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Jolt135
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posted 11-11-2002 04:46 PM
It’s official.
As I said, it’s pretty tough to pull this off with no one to Mystery Gift to.
It’s even harder with a broken Gameshark.
I end up powering the GB up and down over 100 times. Every time, the “Nintendo” logo is messed up beyond recognition.
I go downstairs, ready to retire it once and for all after 26,573 faithful variable alterations. On the way down...
There’s a crack in the top of the Shark. Before throwing it away, let me at least look at its internal structure. So I do that.
This gives me a last-ditch idea. Plugging the card in without the plastic case? You never know, it might work.
It doesn’t.
What it needs is support.
So I fasten it in to the back half, without the front half, and plug it in.
“Da-ding!” Nintendo shows up perfectly.
InterAct shows up perfectly.
GameShark Pro shows up perfectly.
It’s fixed. After correcting a glitch on Blue and Yellow that swapped the movesets of party members 1 and 6, it’s time to test the Great Mew Hypothesis.
Trial Parameters:
L100 Fish Mew receives Transform over Sleep Talk.
Opponent is set to have a Smeargle with Fissure, Horn Drill, Substitute, and Sketch.
Second slot is a Parasect with Spore and three blank moves.
Normally, I would try to test against Elite Four Will, but at the last minute I figure out that it’s Monday.
Well, actually my game thinks it’s Wednesday (and I just entered 01242 last week--what does that say about the game clock’s competency?), but no difference.
“RIVAL DONALD wants to battle!”
Mew, being about 4 times as fast as Smeargle, starts out by lowering its Speed, and all other stats--except that HP is about 5 times what it would normally be.
Smeargle tries to Transform. Ah, young mutt. Learn from Jman! You can’t Sketch Transform!
Second turn, the random element gives Smeargle first strike.
Donald’s Smeargle, that is.
Horn Drill coming up. Hmmm...what are the odds that a L45 Smeargle can successfully kill a L100 Smeargle?
Oh, that’s right. It’s ZERO.
Now the other way...According to Matt Robinson, my other-way Horn Drill should have accuracy 131, even better than Zap Cannon. The odds don’t disappoint. 1-0.
Now the real test, Parasect. Smeargle is faster than Parasect, so up goes a Substitute. Parasect knows nothing but Spore. 256 accuracy? I don’t think so.
MEW used Sketch...and obviously gets Spore. The question is whether it lasts after the battle.
Next turn, Horn Drill. Second hit with that in a row.
Out come each of the remaining four Pokemon. Mew uses Horn Drill and Fissure, killing each of them on the first try.
I don’t think that formula (+1 accuracy for each level advantage) is very accurate. Horn Drill, on the other hand, is.
But the battle’s over. I give all the money to Mom, in order to retain my perpetual P444,444 money count (and 01242 password), then check Mew’s skills.
SPORE 15/15
HORN DRILL 8/8
REST 16/16
TRANSFORM 15/16
IT WORKS! Do you know the ramifications of this? Mew is no longer limited to TMs! Its out-of-battle moveset can now legally contain any move except Sketch, Mirror Move, or Struggle! RBY users can now trade back any move (except Mirror Move or Struggle) that exists in that game! SMEARGLE IS OBSOLETE!
Move over, Lugia, Ho-oh, and Mewtwo. The move compatibility of Mew was just begging to be abused. And now it has been.
And all due to the theory of an obscure player known as Jason322.
Imagine the possibilities...
Not only do we have another Heal Beller that isn’t Fighting-weak, it can Aeroblast those Fighters into oblivion!
A Belly Drum BP’er that can finally get away with it!
An even more hated Perish Trapper!
Recovering Wobbuffet, anyone? Especially now that Mew’s go-to recovery move has twice the PP? How about a TRAPPING Recovering Wobbuffet?
Fish Mew? Oh wait, that’s been used already.
Aeroblast, Cross Chop, and Crabhammer...how’s that for a sweeper?
That classic Mean Look/Lock-On/Horn Drill Smeargle...maybe it could materialize with 90 more HP, 130 more Defense, and 110 extra SD?
Present in GS link? Move over, Raichu...there’s a new “worst legal user”.
Recover, Milk Drink, Softboiled, and a timed recovery, with Leftovers = fun. I’ll call it “The Hypochondriac Mew.”
Mimic/Metronome/Transform/Explosion: Proof that Mew can do even more than Smeargle even when stats are disregarded.
