Honor, hard work, yadda yadda yadda... when you lose and the guy sharked and goes off to *rule the world, be champion ofthe world, fill in the blank*, maybe I should have...

I've played fine so far without sharking. I've lost some matches but I've won far more. But! What if it's that one loss to a a sharker that caused my loss? Let's say he didn't even use max stats but near max stats on all of his pokemon? What does that say?

I've been broken...

Anyways, I just want to know what's a good site that gives dependable codes for the following:

near-max stats with some max stats(genes and stat exp permanently)
choose the moves

Yes I realize many people shark. I have nothing personal against those that shark. I just feel that it does give sharkers an advantage,however big or small. I spend time training straight up, but why when others just shark. You are right, when it comes to competition, you do pull out all the stops... no mercy. So here I am at the mercy of sharkers asking for their help.

Also, I asked earlier, "what happens to traded sharked pokemon?" I know there was sets of codes to make it permanent and it won't damage other game paks as far as stats are concerned. Does this go for moves as well?

I used to think, "hey no prob, sharkers don't have that big of an advantage. Besides, it's easy to catch a sharker." Well it isn't. And even if I do, what do I do?

Ethics... hmmm. Codes of honor. You would never have thought that we would be discussing this regarding pokemon? I laugh! But it makes sense. To shark or not to shark, that is the question...

True, sharking makes it a whole lot easier and it's just a game, right? Damn the level playing field right? To each his own, right. It's about having the best pokemon:to hell with those that question your methods right?

Ethics... near-max, fully maxed, all pk maxed out... what does it matter? A deception to hide a deception so you don't get disqualified for maxed pokemon. Why? If someone tries to disqualify you for sharking, why not? Does he not have the right? So it's his own fault for not sharking himself, right?

Ethics... I bring this up because this is just a game, right? It's all about winning and forget taking the long way right? Take the shortest route and be damned these ethics.

Ethics... for those of you in High School, Jr High, and even college... damn fairness right? Cheat in school, grades don't matter anyway. It's not about hard work, it's who could cheat and get away with it the best. It's only cheating if you get caught right?

Ethics... this is not a judgement call because you know what, this is just a game, and winning isn't everything to me. So is this "cheating?" It's just a game right? So why don't our athletes use drugs to enhance their abilities? Yeah they have rules in competion and they can use "some" enhancements, biological or chemical. Those are just games too right?

So back to school... should we promote cheating: it's a helluva lot easier. So we should encourage sharkery, right? We should cheat "within" reason, right? So long as it doesn't look like cheating...right?

Your right... Pokemon is just a game, School is well, school, "real life." You could afford to cheat and get caught on pokemon, but not school, because you care about you future. It's not worth cheating.

So if someone does cheat in school, would you rat on them? Especially if their success meant your failure? Payback's a bi*** isn't it?

Let's say you have job. You work your ass off to get a promotion but some other guy takes credit for your hard work... and he gets the promotion. Life's a bi***. And that's real life kids. I should qualify that it depends on your "social status." The lower you are viewed, the worse it gets. I'm referring to those of the minority and underserved/privilege

Those of non-minority have different rules and need not worry. That's real life in America. If you don't believe me, go to your most poorest areas and look at those kids. Now go back to your neighborhood and compare what you saw.

Ethics... it's just pokemon, it's just a game. It has nothing to do with real life. Ain't that the sad truth... the majority of kids are what makes pokemon popular. Damn them! It's just a game anyway. No mercy: F*** ethics. Win at all costs, at any costs... it's just a game anyway; it's not real life and has nothing to do with "real life."

Aint that the sad truth....

Originally posted by jedi_DOJ:

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"Honor, hard work, yadda yadda yadda... when you lose and the guy sharked and goes off to *rule the world, be champion ofthe world, fill in the blank*, maybe I should have...

I've played fine so far without sharking. I've lost some matches but I've won far more. But! What if it's that one loss to a a sharker that caused my loss? Let's say he didn't even use max stats but near max stats on all of his pokemon? What does that say?

I've been broken...
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Ok look, everyone hates to loose right? But you yourself said you've won a lot of matches! It comes down to the question: Do you feel more fulfilled when you win with your hard earned, hard trained pokemon than you would if you modified them with the shark? If that's the case, then don't shark! Even the best pokemon player looses occasionally because a portion of the game is based on luck! Don't let yourself be haunted by those "What Ifs..."

I'll tell you the reasons I got a shark.

1) Mew. I have no idea if I'll ever be able to get an offical Mew, so I sharked myself one, and I don't feel one iota of guilt. Why should I?

2) Unlimited TM/Change Movesets My reasoning: Missing No. allows me to duplicate TMS, but I had used a lot of my good ones up before I had even heard of MissingNo (like thunderbolt on a Meowth LOL boy was I a newbie). Missing No is a glitch in the game and I see no reason why anyone shouldn't take advantage of it.

