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Rolken
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posted 06-14-2000 09:28 PM
I got into an argument with my friend today over whether movesets or stats are more important.So now $20 is riding on the thesis that I can beat a team of three of whatever he wants to use against my three which have base stats of under 350 and can be obtained before Cerulean City. I'm pretty sure he's going to use: Mewtwo -Blizzard -Thunder -Psychic -Recover Mew -Fire Blast -Thunder -Psychic -Softboiled Charizard -Ember -Flamethrower -Fire Blast -Slash He's a great friend, but he's a real dimwit when it comes to Pokémon. He also Rare Candies and copies TMs like crazy. He ALWAYS uses the same team, which I ALWAYS have beaten. Hopefully, this will be a challenge. 
My tentative team is: Wigglytuff -Sing -Body Slam -Rest -Submission Beedrill -Focus Energy -Pin Missile -Agility -Hyper Beam Raticate -Hyper Fang -Hyper Beam -Focus Energy -Toxic Wiggly's moveset won't be changing; it's one of my favorites. I'm pretty strapped for TMs now, so I have to make do. All I really need is enough time for them to fire off a Hyper Beam.
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Mr. K
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posted 06-14-2000 10:25 PM
You might try a test vs. the CPU in Stadium.I don't think that Beedrill's going to make it, if the guy knows his type weaknesses. He's dead to one Psychic and probably dead to one Flamethrower, too. Wiggly'll have to be lucky with Paralysis without a Hyper Beam finisher. And I don't think Raticate will have much time to power up either. ...but if either of those guys get a chance to unload, they'll do well. I just don't think they'll be able to make it. Wiggly's the only one who can take more than 2 strong hits...maybe the power of PAR be with you... Let us know how you do! ------------------ KOFFING! Azure Heights Pokémon Laboratory
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Argo
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posted 06-15-2000 12:47 AM
I suggest going with Mr. K's chansey...for one reason..submission will do you no good,2 psychic's and a flyer.Replace with hyperbeam. Hmmm...what else...uhm..dont forget clefable,...she's good...try: Light screen T-wave Seismic toss Rest Should counter mewtwo fine... Try to paralyze his whole team...and for beedrill,use twin needle over the missle.And if everything is paralyzed,you wontworry about poison. Hmmm...what else..oh yea... You can try golem with explosion/rock slide/quake/whatever.. So go for wiggly,clefable,and the drill. ------------------ AIM:Argothian Wurm "Ditto! use your special of 2 to launch an overpowering psychic blast!" -cfalcon "It's gonna be a Psybro!" -Ash -Argo
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MewtwoSama
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posted 06-15-2000 01:10 AM
Clefable and Golem are too strong for the 350 criteria...You can get a Graveler. Try to take out Char with it. Then play it kamikaze with Explosion. RockSlide,Earthquake,Substitute,Explosion Wiggytuff will have to be the workhorse against Mew/two. Play it with T-wave and BodySlam BodySlam,T-wave,DoubleEdge,Rest Raticate: FocusEnergy,HyperBeam,SuperFang,HyperFang ------------------ AIM: MewtwoSama Rejoice that I honor you with these words, rubbish! Bow before my magnificence and might, and I may spare you when my time arrives. But only if it pleases me to do so!
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starCaliber
is evil and also MewtwoSama
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posted 06-15-2000 03:54 PM
Rolken, I salute you. This is the kind of match that will be so rewarding when you win it (notice how I said "when," not "if").