If and when you put up that UPS update, Uiru, make sure Mew is bumped up to 40 points.
You may now go back to sleep.
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posted 11-11-2002 05:08 PM
That must be the best thing that's ever happened for Mew since it was created!
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posted 11-11-2002 05:46 PM
First question - should I read anything into the fact that you named your rival "Donald"?
And second of all, oh, ****. *suddenly wishes he had a legit Mew*
Edit: Utility Mew: Heal Bell, Rapid Spin, Haze, Recover *Leftovers*.
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posted 11-11-2002 07:05 PM
Holy expletive deleted, Batman. This may be enought to get me interested in GSC again.
Of course, I doubt it'll be legal in tournaments, It will most likely be classified as a glitch, or some form of rule subversion.
EXPLODING DITTOS! Hot damn.
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posted 11-11-2002 11:13 PM
Question:
What happens if you somehow manage to Metronome Transform against a Smeargle with Sketch?
Could that unlock every move in existence for the Pokemon that can learn Metronome?
*shudders at the thought of Growth Snorlax*
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posted 11-12-2002 12:01 AM
Bleh. Ditto/Mew trick's been under wraps since the days that GS was released in Japan.
Do it with Ditto and get any move combo of bred moves you please on any Pokemon. Only moves that can be bred on though, there still isn't any glitch breeding to get illegal moves.
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Jolt135
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posted 11-12-2002 06:45 AM
Maybe Starmie's Egg list isn't unattainable after all!
As for its legitimacy, it's no more subversive than BP'ing Smeargle. The only grounds on which I can see it getting banned is the uber-clause, which everyone plays anyway.
As for Ditto, you don't really have much of a case against that one. So any team can now effectively have two Smeargles, one with 258 Speed and the other with 291 DF and SD.
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posted 11-12-2002 02:38 PM
Moves learned this way will, of course, be banned from FBMT tournaments.
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I am pure energy... and as ancient as the cosmos.
Forgotten in the river of time...
I've had an eternity to ponder the meaning of things...
And now I have an answer..."
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posted 11-12-2002 04:14 PM
May God have mercy on us all.
*watches the metagame crash and burn*
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"Young love, with horns!"
-Toonami review of Ico (PS2)
[Rockzilla] Remember now, excuses are like asses, everybody has one and they all stink.
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posted 11-12-2002 06:06 PM
I keep reading that Ru/Sa isn't backwards compatible with GSC. Is this true? (I've been compulsively playing Animal Crossing for two months, so try not to blame me for being out of touch.)
If Ru/Sa can't trade with GSC, this admittedly fascinating discovery seems to mean very little. If I recall, the US R/S comes out in six months. May as well just legalize every single moveset imaginable and see what happens before the new rules supercede the old. Since so many people out there are getting the Japanese import, I strongly suspect the new rules will have been completely scrutinized within the month. So only the GSC hardcore need to worry about this, no?
By the way, can anyone give me a link confirming that Ru/Sa and GSC will never be able to trade? Not even with a Gamecube Stadium? I still can't believe this. I'm not sure if I'll bother with R/S if I can't use my old pokes...
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Uiru
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posted 11-12-2002 06:14 PM
40? Try 60.
Oh, and there's no way anybody would allow a match with a Mew enchanced* this way. You don't say "can I use a Pokémon that has 100 base everywhere and access to every move in the game and three piddling weaknesses?" without getting smacked. You can get Sky Attack Rhydon or Kangaskhan and God knows what else via the Missingno glitch; how is this any different?
I once 'made' a breeder Ditto from my x/15/x/15 Sandslash using the Mimic/Transform trick in RBY, but I realized later that it was wrong. I think the only thing that came of it was a Miltank with garbage Attack, and I've sort of sworn off Miltank since then anyway.
But then, holding mere humans to my code of ethics is even more problematic than you'd imagine.
* = Too much Magic recently, kids. I meant to say "enhanced" but it tried to be "enchanted" first. "Break Game (Enchant Creature Legend) For one newskool mana, one oldskool mana and three colorless, give Mew the ability: *tap* Target player wins the game."
~Uiru
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AFRO NOOOOOOO!!!
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Uiru
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posted 11-12-2002 06:21 PM
...but that being said...
Exploding Ditto should be mandatory on every team. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
~Uiru
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AFRO NOOOOOOO!!!
