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Originally posted by Slo Migs:
Oh...and is it just me or did those transitional scenes in Pikachu's vacation freak anyone else out

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I thought those were the best part of the movie.

Anyway, I thought there were a few really good scenes and the part right before the end was very cool, but the actual ending sucked and the whole thing was fairly disappointing overall.

Still, I know where I'll be July 21...

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Originally posted by Wizzymoto:
Wouldn't those idiots know they were missing a day of their life at the end. Why didn't M2 just take over all their minds to make them give him their pokes

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Mewtwo isnt Evil, its just bent on revenge.
At least in the Japanese subbed version i saw.

I still havent caved in and seen the US version yet.

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MewtwoSama
A viscous,Psychic Pokemon that was created by a scientist after years of horrific gene splicing and DNA engineering experiments. It's DNA is almost the same as MEW's. However, it's size and disposition are vastly different. It's cold, glowing eyes strike fear into it's enemies.

What's happening on July 21? Is that when the next movie comes out? Oh I'll be watching it for sure. The way I see it, the quality of the movies can only go up.

I wonder if Brock will be in the next one. I really hate Tracy.

And why did we not see Team Rocket's pokemon in TFM?! Didn't Mewtwo want a couple Weezing and Arbok clones?!

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Originally posted by MewtwoSama:
Mewtwo isnt Evil, its just bent on revenge.
At least in the Japanese subbed version i saw.

I still havent caved in and seen the US version yet.

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And lets hope none of us have to.

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Originally posted by Slo Migs:
I wonder if Brock will be in the next one. I really hate Tracy.

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I sure hope that that loser isn't, but he probably will.

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Originally posted by Slo Migs:
And why did we not see Team Rocket's pokemon in TFM?! Didn't Mewtwo want a couple Weezing and Arbok clones?!

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Mewtwo didn't want to clone losers

Simply put, I couldn't accept the nonsense coming from the characters mouths at the end of the movie. "We're all the same regardless of our origins" is certainly NOT a popular theme in Japan, and I didn't appreciate the "don't be Xist" in my pokémon movie. I'm sorry, it was stupid.

I *loved* the first few minutes with Mewtwo, however. I like the fact that the movie draws a distinction between the other pokémon (some have human intelligence, but none have human awareness) and Mewtwo (cursed with all of the questions the plague humanity without a society to smooth things over). I liked that all of his problems were based on him basically being a human inside a (extremely powerful) monster's body.

That was very cool.

Then it was downhill.

-cfalcon

At the end of the movie, they really didn't say all of that stupid stuff.

The begining of the original version was kind of annoying. Mewtwo just said 'Who am I? What am I?' eighty times. Ugh...

But the best part is it features Zapdos

1- The whole: "pokémon aren't meant for fighting" bit wasn't there? (What are they meant for, Misty? Oh that's, right, marketing...)

2- The ending was better, right?

3- I can't find this legit version ANYWHERE?

4- Mewtwo's speech at the beginning wasn't as good?

Did I get the gist correctly?

Hey, are there any Evil pokémon in Lugia's whatever that comes out in July?

-cfalcon

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Originally posted by cfalcon:
So let me get this straight:

1- The whole: "pokémon aren't meant for fighting" bit wasn't there? (What are they meant for, Misty? Oh that's, right, marketing...)

2- The ending was better, right?

3- I can't find this legit version ANYWHERE?

4- Mewtwo's speech at the beginning wasn't as good?

Did I get the gist correctly?

Hey, are there any Evil pokémon in Lugia's whatever that comes out in July?

-cfalcon

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1) I don't know about this, in the Japanese one they talked about being the same, and how none were better than the other clone. It was stupid.

2) The end was the same (I guess, Mewtwo and the clones all flew away somewhere), but Team Rocket (hey, remember when they were funny? oh wait, they never were!) didn't say all of that stupid stuff about sand castles, they just said "Feels Good!", which the meaning of this is buried deep in the middle of the movie. (they saw the clones fighting and it reminded them of themselves, and they saw what they truely were, responding with "Feels Bad.")

3) eBay! Someone should be selling it.

4) Unless he said "Who am I? What am I?" a whole lot of times, then it wasn't. He said other stuff, but rarely (and this was about 15 minutes)

PS- Did it have Mewtwo slaughter all of the scientist at the lab where he was created and blow up the laboratory and TR HQ?

