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The Vengful Gligar Man
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posted 08-29-2001 08:25 PM      Profile for The Vengful Gligar Man   Email The Vengful Gligar Man   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
According to this board, i am a newb, seeing as a i came from p*jo (I use that as an insult these days) but on Pojo, I, along with a few others, started a small Underused/original pokemon revolution that lasted for nearly a month...then Damn the Typphlosion was made a mod and it all went down hill...anyway, I still use mostly underused pokemon, and here's a fine example, Qwilfish...

Now, in my eye, there are 2 distinct ways to use this dude, Attacker, and my personal favorite, "ninja style" Now the straight forward attacker can be used like so...

Qwilfish@Mystic WAter (Sad special attack)
Sludge Bomb (killer Attack)
Hydro Pump (poor special)
Return
*filler*

and then there is ninja style
Qwilfish@King's Rock
Whirlpool
Toxic
Double Team
Headbutt
-Ninja Style concentrates on trapping, toxicing, then making sure as hell u dont get hit, worked well a couple months back, but im not sure in today's enviroment.

So wahtd do y'all think


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Qwilfish@Mystic WAter (Sad special attack)
Sludge Bomb (killer Attack)
Hydro Pump (poor special)
Return
*filler*

Meh. One question- why do you need return on it? Poison (sludgebomb) is weak against rock, ground, steel and poison. Hydropump covers those types almost perfectly. The only time you might need return is when fighting another poison type, and that won't happen very often.

and then there is ninja style
Qwilfish@King's Rock
Whirlpool
Toxic
Double Team
Headbutt

With all of quilfish's weaknesses, I don't see this working at all. 2 turns to start the toxic/whirlpool combo (assuming you don't miss), then doubleteam, then finally headbutt. It won't survive the setup. Even if your opponent doesn't have any type advantage, they'd still be able to take you down pretty quickly. King's rock doesn't work with headbutt.

Quilfish, IMO, is only good for two things: laying spikes, and exploding. The most useful moveset would probably be:

spikes
explosion
filler
filler

The filler moves could be sludgebomb, surf, or maybe even curse.


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quote:
Originally posted by KAK-tool:

Quilfish, IMO, is only good for two things: laying spikes, and exploding. The most useful moveset would probably be:

spikes
explosion
filler
filler

The filler moves could be sludgebomb, surf, or maybe even curse.



Qwilfish may look like it may pop at any given moment, but that doesn't mean it can learn Explosion.

Or Self-Destruct, for that matter.


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AAAHHH!! A poke that learns Spikes!!! RUN!! Really, I used Quilfish a while back. Since Crystal replaced the spiky water-type with Cloyster, its really unnecessary. But if you must use the pufferfish, use:

Quilfish@
Spikes
Sludge Bomb
Toxic
Return/HP Ground

On second thought, 288 is killer attack?? WTF?! Quilfish iss just...krappy. Use Cloyster.

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Yeah. I don't know why I assumed it could learn explosion. I thought since the other spike layers (cloyster & foretress) could do it, quilfish could too.

Well, that's one good move down the drain What can you use this guy for?

I think this pokemon is underused for good reason. Cloyster is better in every way, except for being a little weaker special defensively.


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ET suggested a set once...

-Spikes
-Hydro Pump
-Sludge Bomb
-Rest
@ Mint Berry

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quote:
Originally posted by DarkLickitung:
-Spikes
-Hydro Pump
-Sludge Bomb
-Rest
@ Mint Berry

Looks like the best here.. Other option would be to stick Haze over Rest. It won't do too well as a hazer, but it doesn't do too well as anything else either, and Haze is fairly decent as far as filler goes.

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The Vengful Gligar Man
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posted 08-30-2001 09:17 AM      Profile for The Vengful Gligar Man   Email The Vengful Gligar Man   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
thanx everyone, and like i said, I wasnt sure how to use a Qwilfish in the current enviroment. So thanx everyone.
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quote:
Originally posted by KAK-tool:
Yeah. I don't know why I assumed it could learn explosion. I thought since the other spike layers (cloyster & foretress) could do it, quilfish could too.

Heh, I think I'll nickname my Cloyster "Nailbomb".

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quote:
Looks like the best here.. Other option would be to stick Haze over Rest. It won't do too well as a hazer, but it doesn't do too well as anything else either, and Haze is fairly decent as far as filler goes.
Haze would be a good idea if you intend on useing qwilfish as a starter, to counter Double resting kingdra's and the baton passing eeveelutions.

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AAAHHH!! A poke that learns Spikes!!! RUN!! Really, I used Quilfish a while back. Since Crystal replaced the spiky water-type with Cloyster, its really unnecessary.

Both Qwilfish and Cloyster are only able to get Spikes in Crystal.

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One of life's great wonders....qwil can't blow up, as fantastic (like fantasy) as crobat not getting sludge bomb.....

Anyway hydropump does get a 180 base, with will work off that crappy sp attack, and at least do some good damage to a ground with low sp def, tel que marowak. I think it could well ohko a golem/rhydon aswell.

Anyway, I'm not a big fan of rest here - this poke isn't made to last, so go for the (sludge bomb, hydropump, spikes, and toxic) set and hope for the best.

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quote:
Originally posted by raticata:
Anyway, I'm not a big fan of rest here - this poke isn't made to last, so go for the (sludge bomb, hydropump, spikes, and toxic) set and hope for the best.

Good, but I have a small problem. Skarmory screws over that set. Immune to SB, Spikes, and Toxic, and resistant to Hyrdopump.
MWAhahahaha *cough, hack, weeze* hahaha.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dark_Herakurosu:

Good, but I have a small problem. Skarmory screws over that set. Immune to SB, Spikes, and Toxic, and resistant to Hyrdopump.
MWAhahahaha *cough, hack, weeze* hahaha.


Steel doesn't resist Water-type attacks. But, it still seems like it would be an uphill battle for Qwilfish.


Perhaps the move tutor's Ice Beam would help for chance of freezing... or Icy Wind, to lower the opponent's Speed so a switch would be padded...


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Don't you think that messing around with a poke JUST so it can beat ONE is too much?

You cannot tailor a poke to be simply great against everything, and if you are so worried about skarmory, have a moltres with sunny day, fire blast and charcoal.

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