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Dark_Herakurosu
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I finally decided to make a team, after some inspiration from a post in TPM. I use Smeargle. Only clause I follow is Cheese Trio clause, but some people make me use Sleep Clause

Starmie@King's Rock/Miracleberry
T-Wave
Confuse Ray
Surf
Psychic

Smeargle@Miracleberry
Mean Look
Spore
Belly Drum
Baton Pass

Dugtrio@Leftovers
Substitute
Rock Slide
Earthyquake
HP Bug

Celebi@???
Heal Bell
Psychic
Baton Pass/Leech Seed
Sweet Scent/HP Rock*

Rhydon**@Miracleberry
Fissure
Horn Drill
Rest
Sleep Talk

Houndoom@Leftovers
Sunny Day
Solarbeam
Fire Blast
Pursuit

* I dunno exactly how Sweet Scent works. I heard it increases your accuracy, but I also heard it decreases your opponent's evasion.
** Is there any other poke that learns the Fish set? Preferably one with different weaknesses?

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Pokemaniac Will
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posted 12-08-2001 06:00 PM      Profile for Pokemaniac Will   Email Pokemaniac Will   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Starmie isn't Starmie without Recover. Put it over Psychic, you don't need it.

Smeargle is usual. You can add Agility over Mean Look. When that set was paired with a T-Tar is was...horrible!

Dugtrio is pretty poor overall. Nothing but Speed. Try any other Ground type (Except Golem, Onix or Rhydon).

For Celebi Sweet Scent won't work with this set, it reduces opponent's evasivness, like an opposite D-T on your opponent. Try Ancientpower or HP Rock in that spot. Put Recover in the Leech/BP spot.

You're right, Rhydon should be replaced. The only others that learn that set are Mew, Nidoking, Nidoqueen and Tauros. BTW, you should use Mint Berry in case you're against a Ghost or Flyer and need to pick the move.

Crunch over Pursuit, DUH! Sludge Bomb is an option, it's kinda fun to have for Poison.

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Rhydon will absolutely almost useless. I'm pretty sure speed is the main reason that makes a OHKO an effective move and that is something that Rhydon is lacking.

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Pokemaniac Will
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posted 12-08-2001 08:45 PM      Profile for Pokemaniac Will   Email Pokemaniac Will   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Everyone already knows all Ground/Rock types are useless. Except for IDIOTS, who never learn and continue to use Rhydon and Golem.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pokemaniac Will:
Everyone already knows all Ground/Rock types are useless.

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quote:
Rhydon will absolutely almost useless. I'm pretty sure speed is the main reason that makes a OHKO an effective move and that is something that Rhydon is lacking.
That was in RBY

In G/S your level must be greater then or equal to your opponents level. The larger the level difference, the greater the accuracy.

If both you and your opponent are at level 100, the accuracy for guillotine/horn drill/fissure is 29.7%.

quote:
* I dunno exactly how Sweet Scent works. I heard it increases your accuracy, but I also heard it decreases your opponent's evasion.
It does both (in a way).

Think of it as Double Team, but backwards.

Instead of increasing your evasion, you decrese their evasion.
And instead of decrasing their accuracy, you increase your accuracy.

I hope that explained it well...

It works great with moves like Zap Cannon, fissure, and Horn Drill.


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Starmie: Needs recover somewhere. I'll let you decide where.

Smeargle: Nice, but if it doesn't work the first time, you're screwed.

Dugtrio: Quicker marowak basically. Keep it, but watch out for Skarmory.

Celebi: Yeah, recover and AP, Leech seed, or Giga drain in the last 2.

Rhydon: Use Tauros with leftovers.

Houndoom: Keep pursuit, and maybe try flamethrower over fire blast. With sunny day + STAB, you'll still be doing a lot of damage.

Overall: 3x water unless you drop Rhydon for Tauros (You should). Just for fun, you might want to try leading with Tauros and bring Starmie in second. Watch out for skarmory when using dugtrio, especially because smeargle can only BD once.

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Okay, my rants over rates:

The problem with Tauros is this: it still leaves me with a 3x weakness to fighting.
I can't believe no one's mentioned my gaping weaknesses to Bug and Fighting. Blah. This entire team is getting scrapped, except for my Belly Dug combo.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pokemaniac Will:
Everyone already knows all Ground/Rock types are useless. Except for IDIOTS, who never learn and continue to use Rhydon and Golem.

Clever guy...

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posted 12-11-2001 07:48 PM      Profile for Pokemaniac Will   Email Pokemaniac Will   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ok, I'll explain a bit why they are useless, to get through to those who have skulls so thick they can't yet comprehend as to why they are so bad. Note: A lot of Fairly Oddparents material will be used.

Now, I'm just a simple Pokémaniac-Slash-Freelance Writer-Slash-Dragon person, but I can prove to you my point. Before I start the case, I'd like to make a motion. Dee dee dee, dee dee dee *does The Monkey* I'll get to Golem first. His stats are enough to prove how bad he is.

Hit Points 363
Attack 318
Defense 358
Speed 188
Special Attack 208
Special Defense 228

Attack and Defense are high, everything else sucks. On top of that is the types. With a Special Defense of 228, it will get nailed 4X by Water and Grass!!! Not to mention a weakness to common Ice. Slowbro is an easy example to this. Golem may have high Attack, but Slowbro's good Defense will make sure you won't accomplish much from a Quake, and then a single Surf will send it into bye-bye land! Giga Drain is also common with hello, EXEGGUTOR! HP-Grass Jolteon will crush the thing, just about ANY Special move will beat Golem easily!

