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Tenshi no Myu
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posted 07-26-2003 03:17 PM      Profile for Tenshi no Myu   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is how I understand it:

I could lv up a pokemon to 100 with Rare Candies, *then* go fight wild pokes until it maxes it's EVs, box it, and the stats will still rise as per normal, is that right?

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Yup. Alternately, you can buy a truckload of vitamins such as Zinc, and feed the pokemon those. Same effect, better control, mucho cash.
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Was it like this in G/S/C too?! O_o
If I'd known, it would've made stuff SO much easier! >_<

I mean, I knew of the old R/B/Y Box Trick, but didn't know R/S had it too! Frankly, I was only vaguely aware of how it worked, anyway. ^^;

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Wait the box trick does not work until you have reached level 100. The stat line up is totally different in Ruby and Saphire. That is the same with breeding. You can get a pokemon with it's stats with IVs 31 by breeding any Male or Female. You can't breed two powerful pokemon and expect for sure to get a high stat pokemon. The truth is breeding is random but the egg babies stats are set in stone while wild pokemon tend to varry. So be careful if you try to use Knowledge from the old G/S ideas. You could store more EVs in G/S/C per level. That is why the box trick worked everytime you leveled up. Now you have to wait. Just use the Macho Brace! and Exp Share works too. That gives you the same EV points as your main pokemon that is doing the battling. That is the new added feature. You also don't level up all the pokemon in your party anymore. You have to make one of your pokemon hold EXp. Share and just that one only earns the experience.

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But if they're lv 100 the box trick *will* work in R/S still, right?

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quote:
Originally posted by Tenshi no Myu:
But if they're lv 100 the box trick *will* work in R/S still, right?

Don't listen to Tiduswhatever.

The box trick still works in R/S and it works at any level. The box trick is not some mystical thing or even a bug.

When a pokemon is put into a PC box, its info is cleared out of the active portion of memory. When it gets withdrawn, the information is re-introduced into active memory and the stats need to be calculated (or re-calculated, depending upon the situation and your view of it), since that final value that you see comes from other stored factors (level, base stat value, DV/IV/genes, and stat exp/EV). If a pokemon has gotten sufficient stat exp/EV since the last time a re-calculation was performed, the stat will have a different value. That's it.

The box trick will always be in the game as long pokemon stats use multiple values to derive them and memory usage has to be optimized (i.e. there's no new model of GB with 20 GB of on-board memory).

As to the question about what DH said being like that in GSC...It was like that even in RBY. Same system.

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What are you idiot or something?! Dude don't listen to this guy if you box early in the game you will see that I am right. If you want to ask people that actually know besides this clown Ask UIRU and PIKA. These guys were the ones that told me you cannot box your pokemon early in the game. Actually Uiru did. I think Pika knows just as well. As those guys if you really want to know don't just take my word for it. If you listen to this guy your going to be set off track. He is a Know-it-all that is a newbie who knows nothing about stats. He would like to think he does. I have been studying stats way before Pokemon R/Y/B came out never mind S/G/C. I know pokemon stats, and now I know allot about stats for Pokemon R/S. Thanks to Uiru's, Vargas's, and Zap Cannon's help! So if you go against what I say your going against those other two PROs!

Ask Uiru personall at his email uiru@cephiro.com

and check out his website for further proof. I have so much evidence behind what I say!

Heres his website address:
http://database.stumpnet.net/

and heres some more proof

http://db.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbadvance/file/pokemon_rs_trainer.txt

There now when you read these websites this is enough to try and hang this guy that is trying to give you faults information so read the entire websites then you will see this guy that says im wrong is a crackpot

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The hell?
Some newbie thinks he can come in, usurp Continue's knowledge (and common knowledge, at that), and disgrace Uiru's and "Pika"'s (PikaCharma?) names, in one fell swoop?

Aside from getting a 1 Rating, you're being an idiot, TidusAce. Continue explained it perfectly. The only reason it might not work below 100 is because you just levelled, so the stats were re-calculated when you levelled, and a re-re-calculation won't yield anything new. If you have, say, a level 98 guy[With sub-max Effort Values], it takes a while to level, so get some EVs(without levelling), and box it. Bring it back out... Stats change. You could try this at level... I think 8 works, too... Go beat some Zigzagoon or Poochyena (4 of them, or have the Pokerus + Macho Brace or whatever to double, so you get 4), then box it, and bring it back out. You'll see the +1 point gain. If you have just levelled, it won't make any difference, since levelling does the same thing as the Box trick. The reason people Box Trick at 100 is obvious; they cannot level anymore, so they turn to a method which works.

