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Rolken
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posted 06-14-2000 09:28 PM      Profile for Rolken   Author's Homepage   Email Rolken   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I got into an argument with my friend today over whether movesets or stats are more important.

So now $20 is riding on the thesis that I can beat a team of three of whatever he wants to use against my three which have base stats of under 350 and can be obtained before Cerulean City.

I'm pretty sure he's going to use:

Mewtwo
-Blizzard
-Thunder
-Psychic
-Recover

Mew
-Fire Blast
-Thunder
-Psychic
-Softboiled

Charizard
-Ember
-Flamethrower
-Fire Blast
-Slash


He's a great friend, but he's a real dimwit when it comes to Pokémon. He also Rare Candies and copies TMs like crazy. He ALWAYS uses the same team, which I ALWAYS have beaten. Hopefully, this will be a challenge.

My tentative team is:

Wigglytuff
-Sing
-Body Slam
-Rest
-Submission

Beedrill
-Focus Energy
-Pin Missile
-Agility
-Hyper Beam

Raticate
-Hyper Fang
-Hyper Beam
-Focus Energy
-Toxic


Wiggly's moveset won't be changing; it's one of my favorites. I'm pretty strapped for TMs now, so I have to make do. All I really need is enough time for them to fire off a Hyper Beam.

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posted 06-14-2000 10:25 PM      Profile for Mr. K   Author's Homepage   Email Mr. K   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You might try a test vs. the CPU in Stadium.

I don't think that Beedrill's going to make it, if the guy knows his type weaknesses. He's dead to one Psychic and probably dead to one Flamethrower, too.

Wiggly'll have to be lucky with Paralysis without a Hyper Beam finisher.

And I don't think Raticate will have much time to power up either.

...but if either of those guys get a chance to unload, they'll do well. I just don't think they'll be able to make it.

Wiggly's the only one who can take more than 2 strong hits...maybe the power of PAR be with you...

Let us know how you do!

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posted 06-14-2000 10:40 PM      Profile for TeeJay     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If Wiggly can take 2 good hits, why not try using Bide? It is so funny when someone hits my bided Chansey, they know they have 800 damage coming at them, they scramble for a Pokemon to die. BTW, Bide is 100% acc. (or 99.6, or whatever the technical # is, u know what i mean)

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I suggest going with Mr. K's chansey...for one reason..submission will do you no good,2 psychic's and a flyer.

Replace with hyperbeam.

Hmmm...what else...uhm..dont forget clefable,...she's good...try:

Light screen
T-wave
Seismic toss
Rest

Should counter mewtwo fine...

Try to paralyze his whole team...and for beedrill,use twin needle over the missle.And if everything is paralyzed,you wontworry about poison.

Hmmm...what else..oh yea...

You can try golem with explosion/rock slide/quake/whatever..

So go for wiggly,clefable,and the drill.

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Clefable and Golem are too strong for the 350 criteria...

You can get a Graveler.
Try to take out Char with it.
Then play it kamikaze with Explosion.
RockSlide,Earthquake,Substitute,Explosion

Wiggytuff will have to be the workhorse against Mew/two. Play it with T-wave and BodySlam
BodySlam,T-wave,DoubleEdge,Rest

Raticate:
FocusEnergy,HyperBeam,SuperFang,HyperFang

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quote:
Originally posted by TeeJay:
If Wiggly can take 2 good hits, why not try using Bide?

An interesting idea...the problem with Bide is that it gives the opponent free power up time...so that they actually will be able to kill Wiggly in 2 attacks!

But it might work against stupid trainers...or at least the CPU in Stadium.

Hmmm. I'll have to think about that. Thanks for the idea.

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posted 06-15-2000 11:22 AM      Profile for pkboy   Author's Homepage   Email pkboy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
umm, well...since you know his team...

Maybe you can use blastoise...heh, i mean who would have a better chance vs his charizard? Graveler (2nd of 3 evolutions), or blastoise...a water pokemon.

well anyway...good luck

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Rolken
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posted 06-15-2000 12:06 PM      Profile for Rolken   Author's Homepage   Email Rolken   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can't use Blastoise; its stats are 425. I also don't have Stadium.