3)HMs....to get rid of the cut, fly, strength and even the occasional surf. Why not? When I first started pokemon I didn't even realize HMs couldn't be deleted until I wanted to replace one of them with a move. Why can't HMs be deleted?.

You seem to like to use real world comparisons alot, Jedi. (school, job promotions etc.) Well, lets take a leap of faith and pretend pokemon really is the "real world" Doesn't it seem stupid to you that in a "real world" of pokemon that you wouldn't have all the resources available to train your pokemon? Do you think in the real world of pokemon, out of ALL the trainers in the world, there is ONE and ONLY one Thunderbolt TM? Yeah right.

Others are welcome to disagree, but I think the Game Shark is more of an equalizer than anything. Sure, you can get as many TMs you want with the missingno trick, or you can buy another cartridge and play through the game again getting the TMS, but considering most pokemon players are just KIDS what if some of their parents don't see the logic in buying duplicate copies of the SAME game? What if some kids don't have the time to constantly play the game over and over again getting all the necessary TMs?? It's ridculous! To be honest, I would have lost interest in playing pokemon AGES ago had I not gotten the game shark. I have a full time job, and I don't have hours and hours on end to spend catching different pokemon, looking for the right genes, starting the game over to get TMs I misused, etc. Frankly I'd get VERY bored doing that.

I get attached to my pokemon. I'm very sentimental that way To me, if I didn't have that attachement, the game would mean NOTHING to me. I didn't want to give up my pokemon and replace them with a better ones! I'd feel I was just as rotten as Team Rocket LOL ok I'm sure there are some people rolling their eyes, but people like Mr. K will know what I mean. I really LIKE my pokemon, and wouldn't replace them just because they don't have the right genes. I came up with a decison: either use my disadvantaged pokemon that I raised and loved, or use the shark to improve their stats. I chose the shark.

I completely respect trainers like Mr K. who don't (I don't THINK he uses the shark, but maybe in some ways, correct me if I wrong)and I would ALWAYS let the other people know before hand that I used the shark to get some of them to near-max stats. If they didn't want to fight with me because of that, I'd also respect that decision.

The fact is, if I wasn't sentimentally attached to my pokemon, if I had more time on my hands, if I had the patience, yes I could make a pretty good darn team from scratch. But I don't. I doubt I'll ever get the chance to go to a tourney, so my decision hardly effects anyone, but this is how I feel about game sharks.

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Anyways, I just want to know what's a good site that gives dependable codes for the following:

near-max stats with some max stats(genes and stat exp permanently)
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Check out Azure Weird Science Section. They tell exactly how to get max stats and stat exp I believe. I hope others can provide you with sites. I had to reinstall AOL today so I lost all my good bookmarks.

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"Yes I realize many people shark. I have nothing personal against those that shark. I just feel that it does give sharkers an advantage,however big or small. I spend time training straight up, but why when others just shark.
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Yep you're right it probably does give sharker a slight advantage..but that's all it is slight. If you take pride in your team, and you yourself said you win most battles, then go ahead and keep battling with them! So what if you loose some? As I said before, EVERYONE sharkers and non-sharkers alike, loose battles. Portion of it is luck, and a portion of it is skills (knowing what moves to have and when to use them, etc.).

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"Also, I asked earlier, "what happens to traded sharked pokemon?" I know there was sets of codes to make it permanent and it won't damage other game paks as far as stats are concerned. Does this go for moves as well?"
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Yep, after you make the changes with the shark, save your game, and they'll be there! Nothing happens to trades sharked pokemon as far as I can tell.

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"I used to think, "hey no prob, sharkers don't have that big of an advantage. Besides, it's easy to catch a sharker." Well it isn't. And even if I do, what do I do?"
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Refuse to fight with them. If they lie about sharking, but have only done it to teach LEGAL moves to their pokemon and just maxed/near maxed stats, what diff does it really make? They'll have a slight advantage perhaps, but a maxed out Ryhorn is STILL doomed to a "not so perfect" Lapras with blizzard.

I think your problem is you wonder what's the point to going through all the trouble training pokemon from scratch if others can just take a few minutes to instantly make a team? Jedi, it's your personal pride, personal choice. If YOU enjoy playing the game that way, and if you have the time to do it that way, then do it! After all if they lie about using a shark how are you to know that you didn't loose to an equally dedicated person? You shouldn't let those, "What ifs" bother you. "What if I had used a gameshark..." There's no way you'll ever know! Go with your conscience when you make this decision

:::::Jedi goes on many rambling paragraphs about Ethics then we come to this little gem...:::

So back to school... should we promote cheating: it's a helluva lot easier. So we should encourage sharkery, right? We should cheat "within" reason, right? So long as it doesn't look like cheating...right?

