be able to cheat after they join just turn them off from joining in the first place?
I am preventing cheating by backing their game up in a MegaMem when they leave league gatherings and restoring that league only copy when they arrive, this way the other players and I can make sure that no one cheats.

Remember that whenever I choose to have people restart or just inspect their games for anything off, the game will still be backed up and restored only in league gatherings to make sure they don't cheat...

I need Strategists to answer the questions above so I can make my decision...

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You do know that most strategists hack, right? How else can they try out numerous strategies in such a short amount of time? I myself am a strategist, and I say that as long as the Pokémon in the league do not have stats that exceed their max or attacks that cannot be learned by that particular Pokémon, let them in.

As it is, you and I are probably the only people living in Vegas that know all the science behind the game. If anyone else has hacked their stats, they'll probably be something like 999/999/999 etc., which can easily be identified and disposed of.

Besides, I have a legit max stat Starmie that I caught and raised without any help from a cheat device. But from what you are saying, if you saw it in my game, you would assume that I hacked it and would force me to get rid of it and start a new game.

If you are going to have tournaments, I suggest you run them like the Nintendo tours used to be run. I have worked at about 10-15 of the official Nintendo tournaments, and can help you out if you need someone to fill you in on all the rules and regulations of the events.

But if you decide to make people start over, then the outcome of your league will be poor to say the least. I'll be glad to help with whatever I can, but I won't necessarily participate in the league itself.

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PsyDork,
If I see a perfect starmie, that's fine, I won't assume you hacked, if I see a dozen, one more rare TM, not enough hours in the game and other factors, I'll start getting suspicious.
Look, I know you are a Strategist, wich is why it's hard for you to understand how Training and Trading balance the game.
The game is not meant to be hacked, the Strategic link battle feature of the game is supposed to be attached to the RPG element of the game, they come as a package deal, not as separate. Satoshi Tajiri said he wanted players to trade and trade alot, this is proof enough that hacking the game is not in Satoshi's vision of Pokémon.
If you hack you then need clauses and bans and if you do that you are no longer playing Pokémon. In Pokémon you have to Train your pokémon, you have to Trade to get stuff you want or need and you have to have enough Tech to know what to do with your power.
Pokémon, in many aspects, is like martial arts, there is a world of strategy in a fight, but strategy alone won't cut it, you need power in order to aquire that power you need to train hard.
Pokémon is more like martial arts than it is like chess.
The only thing Nintendo knows about Pokémon is how to market it, nothing more nothing less. Their tournament events where sloppy at best, allowing hordes of hackers to break through their poorly educated ranks, allowing duplication, a clear violation to the rules of Pokémon, and setting their own outside rules and the birth of clauses and bans. Fact is, Nintendo has a vision on how Pokémon should be ran and Game Freak has another, me myself, I'm in Game Freak's corner, the creators of the game and the ones that know how the game should be ran.
Thanks to Nintendo and their ignorant rules, since they are the marketing company and are way more popular than Game Freak, most players have been Nintendoctrinated to Nintendo's way of playing and when someone like me plays by the true rules of the game and refuse to recognize Nintendoctrine rules, they call me a cheater...there is a word for that, it's called Bull Shit.
So, no, I'm not going to run my league according to Nintendoctrine, I'm going to run it like Game Freak would want it to run, keeping the elements of the game intact.
I'm not saying don't ever use a hacking device, sure use them...for proxy playing only, to test out moves sets before you put in hard work behind it, but that is all.

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If the game wasn't meant to be hacked, AH wasn't meant to exist......

*wonders if there is anyone in the Seattle area that knows how to build nukes* j/k

I think some Nintendo employees should visit this board. They'll get a lot of input, and I don't see why they wouldn't want to...


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To be perfectly honest, I'd rather wait for Nintendo to have another official tournament than play in a league like this.

*notes that means he'd never play in a league like this*

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I myself would prefer a normal tournement, but oh well.
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Nick, Zerot and Jolt;
O.K., great, that means that Strategists like you guys would be repeled if I scanned and eliminated illegal variables in the game in order to join the league...PERFECT!
That means that no cheaters will join this league and that is exactly what I'm after, let the Strategists play their half-assed game on their simulators and bots along with other clausewhores, simsluts and botbitches and let the Trainers, the true players of Pokemon play the way the game was meant to be. Let them use their sharks at home to proxy test their tactics, let them come in and train hard, let them trade amongst each other, let them play in tournaments and win prizes and most of all, let them have fun the way Pokemon was meant to deliver...
Let the Strategists stay at home, let the Trainers come out and play...

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posted 08-22-2001 11:32 AM      Profile for NickWhiz1   Author's Homepage   Email NickWhiz1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I guess I'm a cheater because I multiply items.

I have never used a Gameshark to catch max stat Pokemon, manipulate DVs, or even shark max stat exp. In fact, I don't even have a Gameshark.

However, since I multiply items, I'm a cheater, and a "strategist".

I'm apparently one in a long line that manipulate the game for strategy and for strategic play.

Just because I multiply items.

I find nothing wrong with multiplying items, as it does not involve a Gameshark. I am highly anti-Gameshark, but an in-game glitch does not count as Gameshark.

But, according to TGD, I'm still a cheater.

Wait a second, why should I be listening to TGD. His opinions don't mean anything...

And for reference, I don't RC to 100 and vitamin fully anymore.

