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Velox
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posted 08-05-2001 06:30 PM      Profile for Velox   Author's Homepage   Email Velox   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sure his Attack is shitty (hell, it would need a Curse to get to shitty). Sure, he folds like a card table at the first sign of Thunder. Sure, he looks like he's about to throw up. But does anyone have any movesets for him? I've been working on a Beast Wars-themed team, and I could use a Depth Charge. Or at least a DEPTHCHARJ.

Seems to me that once the standard Jolteon has been dispatched, Mantine could be a pain with Curse. What about Hydro Pump / Wing Attack / Rest / Curse?

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posted 08-05-2001 06:45 PM      Profile for PikachuThunder        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow... I was just thinking about a Curse-based Mantine moveset...


I don't have any advice to offer... except that you'd need to use at least two Curses to make Wing Attack worthwhile.


EDIT: It just occurred to me... if you managed to get some DTs Baton Passed to this thing, you could have quite the well-defended monster.

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posted 08-05-2001 08:04 PM      Profile for Uiru   Author's Homepage   Email Uiru   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mantine would need two Curses to OHKO a Heracross, and even then, it's a bare pass. However, with BP'd Double Teams and Confuse Ray adding to the poor sucker's problems, you'd probably have time to Curse the three or four times you'd need to just to make Wing Attack feasable.

However, I still think its Health is crap, and any old Electric attack carrier will take Mantine down. Especially the RD+Thunder ones.
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posted 08-05-2001 10:00 PM      Profile for Velox   Author's Homepage   Email Velox   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thunder? Peh. Uiru, look over some recent teams, then try to name some Pokémon on which Thunder is still popular. =P

People are too busy loading their Pokémon up with Fire Blast in anticipation of Skarmory...

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Just out of curiosity, why are so many people gaga over Skarmory? Is there something incredible about it I just haven't figured out yet? I haven't caught/raised one, so, if there's something I should know, please enlighten me.

-MK

P.S. RainDance + Thunder still exists!


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*Note, I would recommend NOT using a Mantine, but, if you must, instead of using Wing Attack, try to breed for a Hidden Power of Type Flying Base Power 70.*

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posted 08-05-2001 11:39 PM      Profile for buddy_champ   Email buddy_champ   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mantine@Left0vers
>> Surf
>> ConfuseRay
>> IceBeam/Haze
>> Rest

Why not try something like that???Attract is also an option...

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posted 08-05-2001 11:43 PM      Profile for SDShamshel   Email SDShamshel   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Skarmory, currently, is one of the best counters in the metagame.

Often times, when people created movesets when G/S first came out, they neglected the fact that Skarmory could screw over their moveset/team. Their counterargument was "No one would use Skarmory! It's slow, and weak to electric and fire, two common elements!"

Well guess what, people started using Skarmory.

The other advantage of Skarmory is that it does not have a single physical weakness. Couple that with high defense, and it can whirlwind away most physical attackers, especially threatening to those who require setup, i.e. Curselax.

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posted 08-06-2001 01:37 AM      Profile for Random Loser   Email Random Loser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mantine movesets.. neither of which work very well, I actually tried him out at one point.

Curser - Curse, Return, Wing Attack, Rest
*MK: Flying Power is usually scratched b/c it cuts your HP DV in half, but either way.

Hazer - C-Ray, Haze, Ice Beam, Surf

He does have a high specDef, so the curser looks like it would work, though I never got much out of it. Also, besides the T-Bolt auto-death, WAT/FLY's only other weakness is rock. Your welcome to give the thing a try...


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posted 08-06-2001 01:52 AM      Profile for StealthNinjaScyther   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey! A Beast Wars fan! It's nice to know that I'm not the only one who thinks that transformers are cool.

Onto Mantine. I once considered a Curse setup as well, but honestly, does sacrificing it's decent speed just to give decent power to a move that is already weak as it is really worth it. Plus once you start cursing up the opponent is probably going to switch in an electric type or something that has an electric move, and then of course you're forced to switch or die. The Hazer set seems to be Mantine's best option. As far as I'm concerned the best reason to use Mantine is because it looks cool.

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posted 08-06-2001 09:08 AM      Profile for Jolt135   Author's Homepage   Email Jolt135   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You're worried about Thunder?
Except for Mewtwo, no non-Electric OHKOs Mantine with that move, and the only Electrics that ever use Thunder on a good set are Lanturn and Raichu.

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posted 08-06-2001 10:08 AM      Profile for Uiru   Author's Homepage   Email Uiru   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Skarmory is a GODSEND in Crystal's Battle Tower, too. Soaks up Hyper Beams like nothing else.

Why do people load up on Fire attacks to deal with Skarmory when Thunder/bolt would do just as well? Electrics have an even greater advantage over Skarmory than Fires do. And of course, there's the whole RD+Thunder=dead DTer...

And as for the argument that it's slow, the thing learns Agility. ^_^
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quote:
Originally posted by Uiru:

Why do people load up on Fire attacks to deal with Skarmory when Thunder/bolt would do just as well?


I dunno... I think it was because Forretress and Scizor presented their metal hides quite often as well.

That, plus Fire Blast is more powerful than Thunderbolt and more accurate than Thunder.

Still, it seems to me like there's no real shame in going after it with Electric-attacks.


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Ok, let's say I wanna raise a Skarmory. (oh and thanks for tellin me about Flying HP cuttin down your HP, I didn't know that)

Anyway, what moves would you recommend for a Skarmory? I'd probably want Whirlwind for sure, what's the standard for it, if any?

Thanks
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Whirlwind, Drill Peck, (usually) Rest, and either Steel Wing, Curse, Sandstorm, Agility, Mud Slap... the last slot's pretty open, I use curse so it can deal solid damage.
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Thanks Random Loser
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