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posted 11-12-2002 10:52 PM
Yes, but unlike the MissingNo glitch, this was actually programmed into the game on purpose. You see, MisingNo was left by accident. Like somebody else said, its no different than a BPing Smeargle. Except 100 times better. The only things that could limit this would be 00ber Clause and Species Clause. (Can you even imagine the horror of 6 Super Mews?!) And btw, *sig*
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posted 11-13-2002 12:02 AM
I just tested it myself, but I seem to have run across a few problems doing it. Copy+Pasted from the Netbattle fourm:
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Okay, as I type this, I'm testing it on Silver:
You see, I Mystery Gifted today, thinking I had set the right team up on the other end so it would show up in the Trainer House. But, I forgot to weed out the other pokes that would otherwise interfere with testing. And since I'm impatient, I am going to try to work around them.
After trying several of my level 100s to KO a few of the "weeds", I finally end up with one that works: Tybalt, my faithful HP Bug Marowak. Down go the opposing Ditto, Ho-oh, Marowak, and Charizard - until all that's left is a Smeargle and a Voltorb.
The Smeargle has a set of Safeguard, Confuse Ray, Flamethrower and Sketch. Obviously, this is one I used for breeding up a Vulpix with all the right moves at level 5 (and that I was too lazy to clear out as well ).
Out comes Fabio, my shiny Ditto. He Transforms, then he and the other Smeargle exchange Confuse Rays and Flamethrowers. Fabio emerges victorious.
Here's the real test: out comes the last Pokémon, a Voltorb. To waste time, Fabio Safeguards while the Voltorb... Sonicbooms.
"Fabio SKETCHED SONICBOOM!"
One more Flamethrower, and the Voltorb crumples. Fabio's final moveset...
TRANSFORM 9\10
Any idea what's wrong?
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posted 11-13-2002 03:59 AM
Nucking futty.
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the only way to get pass this will be to commit suicune
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posted 11-13-2002 08:19 AM
Could anyone explain to me, cuz I still don't get it...
I haven't touched my Pokémon games for over a year...
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posted 11-13-2002 02:57 PM
Good news: Mimic doesn't work on Metronome.
It doesn't work on Transform either.
If someone could get Meowth to confirm that the omission of Transform from Metronome's no-hits is purely an oversight, then this situation is actually more under control than any of us would have imagined.
If this whole conundrum is teaching me anything, it's what it feels like to work for NORAD in a DEFCON-1 situation. Always working around the clock to resolve the problem.
Expect the implementation of a permanent fix within 24 hours.
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posted 11-13-2002 03:45 PM
Well, I've Metronomed Transform a couple of times in Silver... whether you can Metro a Transform and Sketch a move off that (deleting Metronome) is still a question I'd like answered, though.
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posted 11-13-2002 07:53 PM
I´d like that answered as well... But theorically it should be possible. Í´m thinking in the shinny ditto catching, impliying thered gyarados with mimic... All i wonder is what happens if the gyarados transforms into smeargle and sketchs a move?
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posted 11-13-2002 08:03 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Donald:
Well, I've Metronomed Transform a couple of times in Silver... whether you can Metro a Transform and Sketch a move off that (deleting Metronome) is still a question I'd like answered, though.
If you are lucky enough to have transform to come out of metronome and do that against a smeargle while it has to be the right move, you need to die.
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posted 11-13-2002 10:41 PM
I don't get it, why didn't we figure this out a year ago!?
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posted 11-13-2002 10:52 PM
Ok, I finally see the dangers of this... this is very bad... But, I need to know, what Pokémon can use this trick, only Ditto and Mew, or is it any that can learn mimic, how does it work?
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posted 11-14-2002 02:56 AM
Ditto/Mew trick's been under wraps since the days that GS was released in Japan.
Was I the only one who was interested by this comment?
Makes me want to start playing a lot more, then go battle someone from Japan.
I wonder if there's anyway we could get some of the Japanese L337s to battle us on our GSBot...
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posted 11-14-2002 04:44 AM
Was I the only one who was interested by this comment?
Seems so. Everybody else is busy jumping up and down about old news.
I mean, hey, Ditto had a glitch with Transform way back in RBY days to get himself those crazy TM-- moves.
Besides, most people who've stumbled across this have either been Japanese, been smart enough to keep their mouthes shut about such a glitch, or have been so far removed from the 'normal' Pokemon community that it wasn't put as big shocking news at Azure.
