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LanderZRPG
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posted 08-27-2001 05:04 PM      Profile for LanderZRPG   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I've already done my fair share of underused with Quagsire research a time back, but I'll put in some extra effort for another pokemon I am growing fond of using.

The subject: Ursaring

Many people figure "Oh, big strong bear. It dies faster than it moves."

Well, let's begin with stats:
HP: 383
Attack: 358
Defense: 248
Speed: 208
Special Att: 248
Special Def: 248.

Well, pretty good HP, way-awesome attack, 2nd highest in game, and staying stats are slightly below average. Low speed, but that's ok.

Well, for Attack stat, I will show HOW useful this bear is via comparisons:
Ursaring using Return (BP 102) vs 268 Defense poke (Let's say Entei): 148-174 dmg
Dragonite using Hyper Beam vs Entei: 148-174 dmg
Machamp using Cross Chop vs Entei: 145-171 dmg.

Needless to say, Return on Ursaring, being of EQUAL power to a Dragonite's Hyper Beam, is VERY effective. Add on that this bear can get Focus Energy, it becomes deadly. It can also Curse, and use Earthquake, as well as a not-so-popular Rest+Snore combo.

So, for Defensive power:
Machamp, using Cross Chop: 314-369 dmg
Same, with Black Belt: 344-405 dmg

Well, not many normal-types can say that they can survive a regular Machamp Cross Chop 100% of the time, save CH (So, I suppose 75% of the time). Add on that this pokemon can get Rest, and, better yet, Counter, it can stand up to this abuse. Countering a Machamp in this scenario leaves Machamp dead, save CH. It leaves you hurt, but that's what Paralysis attacks on other team members is for.


Speed:
Alright, not much positive here. Counter would go last, regardless.... Small dignity saved.

Non-Physical attacks:
Note how I didn't simply call it "Special attack"? Well, that's because this bear gets Seismic Toss. A good attack, because it can hit Rock types and whatnot for good damage. It can also get Fire Punch (Not any better Fire attack, though) which can at least damage Steel types thoroughly, and is a pleasant surprise to see your opponent's reaction when his switched-in, Baton-Passing Scizor gets an Agility in, and is forced to BP right away. "Wowie! I got an Agility in! Now my pokemon will be faster than....well...Ursaring..." Unless it's Snorlax, it ain't helping much. It also gets Crunch, which is fun to use, although impractical vs Psychics, and Earthquake does more damage to Ghosts, but Special Down is fun.

Special Defense:
Well, the bear gets beat here, almost any way you look at it. It gets Rest, and can hopefully deal out lots of damage, but cannot, under normal circumstances, win vs Special Attacks.
Although, my Starter Ursaring is a Special Case. It beats Zapdos!
Zapdos uses either Thunder Wave(Miracleberried away) or Thunderbolt.
Ursaring replies with Return.
Both pokes take around 45% damage.
Zapdos, if it uses T-Bolt once, will use it again, hoping to weaken/kill. Ursaring, if it still has a Miracleberry, will use Rest. If not, it uses Return, as it'll be in good health from T-Wave doing no damage.
Zapdos can try Thunderbolt again, but falls to a Return!
Not many people use Reflect Zapdos as a starter, but if they try, I'll just bring in Light Screen Blissey or something.... Lots of off-topic stuff there.

So, pros and cons to this bear:

Overall good stats, and it has attacks to back up it's weak stats where needed, save Special Defense.

It can get all its breeding attacks at once, due to being able to rape...er... breed with Smeargle.

It also looks very cool.


Cons:
It is slow.
It can't take too much beating.
Like all other pure-Normal types, it falls to a CH Cross Chop.


Give the bear Hyper Beam, even... That'll hurt. Hyper Beam, Return, Rest, and Earthquake/Counter. That could work.
I've found HP Ghost does not work, as well.

Well, there you have it. Reasons to use the big bear. Winnie the Pooh is in da' house!

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posted 08-27-2001 06:28 PM      Profile for ThumbsOfSteel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ursaring happens to be one of my favorites, and I plan on using him sooner or later. I would use...

Return
Earthquake
rest
counter
@mint berry

He should be able to do nice damage to anyone, although I'd definately pass it an agility though, in which case snore will go over counter.

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Ursaring's also the one Pokemon where it may be worth it to use Hyper Beam.

