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articuno255
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posted 05-31-2003 09:04 PM      Profile for articuno255        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ok, so I have a team of 1 Linoone, 4 Zigzagoons and 1 Phanphy. They're (obivously) used to farm for rare candies.

I use the field where the ashes can be found, so I collect ashes as I farm for these rare candies.
I start at the left, and try to go over every square of grass, making them green. Back when Linoone was level 30 or so, I could expect several rare candies on the trip from left to right.

Now it seems I have to cover the area 1.5 times for 1 rare candy [Mad]

Just bad luck? Or does the fact that Linoone is level 52 now matter?

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I think level decreases the chance of getting hte pickup thing. Damnit. That explains why my level 44 Linoone refuses to get me stuff.

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posted 06-01-2003 02:17 AM      Profile for White Cat   Author's Homepage   Email White Cat      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Seems like" and "I think" isn't very good research. Try doing the following:

- 25 battles with a team of six high-level Pickup Pokemon
- 25 battles with a team of six low-level Pickup Pokemon
- 25 battles with a team of one high-level Pickup Pokemon (who does the fighting) and five low-level Pickup Pokemon

Take note of how many Rare Candies you get and which Pickup Pokemon get them.

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posted 06-01-2003 04:23 AM      Profile for pika   Author's Homepage   Email pika   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That seems to be seems to be wrong unless i've oberlooked something (source is the assembly code from sapp)

k. Here is how it works (for linoone. not sure for other pkmn, but it should be the same for everyone).

Pick up seems to work after any battle, and not by walking in the grass.

1 - The Game takes a random number. if it is dividable by 10 ($a), then Pokemon picks up an item. If not, nothing happens. (=10% chance for a pokemon to pick up an item after a battle). (No Level used unless I have missed something - source is the assembly code or sapp)

2 - games take a random number. It divide it by 100 ($64), and keep the reminder, R (=0-99).
now it compares it with "percentages" numbers from an item table wich results in the chances. In that itam table is a masterball too, but it will never be picked.

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posted 06-02-2003 09:01 PM      Profile for White Cat   Author's Homepage   Email White Cat      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Can you still Pickup items if you run away from the battle?
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articuno255
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posted 06-03-2003 06:53 AM      Profile for articuno255        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hypothesise that you can't...
Ran from 5 wild battles... no items on my pickup team.

Ok, now to start killing guys using
Level 53 Linoone
Level 5 Zigzag1
Level 4 Zigzag2
Level 4 Zigzag3
Level 4 Zigzag4
Level 27 Phanpy
At the place where you can pick up soot (enemies around level 15)

#1 Zigzag4 had Revive
#2 No item
#3 Zigzag1 and Zigzag2 had Super Potion
#4 No item
#4 Zigzag1 had Super Potion; Zigzag2 had Ultra Ball;
#5 No item
#6 No item
#7 Phanphy had Full Heal
#8 No item
#9 No item
#10 Zigzag1 had Protein; Zigzag4 had Super Potion
#11 No item
#12 No item
#13 Zigzag4 had Revive
#14 Zigzag1 had Super Potion
#15 Zigzag4 had Nugget
#16 Zigzag2 had Nugget
#17 Zigzag3 had Revive
#18 No item
#19 No item
#20 No item
#21 No item
#22 No item
#23 Phanpy had Super Potion
#24 Zigzag4 had Super Potion
#25 No item

No rare candies found [Frown]

Got other things to do now, someone else check with an all low-level or all high-level team of pickupers

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posted 06-03-2003 08:19 PM      Profile for Dark_Herakurosu   Author's Homepage   Email Dark_Herakurosu   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I believe it's all just bad luck. Personally, I've had a certain Zigzagoon that would pick up a King's Rock every other batle it seemed. I've found that it's more rre to find a Rare Candy than a King's Rock, lately, at least.

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articuno255
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posted 06-04-2003 04:40 AM      Profile for articuno255        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ok, conducted another test, low level pokemon in a low level enemy area.

