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SongBear88
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posted 12-21-2001 03:27 PM      Profile for SongBear88   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Normally I don't ask for help but now, I have a very good reason to ask for help. I have my own pokemon message board and a bunch of people from IGN come to the board. They laughed at me and this team. They even dared to say IGN was the best and said you guys were amateurs when I told them you were better then they were. All of you are far more advanced then any of them so I am wondering if you could help me. Here is my team:

Ho-oh (For Raw Power)
Item: Mircle Leaf
-Recover
-Fireblast
-Solar Beam
-Sunny Day

Tyranitar (Ho-oh's and Poliwrath's cover, Tank)
Item: Quickclaw
-Crunch
-Earthquake
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam

Mewtwo (Powerhouse)
Item: Miracle Berry
-Recover
-Psychic
-Thunder Wave
-Explosion

Miltank (Heal Beller)
Item: QuickClaw
-Body Slam
-MilkDrink
-Heal Bell
-EarthQuake

Poliwrath (Clean Up)
Item: Bright Powder
-Mind Reader
-Fissure
-Surf
-Double Team

Ampharos (Pralazer)
Item: Quickclaw
-Thunber
-Thunder Wave
-Rain Dance
-Reflect

Thankyou in advance.


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NiMR0D
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posted 12-21-2001 03:45 PM      Profile for NiMR0D     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Try to replace Ho-oh and Mewtwo (they are too cheap). Your other pokemon are all kinda standard. BTW, is Ho-oh your starter?

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SongBear88
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posted 12-21-2001 04:01 PM      Profile for SongBear88   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They aren't cheap. They are strong. Fully Mastering them is hard to do.
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NiMR0D
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posted 12-21-2001 04:36 PM      Profile for NiMR0D     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
guess that's why every n00b's using them
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posted 12-21-2001 05:09 PM      Profile for Dark_Herakurosu   Author's Homepage   Email Dark_Herakurosu   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ok, I'll rate.

Houou - I'm not even. You can't make me. I hate the cheese trio. Change it. Immediately.

T-Tar - No Rock Slide? Why? And Crunch is not too good, use Pursuit. That way if they use a Psychic-type, its either dead or severely weakened before its switched out.

Mewtwo - I still hate the Cheese trio. See Houou above. (BTW does he even learn Explosion )

Miltank - Standard. You might consider something over Body Slam, as you already have at least 2 Paralyzers.

Poliwrath - Whirlpool over Double Team. They'll hit, switch, hit, switch, etc, unless they're trapped.

Ampharos - Rain Dance/Thunder is too predictable. Try something original for a change.

Overall, you have all standards, and to top it off, you use 2 out of the 3 in the cheese trio. Your score on teh Turtle1337 scale - 2.3/10

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posted 12-21-2001 05:18 PM      Profile for Bowser   Email Bowser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For starters, most people will not even rate your team if you include Houou and Mewtwo in it. Secondly, Mewtwo _cannot_ learn Explosion. He can learn Self-Destruct but not Explosion. Thrid, your team is a bunch of pokes just thrown together, no strategy, not even a hint at synergy. There is good reason why the people at IGN laughed at you. Dump Houou and Mewtwo. They are not "hard to master," they're cheap (well, I don't think Houou is that cheap but most people won't rate/battle you if you have it on your team). Next, grab some Pokemon that can function well together. BTW, IGN < AH. Remember that.
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posted 12-21-2001 05:20 PM      Profile for NiMR0D     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Dark_Herakurosu:
And Crunch is not too good, use Pursuit. That way if they use a Psychic-type, its either dead or severely weakened before its switched out.

Crunch is better. It does 80 damage, and Pursuit does 40 (80 after a switch). Crunch can lower special defence too, and pursuit cannot. Go with Crunch.


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posted 12-21-2001 05:38 PM      Profile for SongBear88   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ok. I like Thunder and Rain Dance because it makes Thunder miss 1/256 times.

quote:
your team is a bunch of pokes just thrown together, no strategy

I have a stragey: Brute Force with some combos. How can I make my team work together?


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quote:
Originally posted by SongBear88:
I have a stragey: Brute Force with some combos.

Brute Force has never been, and never will be, a strategy.

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posted 12-21-2001 07:12 PM      Profile for JoHtO TrAiNeR   Author's Homepage   Email JoHtO TrAiNeR   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by NiMR0D:

Crunch is better. It does 80 damage, and Pursuit does 40 (80 after a switch). Crunch can lower special defence too, and pursuit cannot. Go with Crunch.


Actually, once you think about it...Pursuit is better...OMG, I can't believe I just said that. Just think about it...usually when a pokemon that is suspected to have Crunch comes in against a Psychic, the opp. will try to switch out, but with Pursuit, you can go for the KO or hurt them badly....pretty obvious strategy there...

