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SDShamshel
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posted 11-24-2001 01:37 PM      Profile for SDShamshel   Email SDShamshel   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think one of the problems is not enough discussions or debates, and I don't mean the lame ones on TPM.

Like the Golem/Sandslash vs Rhydon debates of RBY. Those things were great to read.

Or even the long, drawn out, overly worn Mewtwo cheapness debates.

We need something like that again.

A shame I can't really think of anything.

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Turbo X
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posted 11-24-2001 02:09 PM      Profile for Turbo X     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Debate topic: "Who is more cheap: Ho-oh or Lugia?"

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posted 11-24-2001 06:13 PM      Profile for Silver_Persian   Email Silver_Persian   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
DEBATE-If houhou, lugia and mew are banned, should be not ban snorlax as well?

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SageofShadows
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posted 11-24-2001 06:54 PM      Profile for SageofShadows   Author's Homepage   Email SageofShadows   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Silver_Persian:
DEBATE-If houhou, lugia and mew are banned, should be not ban snorlax as well?

I second that motion!

Anywayz, u're right... Shame I dont have any ideas *Goes back to the Venomoth pisser-offer drawing board*

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ThumbsOfSteel
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posted 11-24-2001 09:23 PM      Profile for ThumbsOfSteel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ban Curselax maybe, but not anything else. Things like belly drum and counter + selfdestruct shouldn't be banned. Besides, there are plenty of counters for curselax that easily fit into most teams, like skarmory, perish-trapping, sleep, and counter. Jolt-wak combo is much cheaper than curselax, IMO. I wasn't around long enough to read any of those debates but I think just about anything is better than nothing but "Rate my team" all the time. I'd like to nominate the "Celebi should not be banned as a super-legendary" debate as another one. "Evade is cheap" might be all right too.

EDIT: Just thought that curse vs. Sword's dance would be a good one too.

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Cesar
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posted 11-24-2001 09:46 PM      Profile for Cesar   Email Cesar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tries to start a debate

Maybe the biggest problem I've seen in G/S is the complaining. Theres the HP Clause, 00ber clause, BP clause, DT clause, snorlax clause, and hell I've seen one guy declare a tyranitar clause because it swept his team.

In RBY there where 2 main clauses, Mewtwo and DT. Thats it.

Now your lucky if some guy doesn't abandon you after a few Baton Passes.

I'll admit they take hellishly long and 99% of the time they sweep your team, but your duty is to find a way to deal with this. Snorlax can be countered, but majority would rather clause it rather then deal with in.

In a tourney there is no Snorlax clause, so you got to fix the problem or lose a tourney.

Lugia, unlike it fire friend, does not have a 4x weakness and could be a bitch to get rid of. But if a dewgong could get it out in less then 4 shots, what complains do you have?

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posted 11-24-2001 09:53 PM      Profile for Tghost   Author's Homepage   Email Tghost   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How about; Restbell Stalling, or Stat-Altering Sweeping? Which do you use and which works better? Or, to put it simply, support-based or sweeper-based?

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Finding ways to deal with Snorlax uses forces a specific moveset on a team, or a Fighting Type. I do not like the way that encourages the usage of the same few Pokemon (which at least is a step above RBY, which is the same few Pokemon with the same few movesets).

The reason Snorlax is often looked down upon is the same reason for DT battles, as well as the reason for Nintendo's official 3 on 3 match ups: time. Even if you have Roar, Snorlax can come back to fight another day. NORMAL G/SBot Battles last at least an hour, unfortunately, and it's faster than PBS. Many times, in tournaments, as well as in real life, people are pressed for time. A kid cannot planning on battling at 8 pm may find himself ending the battle at nearly 12 am, which is possibly late for that child.

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posted 11-25-2001 02:36 AM      Profile for DragoniteJ   Author's Homepage   Email DragoniteJ   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Snorlax SHOULD be banned IMO, but for me it just means a chance for darling little Smeargle to Spore and Spike.

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posted 11-25-2001 09:19 AM      Profile for JolteonG3   Author's Homepage   Email JolteonG3   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
SDShamshel: Finding ways to deal with Snorlax uses forces a specific moveset on a team, or a Fighting Type. I do not like the way that encourages the usage of the same few Pokemon.

I do agree with the first part of the statement. Snorlax often requires a speciallist to get rid of it, which definitly is an incovieniance. There are, however, enough ways to take take out Snorlax so that we aren't faced with RBY syndrome. The problem is, too many people flock to Skarmory without investigating alternatives. The naiveness of the majority of GSC battlers does not condone the banning of a Pokemon.

As an alternative, I've developed a rather unorthedox alternative. I've never actually tried it out, but it seems as though it would work. (In other words, please don't flame me to crisp.)

Hypno
Barrier
Counter
Seismic Toss
Rest
@Mint Berry

The key is to get 1 Barrier up and be fighting a fully cursed Snorlax. (This is where the strategy might have some holes in it. Do people usually have Snorlax curse up completeley?) Under these conditions, Double Edge will do
Max: 319
Average: 295
Min: 217
to Hypno.
Countering this will KO Snorlax.

Thank you for reading this; I hope it's not plauged with idiocy. If the strategy I've presented has no chance of working, please tell me.


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Jman
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posted 11-25-2001 02:59 PM      Profile for Jman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From GSC, the game has evolved into a basically balanced system. When we take out Hidden Power, OHKOs, Baton Pass, Double Teaming, and Perish Songing, the game becomes like it has been in RBY, when we see the same pokemon over and over again.

The game was ment to have those attacks. We're just a bunch of geeky kids who are able to edit the pokemon's DV via GSbot in a snap. Meanwhile, the average player will have no idea what Hidden Power does, let alone how you can figure out the type it is. The average player doesn't care if you use Baton Pass, the average player thinks its a stupid attack, until you clobber their team when you power up your 999 stat Snorlax. The average player uses the pokemon he likes because thats the pokemon he likes. He cares about winning, but would much rather win with the pokemon he loves.

While I don't think Venomoth will ever be a staple on many teams, his ability to Baton Pass can fill a vital roll on a squad, especially when other Baton Pass available pokemon can be used to fill other parts of a team.

I think another problem in the online game is the people in it. I play Age Of Empires 2, and the members there are able to finish tournaments with hundreds of people way before deadlines. People here are the most whining people probably here on the internet. We struggle to finish a 32 man tournament, which is pathetic. We whine and bitch about everything.

Its a sorry state that we're in. I don't know if we'll ever have a fairly decent community. I doubt it.

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Lark84
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Jman has some god points, and said some of the things I'm going to say.

Maybe we know too much for our own good. No, not maybe, we do know too much for our own good.

When we realise that Curselax requires a specialised team, or that HP can screw up your plan to take out Electrode with Rhydon, etc. we realise that there is no such thing as a team to counter everything.

And that's our problem. We want to be sure to win every match, but we can't do that -unless we apply clauses and limitations.

That's why we wine -we're bad losers.


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