Zigzag1 Level 11
Zigzag2 Level 4
Zigzag3 Level 4
Zigzag4 Level 4
Zigzag5 Level 3
Zigzag6 Level 2

Area below Oldale Town (level 3 enemies)

#1 No item
#2 Zigzag5 had Rare Candy
#3 Zigzag3 had Ultra Ball; Zigzag5 had Revive
#4 Zigzag3 had Ultra Ball
#5 Zigzag2 had Nugget
#6 Zigzag2 had Super Potion
#7 Zigzag1 had Revive
#8 No item
#9 No item
#10 No item
#11 No item
#12 Zigzag1 had Revive
#13 No item
#14 Zigzag3 had Nugget
#15 No item
#16 Zigzag6 had Nugget
#17 Zigzag1 had Rare Candy; Zigzag4 had Super Potion
#18 Zigzag1 had PP UP; Zigzag4 had Super Potion
#19 Zigzag3 had Super Potion
#20 Zigzag5 had Revive; Zigzag6 had Full Restore
#21 Zigzag4 had Ultra Ball
#22 Zigzag3 had Rare Candy
#23 Zigzag4 had Rare Candy (!)
#24 No item
#25 Zigzag2 had Rare Candy (!!), Zigzag3 had Rare Candy (!!!), Zigzag6 had Super Potion

6 rare candies! Compare that to 0 in the other one... or am I really lucky [Razz]

Someone else should try these tests. 25 battles.

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It's better to test in the same area, different areas could have different items, and the ROM hackers may have missed/not looked at it...
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articuno255
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posted 06-09-2003 08:18 AM      Profile for articuno255        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good point, but when I continued to use the area, I got the same old not enough rare candy problem [Roll Eyes]

Guess it's most likely my horrid luck (or maybe that Zigzagoon levels up [Cool] )

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I did the one-high-level, five low level thing, and anally recorded EVERYTHING.
Pokemon used:
Linoone level 45, female, Hardy, named Yuffie
Zigzagoon, level 5, male, bold, named Ziggy
Zigzagoon, level 4, female, gentle, named Kid
Zigzagoon, level 4, female, mild, named Zag
Zigzagoon, level 4, male, modest, named Jack
Zigzagoon, level 3, female, bold, named MOMO

I caught all the Zigzags on Route 101, just outside of Littleroot, and began the experiment on Route 103, battling with Yuffie, who I caught (MUCH earlier, at level 3) on Route 102. My results were:
Battle # Opponent Item&Pokemon
Battle 1: Lv. 3 M Poochyena PP Up, MOMO

Battle 2: Lv 3 M Zigzagoon Full Heal, MOMO

Battle 3: Lv. 2 M Poochyena Protein, Yuffie
Rare Candy, Ziggy

Battle 4: Lv. 3 M Poochyena None

Battle 5: Lv. 2 F Zigzagoon None

Battle 6: Lv. 2 F Zigzagoon Full Restore, Kid

Battle 7: Lv. 4 F Zigzagoon None

Battle 8: Lv. 3 M Zigzagoon None

Battle 9: Lv. 4 M Zigzagoon None

Battle 10: Lv. 4 M Zigzagoon Rare Candy, Ziggy
Full Heal, Jack

Battle 11: Lv. 3 M Poochyena None

Battle 12: Lv 3 F Zigzagoon Super Potion, Ziggy

Battle 13: Lv. 3 F Wingull, Super Potion, Yuffie

Battle 14: Lv. 2 F Poochyena Rare Candy, Zag

Battle 15: Lv. 2 M Zigzagoon None

Battle 16: Lv. 3 M Poochyena None

Battle 17: Lv. 2 M Poochyena None

Battle 18: Lv. 2 F Zigzagoon Super Potion, Zag

Battle 19: Lv. 3 M Poochyena None

Battle 20: Lv. 3 M Zigzagoon None

Battle 21: Lv. 4 M Zigzagoon Full Restore, Jack

Battle 22: Lv. 2 M Poochyena Super Potion, Jack

Battle 23: Lv. 3 M Zigzagoon Super Potion, Zag

Battle 24: Lv. 2 F Poochyena Full Restore, Ziggy
Super Potion, MOMO

Battle 25: Lv. 3 M Zigzagoon Full Heal, Kid

So there you have it o.o;;; It seems to be purely random, though Yuffie only picked up 2 items, that was about average anyway. Draw your own conclusions, I'm so sick of Zigzagoons I could barf.

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