I just use RCs to check for DVs, then turn the game off, vitamin them up, and train from Level 5.

But, since it involves RCs and vitamins, that makes me a cheater.

Since I have to multiply them most of the time, that makes me a cheater.

I suppose that makes 99% of us cheaters then.

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posted 08-22-2001 11:59 AM      Profile for gruco        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nick, I responded to you in this thread.

I think it was more on topic there, that's all....


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posted 08-22-2001 12:40 PM      Profile for The Great Dreamer   Email The Great Dreamer   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nick,
Amen to that, brothah...
What you fail to realize is that duplicating ANYTHING in the game cripples the Trade balancing variable, throwing off the whole equilibrium of the game.
Duplicating is cheating, and this is not my opinion, this comes straight from the creator of Pokémon, Satoshi Tajiri, he did say he wants to make players trade amogst eachother and you cannot do that if you multiply your rare trade stuff.
I'm not saying you're a complete Strategist, you're more of a half-assed Strategist...
I mean if you're going to cheat, go all the way, man...if you're not, go all the way too.
God, I hate this grey area shit...
Anyway, thanks for your input...

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Well TGD, I think you should just drop this whole idea. Why? Because you seem to be the only person in the world, except maybe for Satoshi Tajiri, that wants a trainer environment. Everyone else wants heated competition using the Pokémon they trained to level 100, or in some cases hacked. If you want a successful league, you should allow both of these kinds of people in. Otherwise, you'll be making an effort for nothing.

Let me give you an example. What religion are you? You don't need to tell me, but consider this. Do you refuse to be friends with people of another religion than your own? Do you refuse to let people of another religion work with you, because your afraid they will mock you and say their religion is better? Are you afraid they're going to try and convert you?

The point is, the whole trainer/strategist thing is like 2 religions. They both believe similar things, but also believe very different things. Not allowing strategists in your league would be, in a way, a type of racism. It would be un-fair to those of us that are different in our Pokémon ways.

Also, who says that the hackers would beat and taunt the non-hackers? I myself am the only hacker/strategist in Vegas that I know of. And certainly the most skilled, considering I'm here on Azure Heights. And would I beat and taunt the non-hackers? Hell no! I'd do what I did at the events I worked at. I would teach the non-hackers new strategies and secrets that they don't know about. Strategies and secrets I found while hacking the game, but that can be done without a cheat device. Strategies that the non-hackers could not figure out because they play legit and do not shark expensive or hard-to-get attacks on they're Pokémon in order to try them out.

Now see? If you allow both kinds of players in the league, a lot of good may come from it! Those who would normally only have a Charizard with Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Ember, and Dig, will now realize that it is worth the effort to train a better, harder-to-find fire type, as well as make an effort to get some hard-earned attacks on it. All without a cheat device.

So I suggest you think about what I just said, and change your rulings so that everyone can participate. It seems only fair, right?

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I'm pretty sure that wasn't the point. I somewhat disagree with TGD's, um, expression of the purpose of this League, but the concept isn't bad. You can always go somewhere where Strategists are welcome. TGD's purpose was to provide an environment for Trainers only, not to get Strategists banned from all Pokémon Leagues in existence! I have no problem with someone sharking an instant team: I just want to be sure that I'm not fighting one when I battle. People are free to play the game however thay want. But, I personally only want to play in a game environment that I like, the one of Pure Training. TGD is offering an opportunity to do this. I hope this helps clear up any confusion about the purpose of such a League.

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Not allowing strategists in your league would be, in a way, a type of racism.

Wow, "strategists" are a race of their own, now? I think the word you're looking for is "bigotry".

That said, TGD's plan is not bigotry, any more than holding a golf tournament and restricting the golfers to a certain number of clubs, or holding a baseball team to a certain roster size, etc.

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posted 08-23-2001 08:06 PM      Profile for The Great Dreamer   Email The Great Dreamer   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
PsyDork,
"The point is, the whole trainer/strategist thing is like 2 religions. They both believe similar things, but also believe very different things."
No it's not, religion revolves around the ultimate truth and the ultimate truth of all things is a mistery and it is seldom no mistery when someone cheats at a game, so, this is a bad example.
"I would teach the non-hackers new strategies and secrets that they don't know about." ...and what do you think they'll do when they see that you win with 100,000 times less the effort? Mimic you, go out and buy a hacking device, then make everything out of nowhere "within what is legal", no one trades, no one trains, balance goes out the window, the game breaks and cracks right open like a nut, clauses and bans need to be introduced in order to seal the balance vaccuum screwing the usefullness of certain pokémon in the process, the league becomes a PBS enviroment, the meta game shrinks to a handfull of pokémon, I suddently realized what I have done and finnaly comit simpuku(ritual suicide) by hanging myself outside my balcony window.
THAT's what will happen, the world goverments made counterfitting money illegal for a reason, the same reason I will make illegal counterfit variables in my Pokémon league.
Look, if you want a cheater's league, go right ahead, I'm not stopping you, have the cheaters and hackers and Strategists hack away to their delight, but not in my league they're not, because this is going to be a Pokémon league where players play Pokémon, not some hacking game USING Pokémon's elements...
Hacking devices are fine for proxy play, to test stuff and research, nothing more.
Anything else and they cripple the balance of the game...


Twinkle and White Cat,
...wow, for once people understand exactly what I'm saying...this must be the 7th sign of the Apocalipse...
*good thing he bough plenty of goodies during Y2K *

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