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DarkPersian
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posted 09-21-2001 11:47 AM      Profile for DarkPersian   Author's Homepage   Email DarkPersian   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A quick opinion survey for y'all. I'm trying to decide on which water type Pokemon to use to complete my Crystal team. I've narrowed it down to these three:

Blastoise
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Haze
- Earthquake

Vapoureon
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Haze
- Ground Power

Lapras
- Surf
- Blizzard
- Confuse Ray
- Thunderbolt

Don't worry about matching up these water types with the rest of my team, I'll do that. I just wanted to know what everyone's opinion was on these three water Pokemon in Crystal. Thanks.


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posted 09-21-2001 02:23 PM      Profile for raticata     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey time for some rating/advising:

Blastoise
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Haze
- Earthquake

This is a fairly good set, and naturally a good poke. However, it will need leftovers or will die soon. I would by all means use this one, however here is an alternative set which I prefer:

+mint
Mirror coat
Rest
Rain Dance/Quake/Icebeam
Surf

This takes full advantage of high defense, allowing less risks with coating. People use grass/electric, which are s.e, and this will shock them. Rest for when the old energy is getting low. The second half is for attacking. Surf gets stab, and so at e140 base damage will do some good kicking. Quake or icebeam are good for type coverage and simply being se vs loads, while rain dance is for the daring. Blasty can take a thundere from zappy, and a mirror coat will send teh electric bird plummeting down from the skies. If they don't use thunder, you get another 50% bonus on surf.


Vapoureon
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Haze
- Ground Power

Oh no don't fall into the trap of hidden power solves everything. It is common mistake, but ground hp running of such a low attack will do zilch. Remember, surf is at over 140, so even if ground is s.e it is still the same, and surf runs off the better special attack. This is a good poke, and to make the most of it and crystal, try this set:

+leftovers
surf
baton pass
sub
icebeam/focus energy/bite

Basically, you can baton pass a great sub, as this one has humungous HP, surf gets good stab, though I am not sure about the last move. Anyway, I think there are vapo posts around.

This poke can haze well aswell.


Lapras
- Surf
- Blizzard
- Confuse Ray
- Thunderbolt

Again, a good poke. However, this si by no means IMO best set. It places too much on attacking, and this poke has quite a few weaknesses so could go down if the other team has mira/safeguard support. Plus, if you come up against a mirro coater/poke with high special defense its screwed.Try this:

confuse ray
safeguard
body slam
surf

A nice mixing pot, The standard surf for stab and decent overall power, body slam for paralysis and as a physical attack to counter to mirror coaters, plus you can link it well with c-ray to get parafusion. Safeguard, you should never say no to pseudo-passing. Ttry to get as much light screen/reflect/safeguard support as possible, it certainly helps.

Anyway, you gotta decide for yourself pal, these are all good.

Sorry for adding more probs, but I have always liked octillery:

+scope lens/charcoal/leftovers
surf
flamethrower
return
focus energy/haze

lovely attacking stats, and the fact that it can learn flamethrower makes it invaluable.

and golduck:

+black belt
surf
light screen
cross chop
screech

not sure if this set is legal or any good, but screech acts as a switch forcer, or they get to be messed up when you hit with a rather nice cross chop.

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If you want to stay true to your original movesets, go with Blastoise or Lapras.

Blastoise and Lapras can both be good, but, I would go with a Blastoise with Mirror Coat way over Earthquake.

One reason for this is, almost all of the stuff that would be weak to earthquake is already weak to surf and/or ice beam. Earthquake might just save you from a Poison type, which you could just surf away and get STAB, so, go with Blastoise with Mirror Coat over Earthquake.


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posted 09-21-2001 03:48 PM      Profile for JohtoMaster   Author's Homepage   Email JohtoMaster   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I would go with a Blastoise with Mirror Coat way over Earthquake.

The only problem is, Blastoise cannot be bred both Mirror Coat and Haze. It is one or the other. And he cannot have Mirror Coat and Reflect either .

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posted 09-21-2001 04:25 PM      Profile for Dark_Herakurosu   Author's Homepage   Email Dark_Herakurosu   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
He can, however, have Mirror Coat and Curse (almost a Reflect).

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Then you might as well use a cursing Suicune
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quote:
Originally posted by raticata:
Sorry for adding more probs, but I have always liked octillery:

+scope lens/charcoal/leftovers
surf
flamethrower
return
focus energy/haze

lovely attacking stats, and the fact that it can learn flamethrower makes it invaluable.



Of course, the fact that Fire beats Steel, Bug and Grass becomes irrelevant when Ice Beam beats Grass, as well as Dragon, which Water cannot beat, and Water can tie up Steel, and Heracross would probably beat up an Octillery with Mega Horn before it fell from Flamethrowers, anyways. Flamethrower is pointless.

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Finally, somebody who agrees that ice beam is a beter choice than flamethrower on Octillery. I would go with octillery or Vaporeon. Not sure which

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posted 09-22-2001 10:50 AM      Profile for DarkPersian   Author's Homepage   Email DarkPersian   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I actually came up with a way to get Blastoise to have both Haze and Mirror Coat but it has been put down. I was going to use Smeargle's Sketch attacks to learn both Haze and Mirror Coat and then I was going to see if a male Smeargle would breed with my female Squirtle. I got Smeargle to learn Haze but the problem I ran into was this: Mirror Coat always goes second. Thus Sketch can never follow Mirror Coat and learn it. Oh well, it was a good idea at the time...
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Smeargle can learn Mirror Coat:

Smeargle did something (or was switched in)
Enemy used Mirror Coat
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Smeargle used Sketch (learned Mirror Coat)
Enemy did something

However, Smeargle (5,5) can't breed with Squirtle (1,2), so you still can't get both Haze and Mirror Coat on the latter.

AFAIK, Selfdestruct and Explosion are the only moves that can't be learned by Smeargle.

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Try my Vawhoreon PP waster.

-Vaporeon-
Snore/Sleep Talk
Attract
Charm
Rest
@Brightpowder

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AFAIK, Selfdestruct and Explosion are the only moves that can't be learned by Smeargle.[/QB][/QUOTE]


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What about using Focus Band on Smeargle? The chances are slim, but there is a chance.

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quote:
Originally posted by Duolivous:
AFAIK, Selfdestruct and Explosion are the only moves that can't be learned by Smeargle.


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What about using Focus Band on Smeargle? The chances are slim, but there is a chance.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Nah. Metronome is impossible too. And the Focus Band thing wouldn't work, because the opponent has to send out a new Pokémon, finishing the turn.

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