Oh, and Don't Run with Scissors, your problem could be you were having Sketch on the same slot that Transform was on. They need to be different slots - for example, doing it via Ditto, you'd need the Smeargle to have Sketch in any slot but the first. Plus, it seems that you have to KO the Smeargle right after transforming into it, not throwing attacks back and forth. No idea why, though.
That last paragraph should be taken as "as far as I know since I haven't had the balls to test it myself".
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posted 11-15-2002 01:12 AM
Just tested breeding with Ditto.
Ditto with Heal Bell + Female Blissey = Baby Chansey with Heal Bell
Ditto with Haze and Mirror Coat + Female Blastoise = Baby Squirtle with Haze and Mirror Coat
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posted 11-15-2002 07:09 AM
Finally some results! Can you try to breed that ditto with heal bell and counter with a chansey that has counter? What´s the results?
Si se puede! - Panitalimon (me)
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posted 11-15-2002 07:30 AM
Julian:you can't pass r/b/y TMs
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posted 11-15-2002 09:42 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Uiru:
Exploding Ditto should be mandatory on every team.
EXPLODING WIGGLYTUFF
EXPLODING WIGGLYTUFF
EXPLODING WIGGLYTUFF
EXPLODING WIGGLYTUFF
For heaven's sake, has everyone forgotten their AGNP roots?
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posted 11-15-2002 10:29 AM
Exploding Wiggly wouldn't work unless you could append a Mimic -> Transform to the beginning of this sequence; the end result being the Sketched move overwriting Mimic, which you apparently can't do anyway.
And you can't Sketch Explosion anyway. No Exploding Ditto either, I suppose. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
The end result of all this shit is that it's probably a VERY GOOD THING that RS is completely incompatible with RBYGSC. If the code is really so advanced, perhaps there won't be as many gaping holes for people to exploit. Although, some of the gaping holes are interesting...
And now for some fun. What would YOU give a Mew?
Swords Dance, Amnesia, Baton Pass and Recover works for me.
~Uiru
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posted 11-15-2002 10:32 AM
I already listed mine.
And yeah, the only reason Mew can now get 248 and Ditto can get 246 is that you can trade Mew back for RBY TMs 36 and 47.
BTW, could someone hook me up with a GBC emulator and a ROM of Crystal? I want to try something, but the only way to do it with any expediency is with a state-save function. (arrrrrrrr.)
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posted 11-15-2002 09:25 PM
Could someone please explain in detail how to do this trick... Like
Trainer A sends out ________
Trainer B sends out ________
Trainer A's ______ uses ________...
that would really help, thanks... (hey, I like my stuff to be exact...)
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posted 11-15-2002 10:00 PM
Trainer A sends out (Mew/Ditto)
Trainer B sends out Smeargle w/Sketch
Trainer A uses Transform
Trainer B uses (whatever)
Trainer A uses (move) to eliminate Smeargle
Trainer B sends out (Pokemon) w/desired move to Sketch
Trainer A uses (whatever)
Trainer B uses (move)
Trainer A uses Sketch
(fight continues as normal)
After the match, the Sketched move will replace Transform.
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posted 11-16-2002 02:15 PM
Thank you Donald...
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posted 11-17-2002 08:47 AM
Not necessarily the new move overwrites Transform. I did it with a Ditto, and after the trick, Transform was in the first slot, and the other attack was in the second one.
So, I think it acts like learning a new attack. If there are free slots in the moveset, no need to overwrite Transform.
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posted 11-17-2002 08:48 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Uiru:
And you can't Sketch Explosion anyway.
Why not? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
(Because of the danger of fainting? Give the PKMN a focus band and pray.)
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posted 11-17-2002 10:43 AM
Because Focus Band can't save the user from blowing up, and Sketch only works if the Pokemon that used the target attack is still active.
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posted 11-17-2002 11:50 AM
-can't find it-
Hmmm,wasn't there something about sub (pokemon a) and explosion (pokemon b) ?
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posted 11-11-2003 12:12 AM
In remembrance of a year ago today...
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posted 11-11-2003 01:16 AM
Also, raise your hand all who have cared about this.
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posted 11-11-2003 10:16 AM
*raises hand*
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posted 11-11-2003 05:47 PM
It's a shame this trick doesn't work in RS.
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posted 11-12-2003 02:49 PM
No, it's not.
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posted 11-12-2003 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by White Cat:
No, it's not.
*agrees*
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