To White Cat: If you heard the original, you wouldn't think that.

Wait, Just born? Mew's ancient!

The added narrator in the English version of Pikachu's vacation was there because they didn't think parents would understand what was going on since pokemon can only communicate by saying their names over and over.

The added "fighting is bad" moral was there because they didn't want parents to think that pokemon was a bad influence on their kids.

The "legend of the storm" speech made by the harbor master was new to the American version. It was used to foreshadow and explain what happened at the ending. I guess even THEY thought that the healing tears were hard to believe.

Finally, they added MewTwo psychically blocking the pokemon's powers during the last fight because the Japanese animators had the pokemon fistfighting for no reason. They were expecting a great fight that showed off all the pokemon's powers but when they saw that it was just a big brawl, they felt that they had to explain it somehow.

So basically, I think the movie got screwed because the guys over in Japan were lazy and the guys Stateside were trying to cater to the parents. I'm almost positive that the next one will be better though. I doubt they'd tailor the movie around parents again, since most would have already seen the first movie.

Damn this is a long post. One last note. The Stateside director of the movie (and all of the TV shows for that matter) did the voices of Psyduck and Charmander

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Originally posted by Psybro:
2)As they watch the cloning process, Team Rocket call Scyther 'Alakazam'. But then, they are supposed to be dumb.

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I haven't watched the whole DVD commentary (I went right to the Wigglytuff part), but apparently the sound editor's (or someone like that) caught the error. They said Team Rocket wasn't all that smart, and that it was something fun for the kids to catch, but did admit that it mostly because they were just too lazy to re-tape.

The only reason is they suck. Really, really bad.

I've seen about 4 versions of "Double Team" but only Tracey's Scyther really Double Teamed.

But they certainly don't suck much more than other cartoons...and what it boils down to is, it's a kid's show. So...

1. They don't put as much care into things as they ought to, because they think they don't need to.

2. They aren't getting top quality writers/directors/actors.

3. They probably aren't being funded as well as they should be either.

We kinda have to keep everything in perspective...sucking is relative.

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And in that movie-making episode, the guy had a statue of an Arcanine and they called it a "Golden Growlithe" (although I didn't mind that, since it makes a nice parody/alliteration).

I've seen about 4 versions of "Double Team" but only Tracey's Scyther really Double Teamed.

When the game first came out my friend and I found the Double Team TM and are like "WOW!!! Now TWO of our Pok-uh-mon can fight at the same time..... " We use it.... "[Pokémon's Name]'s EVADE rose..... That sucks....." And we went over it with some crappy technique like Solarbeam.... And now.... I use DT on half my Pokémon.....

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Originally posted by Jackdaw:
But they could still try a little harder.

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Oh, certainly. And if they took more pride in their work, they would have. But it's clear that they don't, which is a real shame.

No matter how "childish" the project you're working on is, it should be your duty to do the best possible job. If you don't take it seriously (no matter how silly it is), you shouldn't be doing it, because there are people out there who will take it seriously and you're going to offend them.

However, those people only make up a small amount of the audience, so it's hardly worth it for the producers (money guys) to care, and without their support, you'll never get the cash to, for example, re-tape a bad line.

It all boils down to creating a product for the mass market, which always decreases quality.

As I always say, capitalism encourages mediocrity.

The only time you ever get a superlative product is when some mad genius doesn't listen to the experts (or is so mad that they give him space) and creates something great for himself.

Someone like Walt Disney was capable of that. He's dead, now we have Michael Eisner, and now Disney quality is in the toilet, because the aim is to market to the masses, not do the best that can possibly be done...

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Originally posted by White Cat:
So Jeanette's did what then? Substitute? I don't remember what Tracey's did, and the only other "DT" I can recall is Brock's Zubat. What other versions have we seen?

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I don't know who Jeanette is. I'm just talking about that I saw.

Usually you'd see a couple guys team up, or some other effect, some of which looked like other moves. The Scyther duplicated himself a few times so you couldn't tell which one was really him, and that's the only one that made sense, based on the GB animation.

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My Name Is Tom Ado--Ash

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The bit with Pikachu being chased down by the evil Pokeballs was really good. If the whole movie was half as good as that scene, I wouldn't have complained at all.

