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Bugcatcher Ed
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posted 09-26-2003 02:26 PM      Profile for Bugcatcher Ed     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was fighting an in-game trainer today. I had his pokemon confused, and was switching to another pokemon, when it used pursuit. There was no check for confusion, as far as I could tell. Has anyone else encountered this? Is it really a loophole, or is the game just omitting the message? Does pursuit do this with attraction or paralysis? Just curious, I don't see any obvious way to exploit this even if it does exist.
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posted 09-26-2003 05:13 PM      Profile for Uiru   Author's Homepage   Email Uiru   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You don't see exploiting an attack that picks off retreaters, deals damage AND gets around confusion? Even if it wasn't doing anything, you aren't hurting yourself, which has obvious potential against Confusion/Screech/Swagger/Flatter based teams. I think it's interesting, if it wasn't just an oversight. If you turn battle animations off and jam on the A button through battles, you might have just missed the message.
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Bugcatcher Ed
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posted 09-26-2003 06:22 PM      Profile for Bugcatcher Ed     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The problem would be predicting you're opponent's retreat. Might be viable in conjunction with some pseudo-hazing techniques, but I doubt my personal ability to bring it off. I don't turn battle animations off, as a rule.

It's always possible I missed the message, but with the cirling birdies and all, it's kinda hard to miss. Would be nice if somebody could replicate it, let me know if I'm delusional. Also, I suppose it's possible that it's checking for confusion without displaying the "LOUDRED is confused" message. In that case, you'd only know if the pokemon hurt itself.

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Bugcatcher Ed
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posted 09-26-2003 06:34 PM      Profile for Bugcatcher Ed     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
To clarify what I mean about exploiting the technique, I imagine something like this:

Turn 1:
Altaria used perish song

Exploud used swagger
Altaria is now confused

Turn 2:
Exploud switches out to avoid perish song effect
Altari hits it with pursuit

I just have an image of me getting the timing wrong. My pokemon ends up hurting itself trying to do perish song (substitute retreat encouraging move of your choice), or the opponent sticks it out longer than expected, etc.

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posted 09-26-2003 11:08 PM      Profile for Pokewaterking     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think I know what your talking about but appoligies if I am wrong. You confuse your oponent then you go to switch out and he still gets to hit you first regardless of the swapping and it's confusion?

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posted 09-28-2003 03:11 AM      Profile for Mr.E     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Turn 2:
Exploud switches out to avoid perish song effect


Good thinking.

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posted 09-29-2003 12:47 AM      Profile for MK     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I see this best as a "use persuit all the time even if your opponent isn't switching out just so you are guaranteed to hit and avoid confusion damage, etc..."

I am right in this yes? If so, great, persuit has a use...

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Bugcatcher Ed
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posted 09-30-2003 12:59 PM      Profile for Bugcatcher Ed     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Even if this loophole exists, you'll risk hurting yourself whenever you use pursuit and they don't switch. Toxic might combo well with this, as long as you can count on your opponent to confuse you. Puts the opponent in a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation.

[ 09-30-2003, 12:59 PM: Message edited by: Bugcatcher Ed ]

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posted 09-30-2003 07:33 PM      Profile for LanderZRPG   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well.... consider this: they'll take an 80 Base Dark attack if they switch... not really any huge drawback, unless stats are favoured against them, or SuperEff is in play.

I really don't see this as a mean of using Pursuit, anyway; too little for too much effort.

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