Eh, you touched a nerve here. Jedi, school is something very important, something that may influence the very course of your life. How much you learn will determine what type of job you get and thus what type of life you lead. Cheating at school will in the long run eventually catch up with you if you truly are not learning.

Pokemon is a game. If you have the time to create a homegrown team fine, but if an tool exists for others like myself who enjoy pokemon, but feel pressed for time and simply don't have the patience to play the same game over and over again then it's foolish to expect others not to take advantage of it. In all honesty, for all the MONTHS (in fact over a year...) I have spent training my pokemon before I even heard of the words "game sharks" I feel I have every right to. I did a HECK of a lot of training before I got one, and if people choose not to do ANY training at all and just buy a gameshark, they're missing out experiencing what makes the game fun: beating an opponent with pokemon YOU worked hard to train and have bonded with. It's their loss.

Anyone can create a great team. How that person goes about it is their choice. Strategy and luck in the end are the main forces in choosing the winner.

The sharked list of moves can be found in plenty of FAQ files on gamefaqs.com, and there should be one on Azure eventually (we aren't in a rush ).

I've posted a lot on this stuff recently, but I'll reiterate a bit here:

Max stats is pushing it, as the odds of having six max stat monsters are teeny weeny, and so you probably sharked.

Keep in mind that it is possible to say that the game was meant to be played with max stat monsters, as evidenced by the fact that Nintendo makes them possible. They could have given the game points to distribute so that each monster's genes totalled 50 or something. Instead they chose to choose a random number, 0-65535. Oh well, that's math.

The comparisons to real life are totally unwarranted. When I get an A in a class it's because I worked my ass off to get it, not because I did or did not spend an indefinite amount of time running around in a few squares of grass fighting monsters, capturing them, and releasing them until I found a good one. It wasn't the result of luck, it was the result of performance and work.

Also, please note that pokémon is a game.

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It's just a game.

1. money, money, money, and rocket coins
   
2. catching all the pokémon not in the cartridge (since I don't have link cable)
   
3. duplicating Eevee so that I have an equal ground on which Eeveelution is truly the best
   
4. master balls
   
5. buying lots and lots of TMs: Hydro Pump, Fire Blast, Psychic, Blizzard, and Thunderbolt come into mind
   
6. stat boosters so I don't have to train that hard
   
7. flying or surfing pikachu (for the minigame) cuz I don't have Stadium
   
8. since I just play 1P, I might as well max my pokémon's DV (I only did this on one pokémon and that was Gyarados)
   
9. getting Safari Zone pokémon easier (just pitch master balls!)
   
10. never running out of PP so I don't have to struggle (I rarely use this)
    
11. 99 Full Restores (better buying than item mod cuz it might mess up the game)
    
12. Spore and Dream Eater. Use with caution. Also removing Flash from Pikachu for Surf
    
13. Battle unique pokémon over and over again just in case I mess up
    

The side effect is, short of codes that straight modify experience or stat exp, your pokémon will be worse off than if you play it legit. Example: I beat the E4 with a sharked team, of which only one pokémon was above L35 (Surfing Pikachu L41). The other five was a surfing Pidgeotto (L30), Eevee L25, Flareon L29, Jolteon L31, and Vaporeon L30. Under normal circumstances I wouldn't have even tried.

The second side effect of sharking is that you make stupid newbie-like decisions such as the team set aboveor having my Dugtrio run out of Dig and Earthquake PP against Gary (E4) or having Jolteon being out of Hyper Beam and Thunderbolt PP. Frankly, only a newbie or a sharker (or a newbie sharker) can make those boneheaded decisions.

So should you shark? You should only shark when you are stuck or when you are lazy, or both. Ask yourself and answer yourself.

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Originally posted by Huor:
Which TM is Hydro Pump? 51?

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LOL, i was going to say the same thing!

kelv, your an idiot, anyone can beat the game with pokemon under lv. 35 if they have sharked moves! just gimme 6 electrodes with spore etc. wouldn't take much effort at all. thats why people dont put illeagal moves on pokemon, in the actual game its pointless and not too fun, and by the way you shouldn't feel proud of yourself cause it isnt a very great accomplishment. back to the subject-if your playing multiplayer and use sharked moves it turn into a game of luck if you have any knowledge of the game (one again electrode spore is mentioned)so that is not a good reason to use a gameshark. and by the way, you listed like ten reasons that you use a gameshark and you're acting like you're all ethical about it when actually there aren't many more reasons to use a gameshark and not many more reasons to do it unethically. oh, and the reason's you use a gameshark are STUPID, well most of them are.