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JP Nogueira
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posted 11-12-2001 12:07 PM      Profile for JP Nogueira   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wondering about a Sunny Day team, I stacked in the damage formula when facing a water type pokémon.

Let´s say I have a Fire Poké with FireBlast and Thunder, and my opponent has a water type poké.

Letting accuracy & Sp Attck out, what would deal more damage with Sunny day in effect?

And what if Charcoal is attached? the 10% is calculated after or before Sunny Day?

Ah, and my Sunny Day team is at OMLH for team rate

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poccil
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posted 11-12-2001 12:43 PM      Profile for poccil   Author's Homepage   Email poccil   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by JP Nogueira:
And what if Charcoal is attached? the 10% is calculated after or before Sunny Day?

Item bonuses are factored in before the effect of Sunny Day.

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JP Nogueira
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posted 11-12-2001 01:06 PM      Profile for JP Nogueira   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks poccil!

So, this way Sunny Day is the last thing to be calculated? It means that Fire attacks would deal normal damage on water types with Sunny Day in effect?

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Ho-oh is the only fire type that can learn both Thunder and Fire Blast.

You -have- to factor in accuracy, because Thunder's accuracy is greatly reduced during Sunny Day.


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Uiru
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posted 11-12-2001 03:21 PM      Profile for Uiru   Author's Homepage   Email Uiru   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe he's gonna use a Smeargle with Fire Blast, Thunder, Sunny Day and Lock On. *runs*
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Well, maybe you should SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE.
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JP Nogueira
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posted 11-12-2001 06:19 PM      Profile for JP Nogueira   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, I won't use Thunder and Fireblast. It is a Sunny Day team, not a Rain Dance team.

This is the reason I said to forgot about accuracy and who learn them. The question is: with Sunny Day in effect, what would deal more damage? A boosted fire type attack or a super effective attack? This against a x2 resistance.

I think I already figured it out, with Poccil's help. Fire attacks would do normal damage, while super effective moves would do double damage. Is it right?

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Atma
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quote:
Originally posted by JP Nogueira:
Wondering about a Sunny Day team, I stacked in the damage formula when facing a water type pokémon.

Let´s say I have a Fire Poké with FireBlast and Thunder, and my opponent has a water type poké.

Letting accuracy & Sp Attck out, what would deal more damage with Sunny day in effect?

And what if Charcoal is attached? the 10% is calculated after or before Sunny Day?

Ah, and my Sunny Day team is at OMLH for team rate


It's irerelevant which you factor in first -- 120*1.5*1.1 = 120*1.1*1.5

Anyway, FB is 120*1.5*1.1*1.5*.5 = 148.5 (which rounds down to 148). Add in accuracy, and it's 125.8. Against water/rock, it's 62.9. Against water/ice, it's 251.6.

Thunder is 120*2 = 240. Add in accuracy, and it's 168. Against water/electric, it's 84. Against water/flying, it's 336. Against water/ground, it's 0.

So Fire Blast is better against Water/Ice (Lapras, Dewgong, Cloyster) and Water/Ground (Quagsire).

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EDIT: I seem to have forgotten that Thunder is only 50% accurate during Sunny Day. So the numbers for Thunder are 0/60/120/240. So Thudner is only better against Water/Flying (Gyarados and Mantine) and Water/Rock (Kabutops/Omastar/Corsola).

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JP Nogueira
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posted 11-13-2001 10:38 AM      Profile for JP Nogueira   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you very much, Atma

Against a normal resistance, it would do normal damage, is it?

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oporaca
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posted 11-14-2001 12:36 AM      Profile for oporaca     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Let's see...

They have the same base power, so those cancel out.

Fire Blast has STAB ( * 1.5 ), is powered up by Sunny Day ( * 1.5 ), and is not very effective ( / 2 ).

This becomes: 1.5 * 1.5 / 2
Which becomes: 2.25 / 2
Which becomes: 1.125
Which is the attack modifier.

Thunder is super effective, meaning 2.

Thunder is far more powerful.

Get rid of a resistance (Water -> Water/Ice) or add a weakness to Electric (Er, Water -> Water/Ground) and Fire Blast becomes more powerful (not counting the accuracy, of course.)

Oh, and counting accuracy, Thunder (on average) does more damage than Fire Blast to Water if the Pokemon isn't holding Charcoal.

~Oporaca- Sunny Day first vs. Charcoal first (in the BDF) can matter because of rounding, but it won't change it much.

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