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Meowth346
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posted 04-22-2000 09:58 AM      Profile for Meowth346   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Everyone knows that Pikachu and Eevee evolve through the usage of Stones, right? Well, people have reported that these (normally Stone-Induced evolution) Pokémon have evolved without the usage of a Stone.

There is a training process that people refer to Piggy-Backing (I think) where you begin battle with PKMN A, then switch over to PKMN B so that B can defeat the Wild Pokémon, and A can still rake in the EXP. (Since this technique is most notable used with a Magikarp, I refer to it as "Karping" myself.)

The reports say that when "Piggy Backing" a Pokémon that would normally evolve only via Stone, would in turn evolve at a level like just about any other Pokémon would.

For example, I could take a Pikachu, put it in slot one, then every battle, swap Pikachu for my stronger Pokémon, Blastoise, to fight. Eventually, Pikachu would evolve after raising a certain level.

Now, I've never seen this myself, and I'm wondering if anyone ehre's had this happen to them. Not to your best friend, not to the ice cream man that passes by daily, not to your neighbor's cat, but to you specifically.

I'm trying to figure out this "non-stone evolution", and I caught an Exeggcute (to finally put an Exeggutor on my team), and I've raised it fom Safari Zone-caught to level 62, Pigged through the Elite 4 and Cerulean Cave while on vacation for a week, but not evolution yet.

So, I'm just wondering if anyone has had this happen to them, and if they could tell me about what level the Pokémon was caught on, where they were Piggy Back-trained, and at what level they evolved.

--Meowth346, who's glad to be back home with his Dodrio Gameboy!

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Yeah, this happens with a number of Pokemon.

It's especially good for when you run out of Moon Stones.

Anyway, I forget all the relevant Pokemon, but I remember something about Arcanine...it must be documented somewhere, if not, you can find it on remarq.com in old alt.games.nintendo.pokemon messages...

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posted 04-22-2000 12:13 PM      Profile for Dragonair     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yep, it's a glitch.

It is important to know however, that not just any pokemon will work. You see, if the second pokemon has a hex value that matches the hex value of an evolution stone, and if the first pokemon is compatible with that stone, it will evolve.

To simplify:
You need a specific pokemon for each type of stone evolution. Here's the list:
Thunderstone - Hex 21 - Growlithe
Water Stone - Hex 22 - Onix
Leaf Stone - Hex 2F - Psyduck
Moon Stone - Hex 0A - Exeggutor
Fire Stone - Hex 20 - Missingno.

As you can see, you won't be getting Flareon anytime soon, unless you plan to carry a Missingno. around, or just take the easier way and buy a Fire Stone. I'm also pretty sure this only works on R/B. This glitch was supposedly fixed in Yellow.

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Woah, weird. I never knew. Are you sure no other Pokémon have the code necessary for Fire Stone evolution? Are there any side effects from this glitch evolution? Hmm, curiouser and curioser...

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quote:
Originally posted by Dark Jaguar:
Woah, weird. I never knew. Are you sure no other Pokémon have the code necessary for Fire Stone evolution? Are there any side effects from this glitch evolution? Hmm, curiouser and curioser...

I remember trying the Thunderstone version of the glitch once with my Eevee...and nothing bad happened, though I didn't let it evolve...

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Are you sure they removed this code on Yellow?? I haven't tried it out yet so I'll maybe test it for yellow... if it does work maybe it can evolve pikachu so I don't need to see that stupid ball of fluff following me around!!
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Meowth346
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posted 04-22-2000 02:44 PM      Profile for Meowth346   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Correct me if I've missunderstood, but would I use, oh say, a Moon Stone-able Jigglypuff, and start with that, then switch to Exeggutor in order to Piggy Back-evolve the Jigglypuff?

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posted 04-22-2000 03:50 PM      Profile for Dragonair     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Exactly, but Jigglypuff will have to gain a level in order to evolve. So, there's really nothing you can do if it's L100 (besides actually getting a Moon Stone.)

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This is the most interesting glitch that I have ever heard about for any game.

That is really amazing.

BTW Meowth346 you have a great site at Pokémon Forever, I love it and visit everyday.

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Zelda 64 still has better glitches, from the 2-mile long hookshot to never getting the Kokiri sword...

But since this game is coded in something very close to assembler, it certainly is a bug festival...

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Meowth346
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posted 04-23-2000 08:29 AM      Profile for Meowth346   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for all the help! I did some mass stoneless evolving, and understand every aspect of the glitch now!

--Meowth346

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Could you explain those two Zelda glitches for me? They sound cool.

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posted 04-23-2000 04:33 PM      Profile for PokeMaster Tony   Email PokeMaster Tony   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This glitch is very interesting, I never even knew about it. I just need to clear something up:

If I want a Pikachu to evolve without a stone, I'll put Pikachu in the first slot and then when the battle starts I'll switch to Growlithe? Is that right?

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quote:
Originally posted by PokeMaster Tony:
This glitch is very interesting, I never even knew about it. I just need to clear something up:

If I want a Pikachu to evolve without a stone, I'll put Pikachu in the first slot and then when the battle starts I'll switch to Growlithe? Is that right?


Yes...just do that until Pikachu gains a level, then he'll evolve. In my opinion, though, it's better to just get the stone. The only value I see in this is the Moon Stone part, since you can only get five of them per game, and the other stones are unlimited.