Usually you'd see a couple guys team up, or some other effect, some of which looked like other moves. The Scyther duplicated himself a few times so you couldn't tell which one was really him, and that's the only one that made sense, based on the GB animation.

...at least in the Lt. Surge episode he got his ass kicked first, then went back to rethink his strategy...

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Okay, that's what Jeanette's did too (from "The Fourth Round Rumble"). Of course, that same episode feature Bulbasaur beating Scyther and Beedrill, who its attacks are double-weak to!

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Of which I mean Ash.

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1.) Meowth called Sandslash, Sandshrew.
2.) Two actual animation flaws made by Japanese animators:
a.) When that kid in the red shirt first flew off on his Pidgeot, and after the harbor manager made her speach about them being Pokemon Masters, the scene changed and the boy in the red shirt at the top right corner of the screen is seen riding a Fearow!
b.) In the begining of Pikachu's Vacation, Psyduck can clearly be seen stepping over Pikachu's back, but when the camera moved to focus on Togepi, Psyduck was there with them.
3.) In the beginning of Mewtwo Strikes Back, when Ash fights that Pirate looking dude, his Machamp surfaces from the pokeball twice. They go from foot to head, and then cut back down to foot and go back to head.

That's all I can think of right now, but overall, I was pretty pleased with the movie. Not as much as I would have liked to have been, but the movie was alright. The second movie promises to be incredible, even though Tracy will be in it instead of Brock.

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Originally posted by Mr. K:
As I always say, capitalism encourages mediocrity.

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I thought communism encouraged mediocrity.

Besides, it's not capitalism itself; it's success brought about by the exploitation of capitalism that encourages mediocrity. Along with trademarks and monopolies.

What's the goal? To maximize profits.

It's not to maximize quality.

You don't make the most money by making a superlative product, you make the most money by making a product just a little better and/or just a little cheaper than the competition. Or one with better hype.

There's no point in making something of superlative quality, since you can make a lot more money by making something krappier, and the masses don't demand superlative quality.

If they sat on the movie until everything was just perfect, they'd lose money and only psycho fans and the makers of the movie would care.

1) Mew's Japanese voice was in fact carried over to the English version. So was Dragonites, for anyone wondering.

2) In revelation Lugia, when Ash jumps off of the cliff after Pikachu, and Tracey prevents Misty from following...that scene was cut from the movie. It didn't make it to the final version, with a couple of other scenes (I think one of Ash's mother from one of the Japanese trailers didn't make it either, and I'm sure that there was at least *one* more cut scene).

--Meowth346

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"I must go to the store to buy butter and cheese." -Zorak

No, I said that Bulbasaur's (Grass) attacks are doubly-weak to Beedrill and Scyther (i.e. they will do 1/4 damage). I didn't mean that both opponents' attack would do quad-damage to Bulbasaur (although Beedrill's will).

Meowth, do you mean that the jumping-off-cliff scene was in the Japanese version but cut from the English version, or that it was in the Japanese trailers but not in any release of the movie?

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Originally posted by White Cat:
Meowth, do you mean that the jumping-off-cliff scene was in the Japanese version but cut from the English version, or that it was in the Japanese trailers but not in any release of the movie?

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Everyone keeping in mind that someone mentioned that this happened in Revelation Lugia:

In Rev. Lugia's trailers, there was a sceen where Satoshi(Ash) jumps off of a cliff, shouting "Pikachuuuu!" Kasumi(Misty) cries out "Satoshi!"* moving forward, and Kenji(Tracey) grabs her shoulder, saying "Kasumi!"

This was on a movie trailer that I have on video.

Now, the movie came out in theatres, (I have a poorly bootlegged copy, and recently got an official copy), and that whole scene described above was kept out of the Japanese version of the movie. There were a bit more...I don't remember if Team Rocket being thrown into the air when Lugia burst out from the iced over ocean below then was kept in or not.

*Kasumi may not have said, "Satoshi!", I'd have to check on that.

--Meowth346

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Originally posted by Jackdaw:
Sorry, but mew's voice changed from Japan to US. In the states, it sounds like a 3 yr old child or something, while in Japan, its this soft kawaii sound that can barely be heard.

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Well, then it's a similar voice to Japanese, as I hear them back to back and they sound the same to me. Maybe I'll check the Japanese credit's for Mew's VA's name.

--Meowth346