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posted 12-21-2001 08:15 PM      Profile for SongBear88   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I beat PS2 with Brute Force. I think I will use combos instead through.
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quote:
Originally posted by SongBear88:
I beat PS2 with Brute Force.

wtf? It's not like PS2 is all that hard :\


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posted 12-22-2001 05:12 PM      Profile for Pokemaniac Will   Email Pokemaniac Will   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I know I'm out of this, but I'm going to reply one last time because I feel I have to, and I always have to reply to an argument, tis my duty. I smell loophole!

Crunch is by far better than Pursuit. All Pursuit does is make a double damage hit before switching, which is the same damage amount as Crunch is. Only if the Pokémon has Psychic and only Psychic to attack besides Fire, Normal or whatever type it is that isn't effective against T-Tar, they'll switch. Otherwise they'll keep out the Psychic type and try to get as many hits as possible, and they'll get even more because you'll only be using a weakling Pursuit, as opposed to Crunch which will beat them twice as fast. Plus, Crunch can lower Spc Def and make itself or another Special move stronger against that Pokémon, so just keep this in mind. Now I'm off to another forum...as soon as I find one.

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posted 12-23-2001 01:01 AM      Profile for SDShamshel   Email SDShamshel   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I thought you were gone.

The only Psychics who would stick around to take on Tyranitar are Mewtwo and Hypno, but only if they have Submission.

Alakazam and Espeon sure as hell will not try to sacrifice themselves to try and take out a Tyranitar. In general, Pokemon with recovery moves do not try to go kamikaze.

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SongBear88
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Alot of people tried to take out tyranitar. They were knocked out trying. I never fought against someone with submission. What does it do? I guess I should look it up, but I think you can tell me a more accurate description due to experience.
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posted 12-23-2001 11:57 AM      Profile for SDShamshel   Email SDShamshel   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Submission is a Fighting Type move.

Tyranitar is 4x weak to fighting.

Mewtwo has a 318 Attack Rating.

Hypno tends to come with Curse, which'll boost its attack rating.

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SongBear88
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posted 12-23-2001 01:31 PM      Profile for SongBear88   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is this better:

Mewtwo (Powerhouse)
Item: Miracle Berry
-Recover
-Psychic
-Thunder Wave
-Submission

I still don't know what Submission does through.


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JoHtO TrAiNeR
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posted 12-23-2001 02:32 PM      Profile for JoHtO TrAiNeR   Author's Homepage   Email JoHtO TrAiNeR   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's the scenario:

-Alakazam uses Psychic.
-Trainer Guy switches to Tyranitar.
-It doesn't affect Tyranitar.
(Alakazam Trainer suspects Crunch, so it's switch time)
-Tyranitar uses Pursuit.
-Alakazam Fainted!

-And who the fuck would use a FUCKING Mewtwo anyways? I would KO that piece of shit 2X!

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posted 12-23-2001 04:34 PM      Profile for Cesar   Email Cesar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
umm, both Crunch and pursuit?

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I know I'm out of this, but I'm going to reply one last time because I feel I have to, and I always have to reply to an argument
This sounds familiar.....

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posted 12-23-2001 10:29 PM      Profile for SongBear88   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It sounds like a good idea but what does pursuit do?
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posted 12-27-2001 08:43 AM      Profile for SongBear88   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Since no one would rate mewtwo how about Lugia. What is a good moveset for Lugia. I haven't made one yet so I want to know what experts would say.
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lol what makes you think we'd rate a different Über instead?
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Lugia learns alot of different kinds of moves, through a TM and naturally, and he has exellent stats to go with it, so I've heard. Ho-oh, Mewtwo and Lugia are considered the "cheapest" pokemon by some of (or most of?) the members here, and dislike using or someone else using them. You can mix and match moves if you wish, it is your team you know, just don't expect some people to rate or like it. An ideal move for all three of them is Recover, though.

Considering your other pokemon, thinking of movesets to help each others weaknesses could be a good start; if you think of replacing Ho-oh and Mewtwo/Lugia. I'm unsure of a good replacement, but I think an Alakazam might help, or a Ghost type. You might find it a bit useful to have some sort of baton passer, in my opinion. An Espeon or Girafarig might be of a useful element, but I am unsure about thier skills as baton passers. I'm not sure about Sizor and Umbreon. If they are both weak to fighting, it would add on to your fighting weaknesses from Miltank and Tyranitar.

On the subject on pursuit, I do believe it is a Dark element move that does 40 damage. It's supposed to hit a pokemon before it is returned. I think it would be useful in a Spikes team, or perhaps a on a pokemon knowing Toxic. The object of having pursuit on Tyranitar is to strike fleeing Psychic types that just so happen to pop out vs a different opponent; or maybe one that has been Roared out onto the battle field, perhaps?

I hope this post was of some sort of help.

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