This is my general all-purpose Wigglytuff; I didn't raise it specifically for this battle, unlike the others. That's why it has Submission. But Bide's probably better in the long run anyway-I think I'll use it.

I refuse to use Clefable. I thought of Graveler before, but I discarded it 'cause of its weaknesses to Water and Grass. I forgot that he doesn't use them.

So, rather than Beedrill:

Graveler
-Rock Slide
-Explosion
-Mimic (should be fun)
-Double Team (also for fun)

This is gonna be great!

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posted 06-15-2000 12:49 PM      Profile for Ryoga   Author's Homepage   Email Ryoga   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmmm before cerulean...
Will an alakazam be able to sneak in, its at cerulean...ish
Or you could have butterfree, maybe
DT
stun/sleep powder
supersonic
some decent move

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posted 06-15-2000 01:20 PM      Profile for Elian   Author's Homepage   Email Elian   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i doubt that u could use it, but u might be able to use a Gyrados!

*thinks u kinda screwd your self*

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Rolken
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I can't use Gyarados or Alakazam; their stats are too high.

Buterfree'd get smoked by a Thunder, Blizzard or Fire Blast. Double Team would be too risky, anyway.

Our battle's tomorrow, so I'll have a great story then!

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Rolken, I salute you. This is the kind of match that will be so rewarding when you win it (notice how I said "when," not "if").
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Good luck Rolken. I really hope that you can prove brains over brawn.

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Rolken
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posted 06-15-2000 10:05 PM      Profile for Rolken   Author's Homepage   Email Rolken   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, he called me today; his great-grandma died, and her funeral's tomorrow. (Don't feel sympathetic; he only met her once. :rolleyes

So we upped our battle to today. The results are in the Wiggly Cup topic.

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Um... you can catch a zubat before cerulean right? Good. Get yourself golbat with:

Haze
Leech Life
Screech
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Why not Parasect (though the weaknesses might overwhelm it) or Jynx for Sleep support?

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Rolken
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quote:
Originally posted by Magician Type 0:
Um... you can catch a zubat before cerulean right? Good. Get yourself golbat with:

Haze
Leech Life
Screech
Confuse Ray


No way! Against someone without legendaries, maybe, but every attack on his Mewtwo and two on Mew are super effective against Golbat. I don't have anything against Golbat, but it just wouldn't work. Beedrill's kicked for the same reason.

I also used Parasect at the first tourney, and it got smoked by a barrage of Fire Blasts and Blizzards.

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Can you get Toby b4 Cerulean City?? ::checks guide:: you can get him just to the right (east?) of Cerulean... use him or are one of his stats too high??
I don't suppose you can use Chansey... but if you could Chansey + Light Screen would stop everything on there... The most powerful attack from any of them (Mewtwo using Psychic) would cause at MOST 75 damage to a Max Chansey w/ LS... With Softboiled you could EASILY clean that up whenever you need... the only phys attack is on Charizard and will cause 241 - 284 damage which Chansey can EASILY survive and then use Counter to KO Charizard... you're left with an attack to finish the rest... I think Seismic Toss would be fine for that... (Light Screen, Counter, Seismic Toss, Soft Boiled) - BTW I haven't played around with the BDF for a while so my math might be off...
A clefable with a similar moveset could PROBABLY do as well... Drop SB for... Rest??
If it's GB you can use Parasyrex...
Golduck with Amnesia, Ice Beam, Dig, and... surf or Rest?? (Golduck WILL survive one Thunder unless it's a CH... If you get lucky you could Amnesia up and then Rest... If you manage all 3 Amnesias Goldy can survive 3 Thunder's in a Row so he can keep Resting until M2 and M run out of Thunder's...)
Hmm... Thunder would 1-Hit KO a Kingler...
A 'Trode with Light Screen should be able to survive those guys... M2 Psychic vs. 'Trode LS = 81-96 damage... He could use LS, Rest, TWave, and Explosion...
Hey! You can use Starmie (In Yellow you can find him by Fishing south of Pallet...) Light Screen, Recover, Minimize, and Surf... Thunder from M2 vs. Starmie = 236-278 (After LS 124-146)
Alright I need to hurry up... but the following Poke's could be used (I think...) Mr. Mime, Jynx, and I *THINK* Ditto... Tommorow I'll work out movesets for those guys if I wake up early enough...
-Givera

