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Guigs18
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posted 07-03-2001 10:35 PM      Profile for Guigs18   Email Guigs18   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What is with Grass, Bugs, and Poison types?

First we have Grass. One of the 3 starting types when u start your adventure. And it seems all fine and good. That is until you realize that this type has 5 weaknesses. Oh, but it doesn't end there. It is almost always paired with Poison. (See Below) And then you come to find out, that the strongest grass attack, must charge up before it can be used. Well, lets just use the second strongest.....Petal Dance, and confuse ourself. Or Giga Drain, but it's a mere 60. The only good thing is that this type actually learns most status effect attacks. But, they are usually too damn slow and get punished for having so many weaknesses, and being a royal pain in the ass.

Bugs. they are supposed to be the hidden power. The type to stop the unstoppable psychic. But oh no....this seriously underpowered type is just horrible. To start, more than half the bug type pokemon don't even learn a stinking bug attack (oh yeah, fury cutter BLOWS) And to add insult to injury, every bug attack absolutely sucks. But, wait, there is a hope. The "Luke Skywalker" of bugs. Heracross, it learns Megahorn, a power bug attack. But alas, HE"S A GOD DAMN FIGHTING TYPE TOO. And it's a god damn greek tragedy folks, he is the only one who can ever have this attack.

Poison. In my opnion, by far, the worst type. Well to start, there's only 2 worth while poison attacks. Toxic and Sludge Bomb. And since the whole world can learn toxic, it really doesn't matter. Then we come to the ol' type match ups, and it's strong against ONLY ONE TYPE. And wow what a surprise it's grass, a type that is almost always PAIRED WITH POISON. Please god....I must stop now before I throwup. Because I'd rather throwup then put a poison pokemon in my team.

Now, I know I am knew here, but somebody please help me, and tell me where the good points of these types......PLEASE!!!! There are a few exceptions, but for the most parts, they just suck. Someone tell me why?!?!?

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Grass: Status moves, Eggy, they make decent psuedo-passers (thank you Meganium), the only non-Fighting weak Heal Beller is part Grass (Celebi).

Bug: Baton Pass, Spikes, there is another Pokemon that can Megahorn (Smeargle), great humiliation factor.

Poison: Nice defensive stats, the evil Trap Crobat (Mean Look/Toxic/Confuse Ray/Fly), most Poisons can counter their immunity to Steel with Fire Blast or Earthquake.

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Just because a type has a lot of weaknesses doesn't mean it's necessarily bad and/or not worth using. Even so called weak types can prevail.

-MK (user of a grass Pokémon)


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posted 07-04-2001 05:46 AM      Profile for Mu   Author's Homepage   Email Mu   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Eh, it's obvious you've never played with a Heracross - After entering many tournaments with mine I can honestly say that if he wasn't a Fighting type he would be like the Mewtwo of the Bug world.
He has the Special Defense to take Psychics from pretty much everything and he can totally rape Psychics with his Megahorn.

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Your are all right. But it seems like of all the types, these 3 are getting the "tail end of the deal". And I really don't think Smeargle counts, because number 1 his stats are horrific, and number 2, who the hell wants to use a smeargle against a psychic pokemon?
Yes I have played with Heracross, and what I am saying is, he needs to be the "Mewtwo of the bug world" because Psychics still dominate bugs despite the weakness factor.

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posted 07-04-2001 10:06 PM      Profile for alienx   Author's Homepage   Email alienx   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ummm... poison is super effective vs. bugs, too...

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I think u need to put away ur r/b/y type chart and bust out your g/s chart, cuz last time i checked, Poison and Super Effective against Bug.

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I believe they changed that. On RBY Poison was effective against bug, but I think they changed that on G/S, or somethin like that.

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posted 07-05-2001 01:22 AM      Profile for Mu   Author's Homepage   Email Mu   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've never had a Psychic dominate my Heracross, recently in AGNP someone did the math - Mewtwo will do less than a 1/3 damage to Heracross with Psychic, whereas Heracross will do 80% damage to Mewtwo with Megahorn.

Now who's dominated?

Poison is no longer super effective against Bug either.

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Oops...

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quote:
Originally posted by Mu:
I've never had a Psychic dominate my Heracross, recently in AGNP someone did the math - Mewtwo will do less than a 1/3 damage to Heracross with Psychic, whereas Heracross will do 80% damage to Mewtwo with Megahorn.

Now who's dominated?


I do believe someone did their math wrong.. I just ran it and M2 does a minimum of 275 damage w/ psychic.. meaning 2 hit kill. Heracross does a maximum of 384 damage w/ megahorn.. meaning 2 hit kill. M2's faster. 'Nuff said.

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check and mate. however a hera can KO say a alakazam or espeon leaving heracross at *mumples* hit points. So after it kill's the psychic, hera is a siting duck unless cured and fast. alakazam and Espeon are basicaly the most common psychic's really.

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I don't like the fact that Megahorn isn't 99.609375% accurate.

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EXACTLY. I once heard the mention of hera being close to unstoppable, obviously not. Maybe with better speed, but then again "if ifs and butts were candy and nutts". So the bugs are still a terribly under powered type with only one bug pokemon able to learn a worthwhile bug attack

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Obviously, they didn't design Heracross's main counter to be Psychics themselves.

It's called "A Farfetch'd Has a Good Chance of Taking Out Heracross."

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All I know is that my Lv 72 Jolteon Ripped My poor Lv 70 MewTwo to shreds when I let the comp use MewTwo in a custom battle on PKS2

BTW Pin Needle didn't work nearly as well as T-Bolt & Thunder did.

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Of course, Jolteon should have higher speed, and Mewtwo doesn't have good spc. defense. Also, Jolteon has pretty good spc. atk. while he has bad attack, and bug attacks use your attack stats. Another reason why they let a pokemon learn one of the worth while bug attacks, because he'll never use it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kingdra The horsea:
however a hera can KO say a alakazam or espeon leaving heracross at *mumples* hit points

>:( .... no.

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