A Pink Bow Hyper Beam from Ursaring is more than guaranteed to OHKO an Alakazam, bar Barrier, Reflect, Sub, Focus Band, or anything like that.

Even without a Pink Bow, Ursaring still has a chance to OHKO it.

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I've always thought that Curse, Counter, Slash/Return and Earthquake would work. o_O Maybe? I dunno, never used him

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Although, my Starter Ursaring is a Special Case. It beats Zapdos!
Zapdos uses either Thunder Wave(Miracleberried away) or Thunderbolt.
Ursaring replies with Return.
Both pokes take around 45% damage.
Zapdos, if it uses T-Bolt once, will use it again, hoping to weaken/kill. Ursaring, if it still has a Miracleberry, will use Rest. If not, it uses Return, as it'll be in good health from T-Wave doing no damage.
Zapdos can try Thunderbolt again, but falls to a Return!

But if the Zapdos starts with Thunderbolt (which it probably will), then you'll lose.

Also, Focus Energy is almost totally worthless. It's CH boost is a paltry 6.25% (12.5% if you have Scope Lens).

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LanderZRPG
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Focus Energy is just a possibility; Not saying you should use it; Although Slash, Focus Energy, with Scope Lens has 50% CH rate

Also, here is how it works with Zapdos using all T-Bolt.

Zap: Thunderbolt (55% left on Ursa)
Urs: Return (55-60% left on Zappy)

Zap: T-Bolt (Like 10% on Ursa)
urs: Rest (Miracleberry. 100%)

Zap: Thunderbolt (55% on Ursa)
Urs: Return (Around 10% left on Zappy)

Save Ch or Paralysis from Thunderbolt, the bear has got it. Even Leftovers don't have enough turns to give it a chance.

Curse with the bear wouldn't be a bad idea. It'll get Slower, no big deal, and can deal tonnes of damage.
I'm thinking of using a Focus Energy, Rest, Slash, Earthquake set with Scope Lens sometime... If it's a 50% CH, one could say it goes from 70 BP to 105 BP, on average... Massive damage.

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URSARING +mint

hyper beam
counter
curse
rest

Simple - as long as there are no curse-crappers, like roarers etc, you curse up, and blast away with hyper beam. It can counter well, smash a champ to pieces. Rest as it will take damage with recharging and countering.

Another good one is:

+leftovers/pink bow
return/hyper beam
quake/shadowball
rest
snore

Rather simple, but as only weakness is fighting can survive for a long time. Snore is quite powerful off this guy.

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I'm thinking of using a focus energy, rest, slash, earthquake set with scope lens sometime... If it's a 50% CH one could say it goes from 70 BP to 105 BP, on average. Massive damage.

Except that return deals just as much (3 pts off, not a problem) without a setup turn, and won't hit for less when you needed the critical hit. If you needed a OHKO though, slash would be better.

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Ursaring
> Slash
> Earthquake
> Sleep Talk
> Rest
@ Scope Lens

Ursaring
> Slash
> Earthquake
> Curse
> Rest
@ Scope Lens

Ursaring
> Slash
> Earthquake
> Focus Energy
> Rest
@ Scope Lens

ive used all of these before in my fun team, and they are surprisingly effective. i would use him in my regular team, but alias i have no spot for him. CH + STAB + 70BD is pain, no matter how you look at it. if your fairly lucky, this guy is a MAULER.

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Ursaring
@Mint Berry
Return
Earthquake
Counter
Rest

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LanderZRPG
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quote:
Originally posted by raticata:
Another good one is:

+leftovers/pink bow
return/hyper beam
quake/shadowball
rest
snore

I tried this one. It don't get Shadow Ball




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~Return
~Curse
~Rest
~Earthquake
*Leftovers/Mint Berry*

ph33r Cursaring.


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slash + focus energy + scope lens + curse..... is deadly..

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quote:
Originally posted by SDShamshel:
A Pink Bow Hyper Beam from Ursaring is more than guaranteed to OHKO an Alakazam, bar Barrier, Reflect, Sub, Focus Band, or anything like that.

A Tackle from a Rattata could OHKO and Alakazam.

-Ursaring-
Curse
Earthquake
Hyper Beam
Rest
@Mint Berry

This is a standard, I do believe, and a damn good one at that.

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Makes me wish Ursaring could Mimic or Metronome...

Explosion...


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