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whichmonster du i Use toget the MIST sotne!?


Sorry,

Ok, the Z64 glitches:

(1) Really long hookshot you need an early version of the cartridge (all gold and some grey). You know when you fight Gannon at the end, and he knocks your sword away? Well, save and quit, then reset. If your game is old enough, You'll start back up as adult Link with no sword equipped. Remember all those beta shots that showed Link on Epona with different items out? Well, the way they got around that was to keep the sword or bow active on the horse, apparently. Get on Epona, and ride around. Note that you can use items, like the hookshot, fire arrows, etc. It is glitchy, however (it evidently wasn't deemed appropriate for the final version, so it was never bug fixed or anything). Now go to Lake Hylia, and shoot the longshot while on Epona's back onto the target on that little house. Something wierd should occur (maybe it just can't heft a horse?), and, if you are lucky, you will be able to move around the board with the stick.

(2) To play without the Kokiri sword, try this (requires balls): You know the areas you can eventually get through, but not right away (Mido, large bombable rocks)? Ok, go up to one of them and act as if you can walk through. Now you have to *slowly* lift up just the *LEFT* side of the cartridge. If you are doing it right, you will first hear static, then Link will begin to "flicker" (apparently, some PIN on the cartridge is responsible for drawing the main character!). When Link isn't drawn, he can walk through certain things. This will let you get to the first level before you have the sword (or shield, but you actually need that).

Now, I have programming experience. I can't IMAGINE how I would code something that would respond to lifting the LEFT side of the cartridge.

Oh, as soon as you are through the barrier, put the cart back. It is pretty easy to lock up the game this way, obviously.


Check zhq.com, they probably have more info somewhere....


Wow, I can kinda see a misty shape in the distance that might be the original topic... I'm so far off I can't be sure...

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quote:
cfalcon:
Now, I have programming experience. I can't IMAGINE how I would code something that would respond to lifting the LEFT side of the cartridge.

Have you seen the VGX code around? Or the "Switch to Japanese charaters" cheat, all involving the "crooked cart"?
Here's how to do it (copied off Odyssey of Hyrule):
Start a game in the temple of time, Then Gently and SLOWLY pull up on the left side of the game pak, like you did in CROOKED CARTRIDGE. If you do it slow enough, the computer will become lagged and link will jump all over the screen and the sound will become very corrupted. If you let this happen for a few seconds (you may have to try to move link (or what used to be link) around, the n64's processor will become lagged and the game will lock up. ( This is going to be a diffrent lockup then usual, as you will see in the screenshots) - there is going to be a small-yellow-bar that will appear in the top left of the screen.....

When you get the small yellow bar to appear there are some commands that you need to input on the controller to get the "Debug" code to appear on the screen (this will also show the release date for the game you have...... )
Follow these steps:
* L button + R button + Z button
* Control pad UP + "C" DOWN
* "C" UP + Control pad DOWN
* Control pad LEFT + "C" button left
* "C" RIGHT + Control pad RIGHT
* A button + B button + Start Button


The debug/error code will not be shown unless you push each button. Example: in the first step you must push the Z button while HOLDING the L and the R.

Hee hee!

There's a TON of stuff like this on Odyssey of Hyrule Yippee!

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Psyanyde: I know this is totally off topic , but wouldn't DairyQueen be a better name for your Jynx? "DairyQueen used Blizzard". Sorry.........

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Ok, back to the original topic, if this works with evolution stones, why not other items? Perhaps you could effectively have infinite Rare Candy (although not too useful due to stat experience gain while doing this....) or PPups. This may also be a way to try to use items otherwise restricted to being err acquired by Gameshark in-game. Well, that's all I can think of for now....

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If you think that DairyQueen is a good name for a Jynx, then name your own Jynx DairyQueen. That is, if she'll ever answer to anything but Lola.

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quote:
Originally posted by Alakazam!!!!:
...if this works with evolution stones, why not other items.

Interesting...but it probably wouldn't work. My guess is that whenever the evolution code is called, it checks a value to see if it's stone-based thing. Those special Pokemon just happen to have the right values.

The trigger is the evolution, and other items aren't directly related to evolution.

Anyway, there might be a way to fudge an item-usage...but I dunno how.

Just my thoughts on the subject...

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quote:
Originally posted by Dragonair:
Yep, it's a glitch.

It is important to know however, that not just any pokemon will work. You see, if the second pokemon has a hex value that matches the hex value of an evolution stone, and if the first pokemon is compatible with that stone, it will evolve.

To simplify:
You need a specific pokemon for each type of stone evolution. Here's the list:
Thunderstone - Hex 21 - Growlithe
Water Stone - Hex 22 - Onix
Leaf Stone - Hex 2F - Psyduck
Moon Stone - Hex 0A - Exeggutor
Fire Stone - Hex 20 - Missingno.

As you can see, you won't be getting Flareon anytime soon, unless you plan to carry a Missingno. around, or just take the easier way and buy a Fire Stone. I'm also pretty sure this only works on R/B. This glitch was supposedly fixed in Yellow.


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Hell no! I'd never catch a Missingno,since I
heard it does nasty things to your savegame!
However,I think it would be a great way to
get s good Exeggutor later on. Actually,I
think that my Jigglypuff once tried to turn
into a Wigglytuff,so you may be right.

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