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Givera
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posted 06-20-2000 12:35 AM
Can you get Toby b4 Cerulean City?? ::checks guide:: you can get him just to the right (east?) of Cerulean... use him or are one of his stats too high?? I don't suppose you can use Chansey... but if you could Chansey + Light Screen would stop everything on there... The most powerful attack from any of them (Mewtwo using Psychic) would cause at MOST 75 damage to a Max Chansey w/ LS... With Softboiled you could EASILY clean that up whenever you need... the only phys attack is on Charizard and will cause 241 - 284 damage which Chansey can EASILY survive and then use Counter to KO Charizard... you're left with an attack to finish the rest... I think Seismic Toss would be fine for that... (Light Screen, Counter, Seismic Toss, Soft Boiled) - BTW I haven't played around with the BDF for a while so my math might be off... A clefable with a similar moveset could PROBABLY do as well... Drop SB for... Rest?? If it's GB you can use Parasyrex... Golduck with Amnesia, Ice Beam, Dig, and... surf or Rest?? (Golduck WILL survive one Thunder unless it's a CH... If you get lucky you could Amnesia up and then Rest... If you manage all 3 Amnesias Goldy can survive 3 Thunder's in a Row so he can keep Resting until M2 and M run out of Thunder's...) Hmm... Thunder would 1-Hit KO a Kingler... A 'Trode with Light Screen should be able to survive those guys... M2 Psychic vs. 'Trode LS = 81-96 damage... He could use LS, Rest, TWave, and Explosion... Hey! You can use Starmie (In Yellow you can find him by Fishing south of Pallet...) Light Screen, Recover, Minimize, and Surf... Thunder from M2 vs. Starmie = 236-278 (After LS 124-146) Alright I need to hurry up... but the following Poke's could be used (I think...) Mr. Mime, Jynx, and I *THINK* Ditto... Tommorow I'll work out movesets for those guys if I wake up early enough... -Givera------------------ "Yea..." -Heero Yuy
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Rolken
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posted 06-20-2000 04:42 PM
You have to be able to catch the Pokémon before reaching Cerulean in the RPG; i.e., you can catch a Poliwag but you don't have a rod to get it with.We changed the rules anyway, so it's no holds barred now. ------------------ "It will make you laugh, cry, want to kill Fanha, laugh again, cry some more, want to kill TeeJay, etc." -StarCaliber, on Mewtwo's Cheapness Revisited
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Givera
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posted 06-21-2000 12:22 PM
Okay so no holds barred you can use ANY guys??Electrode - Light screen, Thunderwave, Rest, Explosion You can start off with TWave or LScreen which ever you feel more comfortable with... after LScreen most of there attacks will do little enough damage that you can sleep through them with Rest... Explosion won't KO any of them but the more important issue is that you use it on someone who's paralyzed so that one of the next two guys can get setup... Slowbro - Amnesia, Rest, Surf, Thunderwave/Double Team After 'Trode goes boom then Slowbro can come in and immediately start using Amnesia. It's your choice as to use Thunderwave or Double Team... Once Amnesia is maxed out Surf will KO MewX in at most 2 Hits and Charizard in 1... Chansey - Light Screen, Counter, Seismic Toss, Softboiled Like I said earlier - Light Screen will make all of his special attacks near useless and he'll have to use Charizard's Slash which Counter is waiting for... if you want to drop Softboiled for Rest to give him more PP that should work too... except that Chansey can only survive two Slash's at a time... but that's from a Max Attack Charizard so if he's candied you MIGHT survive three... something else to consider is use Rest when MewX is in play and hope he doesn't switch the same turn... he could switch the NEXT turn and get only one Slash on you before you wake up... then you have enough HP to survive another for Counter... I *THINK* that team would have quite a good chance against his... -Givera ------------------ "Yea..." -Heero Yuy
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Rolken
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posted 06-21-2000 08:17 PM
Well, he totally revamped his team, to my great surprise.He ripped off the Stadium R-2 Mewtwo, which was hellish for my Chansey to overcome. He also threw away Charizard and Mew for a cloned Swift-Dancing Mew and a Golem. Fortunately, he's getting coaching from an as-of-yet-unknown source, and may actually retain some skill.  His extra two from his two defeats were Snorlax and Electrode, also surprisingly, which totally threw over my team (altho it WAS a 5 on 3 fight). I have a similar Electrode setup to yours, altho Rest's pretty pointless if yer just gonna blow him up anyway. I also prefer Reflect over T-wave 'cause he already will almost always have the speed advantage and 1/2 physical damage is better then 3/4 attacks IMO, altho it also depends. I also have a Snorlax similar to that setup, but I dislike most Slowbro, and an identical Chansey. The record's 2-1 after Game 3 yesterday, so I get to use four Pokémon; Pikachu, Wiggly, Electrode and Chansey made the team. Snorlax will come in if I lose Game 4 tomorrow. Thanx! ------------------ "It will make you laugh, cry, want to kill Fanha, laugh again, cry some more, want to kill TeeJay, etc." -StarCaliber, on Mewtwo's Cheapness Revisited
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