Now, listen to Continue, please... He's the expert when it comes to such things. Don't call him an idiot, Tidus, either.... you dumbass.

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Hey I might be a newbie to this forum but I am not a newbie to pokemon stats. What I have been reading up on from those websites and talked to UIRU for R/S seems quite accurate so far. First off I have tried your method ok. I boxed Torchic at level 8 just before it gained a level, no stats were added. I fought some level 2 Poochyenas to bring up the attack stats. The only trick I have not tried is boxing a pokemon with Macho Brace equipped.

I am not insulting anyones name I am giving Uiru and Pika credit. Uiru I knew from RPGamer.

Now listen in the new Ruby and Saphire pokemon cannot collect as much EVs like it could before ok?

Apparently you people like to start fights in here, Dark, Continue, and LanderZRPG. I had no intentions of getting into fights with you! I just know what I was told! So your the one that is insulting Uiru not me!

As proof that Uiru said this why don't you go check out the old posts under Pokemon Ruby and Saphire under Uiru's threads in RPGamer. They are old posts you should be able to find them.

IF you guys want to prove what you say is true, prove it. Show me proof! Where is the proof? All I am hearing is Heir say! So get out your evidence and show me. Try to counter the websites I have posted. Thats a challenge.

[ 07-28-2003, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: TIDUSBLITZABESX ]

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In RS the vitamins work exactly like fighting battles. So, assuming you had the money (and enough Rare Candies), you could raise a pokemon to max Effort Values and not have it fight once.

Also, Tiduswhatever, look at your Member #, right below your nick. It's in the 3000's, right? Yeah. Generally anyone with a number lower than yours knows much more about the game than you. An exception would be those like Tenshi no Myu; those that went on sabbatical.

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quote:
Originally posted by LanderZRPG:
The hell?
Some newbie thinks he can come in, usurp Continue's knowledge (and common knowledge, at that), and disgrace Uiru's and "Pika"'s (PikaCharma?) names, in one fell swoop?

Er, before things get too out-of-hand, let me make an appeal for civility. I probably started the unfortunate tone of things with how I phrased the first sentence of my reply. If that's the case, my apologies.

To address what TIDUSBLITZABESX (c&p so I can save time and not be insulting, either) said, there may be a misunderstanding with what he has heard/read and seen.

As LanderZRPG has mentioned, if you try to box trick soon after levelling you won't see a difference. Also, at lower levels you may not see a difference because of how the formulas works. At lower levels, there is a lesser gain to the final value of the stats because the formulas are multiplicative. Basically, at lower levels, if you don't do something to add alot to the particular stat exp/EV, there's not going to be enough change so that when things round off (since we're talking about integer math here)you'll actually see a change. If you're getting the stat exp/EV by battling pokemon, you're more likely to level up first at the lower levels then to see a change in stats by box tricking.

Additionally, if you want another source on how stats work in the game, so you're you're not having to worry about sides in an arguement, take the gamefaqs link that was given by TIDUSBLITZABESX. You'll have to c&p it since gamefaqs doesn't allow direct linking to FAQs. I took a quick look at it and I think the section entitled 'Definitions & Stat Recalculation'.

Oh, yeah, Lander, the Pika that TIDUSBLITZABESX refers to isn't Pikacharma.

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Hey I told you I got my information from Uiru for Ruby and Saphire. Your wrong I know allot about pokemon, just because my # is high doesn't mean shit. I am new to this forum so how would my # be any less? Let's just say this forum does not prove how long I have been playing the games, it only proves that I have been here a short time. So that is your problem if you go by that.
Dude just stop already, stop fighting, I don't care to fight, I came in here to help people and to get information about Pokemon stuff. This is getting out of hand ok! With all of you! I know allot about R/Y/B, G/S/C, but I am getting there with R/S. I trust Uiru's judgement over anyones here besides the people that posted the shark codes for Max genes for R/B/Y in the Science Lab.
So I might of been here for a short time but your way off on my knowledge of pokemon. I think everyone is still learning about R/S since it came out a few months ago! Besides no one has restarted a game 6 times over in Ruby like I have. You start to remember things after the first time.
Continue your right we should make peace. Thankyou for rephrasing that. What you said makes more sense. You can't collect enough EVs at the early levels, but you can in later levels.

"Let's keep the peace"

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I thought using Vitamins only gave you half of the max EV for a stat? The cap is at 255 or something, yah?