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Mr. Mime - He could use Light Screen and Seismic Toss... unless you want Meditate and Double Slap... (That would be interesting...) ::checks BDF:: Double Slap wouldn't do good enough to replace ST even after 6x Med's... hmm... what about BS or DE... DE could do upto 229 damage... and BS can do upto 195 that's not too bad... So what about LS, BS, Rest, and Med?? Then you only need to worry about Charizard's Slash...
Jynx - Jynx can easily survive upto 4 Psychic's from M2... but Charizard might be worrysome... Jynx can survive one Flamethrower... on the other hand Charizard can BARELY survive a Blizzard from Jynx... So... Lovely Kiss is an obvious choice for Mewtwo + Mew... You could choose Ice Beam over Blizzard if you want to first risk Sleeping Charizard... You'd need Seismic Toss against Mewtwo as Ice Beam won't be doing enough damage... (Too bad you cann't attempt at convincing him "Yea you can teach Jynx Dream Eater in G/S!! For Real!! I traded her over, taught her Dream Eater, and traded her back!!")

One last thought - Starmie with Reflect, Lightscreen, Minimize, and Rest... that would be 160 PP (After full PP ups) to waste him into oblivion... of course that depends if he's smart enough to figure out to keep switching... if so Surf might go over Minimize and possible Recover back over Rest...
-Givera

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Rolken
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posted 06-20-2000 04:42 PM      Profile for Rolken   Author's Homepage   Email Rolken   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You have to be able to catch the Pokémon before reaching Cerulean in the RPG; i.e., you can catch a Poliwag but you don't have a rod to get it with.

We changed the rules anyway, so it's no holds barred now.

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Okay so no holds barred you can use ANY guys??

Electrode - Light screen, Thunderwave, Rest, Explosion
You can start off with TWave or LScreen which ever you feel more comfortable with... after LScreen most of there attacks will do little enough damage that you can sleep through them with Rest... Explosion won't KO any of them but the more important issue is that you use it on someone who's paralyzed so that one of the next two guys can get setup...

Slowbro - Amnesia, Rest, Surf, Thunderwave/Double Team
After 'Trode goes boom then Slowbro can come in and immediately start using Amnesia. It's your choice as to use Thunderwave or Double Team... Once Amnesia is maxed out Surf will KO MewX in at most 2 Hits and Charizard in 1...

Chansey - Light Screen, Counter, Seismic Toss, Softboiled
Like I said earlier - Light Screen will make all of his special attacks near useless and he'll have to use Charizard's Slash which Counter is waiting for... if you want to drop Softboiled for Rest to give him more PP that should work too... except that Chansey can only survive two Slash's at a time... but that's from a Max Attack Charizard so if he's candied you MIGHT survive three... something else to consider is use Rest when MewX is in play and hope he doesn't switch the same turn... he could switch the NEXT turn and get only one Slash on you before you wake up... then you have enough HP to survive another for Counter...

I *THINK* that team would have quite a good chance against his...
-Givera

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posted 06-21-2000 08:17 PM      Profile for Rolken   Author's Homepage   Email Rolken   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, he totally revamped his team, to my great surprise.

He ripped off the Stadium R-2 Mewtwo, which was hellish for my Chansey to overcome. He also threw away Charizard and Mew for a cloned Swift-Dancing Mew and a Golem. Fortunately, he's getting coaching from an as-of-yet-unknown source, and may actually retain some skill.

His extra two from his two defeats were Snorlax and Electrode, also surprisingly, which totally threw over my team (altho it WAS a 5 on 3 fight).

I have a similar Electrode setup to yours, altho Rest's pretty pointless if yer just gonna blow him up anyway. I also prefer Reflect over T-wave 'cause he already will almost always have the speed advantage and 1/2 physical damage is better then 3/4 attacks IMO, altho it also depends.

I also have a Snorlax similar to that setup, but I dislike most Slowbro, and an identical Chansey.

The record's 2-1 after Game 3 yesterday, so I get to use four Pokémon; Pikachu, Wiggly, Electrode and Chansey made the team. Snorlax will come in if I lose Game 4 tomorrow.

Thanx!

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