Now let's move on, shall we? Here's Rhydon!

Hit Points 413
Attack 358
Defense 338
Speed 178
Special Attack 188
Special Defense 188

Wow, 50 more HP than Golem! 50 more Attack, but 20 less Defense and Speed, 20 less Special Attack and FORTY less Special Defense! This thing is even worse! It loses stats just where it NEEDS them! Slower than Golem, worse Defenses and even SNEASEL could beat it with one Surf! P-A-THETIC!

Hit Points 273
Attack 188
Defense 418
Speed 238
Special Attack 158
Special Defense 188

Wow, 418 Defense! Kicks the crap out of it's Ground, Steel and Fighting weaknesses, huh? BUt with 188 Special Defense it rules, doesn't it? And with a HP-Fire in it's arsenal, Onix's 158 Spc Atk will beat Exeggutor for sure! Oh, and that's 238 Speed is nice too! And the 273 HP, where did they get such a Pokemon with awesome stats like these? NEED I SAY MORE?!

The prosecution rests.

Someone: That's your lazer-targeted Defense?

I'm not a lazer technician! *Poof* now I'm a lazer technician!

[ 12-12-2001: Message edited by: Pokemaniac Will ]

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one word: substitute, minty rest, HELLUVA attack, helluva defense


i think i just forgot how do count ;_;

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You'd have to be a complete moron to leave a Rock/Ground type in against a Grass or Water type. Also the weaknesses to Ice and Grass or easily countered because they can use Counter and alot of pokemon have Hidden Power Water/Grass and Golem and Rhydon have a chance to survive it and Counter it back and if you see a Water or Grass type just switch or use other pokemon to kill them and about Slowbro vs Golem one word: EXPLOSION.

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quote:
His stats are enough to prove how bad he is.

Stats aren't everything kiddo. A certain "Persian" was able to do damn well before they took it's guaranteed CH slash away. The only stat he had was 228 speed.


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quote:
Stats aren't everything kiddo. A certain "Persian" was able to do damn well before they took it's guaranteed CH slash away. The only stat he had was 228 speed.

Stats aren't everything? If that's your policy, you'd use a Pokémon that had 178 Defenses all around, 293 HP, 158 Speed and 238 Attacking? Not only that had bad types? I'd think not! One More Thing--CH Reliant Pokémon were better in RBY. One More Thing--Most Pokémon overall were better in RBY. One More Thing--Persian's Speed is 328, not 228.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pokemaniac Will:

Stats aren't everything? If that's your policy, you'd use a Pokémon that had 178 Defenses all around, 293 HP, 158 Speed and 238 Attacking? Not only that had bad types? I'd think not! One More Thing--CH Reliant Pokémon were better in RBY. One More Thing--Most Pokémon overall were better in RBY. One More Thing--Persian's Speed is 328, not 228.

[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: Pokemaniac Will ]


::reads post::

O.o

::shoots himself::

will, stats AREN'T everything. in gsc, good movesets are much more important. Take smeargle for instance. Talk about bad stats. But his moveset potential is limitless, so he gets plenty of rotation.

everyone knows that ch pokemon were better in rby. duh. No one said anything to the contrary. When you read someone's post, don't read it like it's an attack on you, keep an open mind. In this case, I think it was pretty safe to say 10k wasn't insulting you at all. You always sound so damn defensive.

Weedle was much better in rby, I'll agree on that much. I remember this team of nothing but weedles... kicked my ass everytime. Eventually we came up with species clause, and when that still wasn't enough, weedle clause. ::shudders:: once you get poisoned by their stinger, you're as good as dead.

Don't make fun of typos. You will be crucified if you make fun of typos.

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I'm not making fun of the typo, I was just correcting him on the off-chance he put 228 on purpose.

Anyway, if you knew what my life was like, you'd know why I'm always defensive. Don't drag Smeargle into this, it can learn just about every move, that's the only reason why it has crappy stats. Quagsire is another example. It doesn't have not even ONE measly stat over 100 (in terms of base), and this is why it's always taken out so easily. Murkrow is another one. It has horrible Defenses, thus it's taken out in one shot by almost everything.

And if stats aren't everything, why is there a ban on the Cheese Trio?

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the superlegendaries are banned so often because of the combination of excellent stats, solid types, and dynamic movesets.

If Mewtwo was poison instead of psychic and couldn't learn recover, I doubt he would be considered as "cheap" as he is.

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Solid types? Ho-Oh is Flying/Fire, 4x weak to Tyranitar and on top of that it's stupid it's a Flying type because there are no Flying moves it can use to it's advantage.

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Except HP-Flying.

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Oh my god you're a dumbass.

Just fucking SWITCH OUT when you see a Starmie come in on your Rhydon's ass. If you don't know how to switch effectively, you don't know how to play. Besides, the switching thing is rather null when you realize that anything the opponent switches in to deal with Rhydon gets hit by a 358 attack Earthquake or Rock Slide; that's 30-60% of the average Pokemon's HP. Rock/Grounds hit Pokemon with only Normal, Electric, Rock, and/or Poison attacks, block T-Waves, form effective sweepers, and do tons of other stuff that are damn good for a team.

GET OUT OF YOUR FUCKING RUT.

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quote:
Originally posted by DarkLickitung:
GET OUT OF YOUR FUCKING RUT.

Good work DL. He finally shut the fuck up

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