If I wanted to put ALL the Evs into only 2 stats, I'd have to fight still, right?

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Get the Macho Brace (held item) when you fight and box at a high level you should gain the remainder of the EVs. Macho Brace raises growth in EVs.

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quote:
Originally posted by Tenshi no Myu:
I thought using Vitamins only gave you half of the max EV for a stat? The cap is at 255 or something, yah?

If I wanted to put ALL the Evs into only 2 stats, I'd have to fight still, right?

The cap is 255, but only go to 252. Since fractions round down, you could, in essence, save 6 points, and gain 1 more stat point in another stat, as well (i.e. whoop-dee-f*ck, but you never know when a single point of HP or something might... err... have a slim... almost possible... chance of maybe... err... doing something?).

Easiest ways to train:
-As stated, Macho Brace. This doubles the EV you gain, per 'mon. So, instead of getting 1 Attack on a Pochiena, you get 2. Not horrible at all.
-Pokerus. No real way to get it... I have a feeling that wild Shinies might relate to it (After I found my first Shiny Tentacool, my pokes got the 'rus. I wasn't the only one to experience this, either). This also doubles the EV gained.
-Combining the two: 4x the stat. You want your 252 EV in a stat? Find a mon that gives even 1 EV in it (Unless you have Silver for Attack... I think the ghosts give 2), and fight a bunch of them; it goes really fast... I did this with my Shedinja and Metagross, and it is very quick. Mind you, having a 31 DV, 212 EV level 50 Metagross for the battle tower kicks butt, too... (Even without using TM's)

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What do you mean 31 DV Metagross? Which DV is 31, or do I not understand?
And do you have to put your shiny in your party to activate the virus (according to current theory) or is the virus sitting there in my box? And is there a way to tell if he has the virus besides checking for the Effort Ribbon sooner?

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OK, I'll jump in here.

Continue is right, the box trick works at any level. Nobody cares about it before level 100, because the stats are recalculated every time you gain a level, so you'll always see it discussed for level 100 pokemon.

137, I guess Landerzrpg is saying he/she has a max IV Metagross that is also maxed out on EV. As to the virus, I expect it's just a chance event. You battle a pokemon in-game, and there's a tiny chance it has pokerus. The chance is much smaller than the chance that a pokemon will be shiny. I believe Nurse Joy will tell you if your pokemon currently has pokerus, and I think you get a dot on one of your screens to indicate the pokemon has had it, although that doesn't seem to have happened for Team Rocket Elite, a generally trustworthy source..

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Yeah I noticed the stats got recalculated after I tried the box trick. I think that was the discouraging part. I tried to do the boxing trick at level 100 too and no additional evs were added to blaziken. I probably was Maxed out with EVs since I did get the effort ribbon.

In my saphire game I caught the Pokerus several times. It was because I kept on fighting in the wild for 2 hours straight, so running into so many pokemon got me infected allot. IT was on route 103 where theres Poochyenas, Windgulls, and Zigs. I probably caught it from a stupid Zig since they appear a thousand times more often than any of the other two pokemon errrr annoying zigs...

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Once you've maxed your EV and can get the Effort Ribbon, the box trick works, at most, once, so that was undoubtedly it.

You got pokerus several times?! Are you sure your pokemon didn't infect each other? If you actually caught it multiple times you have unholy luck! I haven't caught it even once, in any game [Frown]

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Yeah I lose the virus in a couple of days then when I get into these long battles on route 103 after battling so long, for two to three hours straight non stop which let me mind you gets boring, I pick it up.

Well I tried spreading it to my pokemon in pokemon ruby but it doesn't seem to spread when the pokemon are trades. I have no idea why.

If you want the pokerus you just stay in one spot without reseting the game for about two to 3 hours non stop battling. The good part is while your building up that pokemon you can have 5 different zigzagoons in your party collecting gold nuggets, rare candies, super potions, full heals, full restores, kings rock, Proteins, PP ups, Revives etc... You probably knew that though. When I know I have to kill time I collect [Smile]

I forgot to add that your pokemon can only get the Pokerus once unless theres a pokemon that hasn't been exposed yet. Unfortunate information. That is why after you get the Pokerus you get a black dot in the status section showing that you already had the virus and can't get it again. So I only keep two of the pokemon I am working on in my party and saving the others for another encounter with the virus.

I can tell you no one would want to sit in one spot for so long though, it gets boring. Though I got three Shinys out of it.

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