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Atma
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posted 06-14-2001 05:41 AM      Profile for Atma   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you've played around with Azure damage calulator (and who, if any of us, HASN'T?), eventually you'll wind up trying for maximum and minimum damage. Well, with low enough power and *0.25 effectiveness, it says it'll do 0 HP damage. But the game surely sets damage to a minimum of 1, right? I yanked out Pokemon Blue, pulled my level 55 Dragonite (146 Special) out of the box, and Flew to Route 24, where I battled until I found a level 13 Bellsprout (23-27 Special). The damage calulator predicts that Vine Whip (35 power, 99.6% accuracy) would do 0 damage. Draggy played the pokeflute, and Bellsprout used VineWhip. And...

Vine Whip missed!

Sure, that's possible. There IS that annoying 0.4% chance. So I kept blowing that Pokeflute, and...

The next three VineWhips also missed.

One miss is possible, but four consecutive 99.6% moves missing is a 1/4,294,967,296 chance (that's right, one in four billion). So now you have a useless fact to laugh about: 99.6% accurate moves WILL miss if they would otherwise do zero damage.

Oh yeah, this experiment is highly repeatable -- just take any pokemon who is 133 or higher Special and *4 resistant to Route 24 and look for Bellsprouts. In G/S it's even easier -- you can find level 3 Bellsprouts east of Violet City, and you only need 50 SD to cut them down to 0 damage.

Oh yeah, the fifth VineWhip hit... a Critical Hit! And, if you plug the numbers, CHs will do usually do 1 damage not 0, sooo...

- Atma, damn proud of watching a 99.6% move miss four times running

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posted 06-14-2001 12:25 PM      Profile for Sifu Peng   Author's Homepage   Email Sifu Peng   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow... that be some good research there.

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Dragonite21
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posted 06-14-2001 01:52 PM      Profile for Dragonite21     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's because, when damage dealt is lower than 1HP, the move automatically misses anyway.

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posted 06-14-2001 07:44 PM      Profile for incompetent   Author's Homepage   Email incompetent   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There is, but one exception to the 0 damage policy. If a multi-turn normal type move is used on a ghost pokemon, the move will have no effect on the first turn and continue hitting for 0 damage on the next few turns.

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posted 06-15-2001 10:17 AM      Profile for Cyb758   Email Cyb758   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I tried it too with my level lv57 Draggy (138 spc) in blue and vine whip missed then the damn Bellsprout got smart and used growth twice and every hit after that took 1HP.

My conclusion: Bellsprouts are smart. We must destroy them all (an ice beam did that nicely btw).

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posted 06-15-2001 08:25 PM      Profile for spunman        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
phunny... in g/s it just hits and does 0 damage. get a mega happy wigglytuff, give him frustration, and start swingin'. it's fun.

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Mewone
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posted 06-16-2001 01:22 AM      Profile for Mewone     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Or the level 0 Seismic Tosser...

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posted 06-20-2001 10:56 AM      Profile for LavosPhoenix   Email LavosPhoenix   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I haven't ever played around with the Damage Calculator....

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posted 09-09-2001 11:07 AM      Profile for Living on air bubbles   Email Living on air bubbles   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Useless fact

Good job atma


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posted 09-09-2001 08:33 PM      Profile for Mu   Author's Homepage   Email Mu   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Living on air bubbles:
Useless fact

Good job atma


Bringing back dead posts, good job assmuncher.

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posted 09-10-2001 03:16 AM      Profile for White Cat   Author's Homepage   Email White Cat      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whining about everything, good job Mu.

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posted 09-10-2001 02:12 PM      Profile for Automaton   Author's Homepage   Email Automaton   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
White Cat:
Stamp out intolerance!

Being intolerant, Good Job White Cat!


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posted 09-10-2001 10:24 PM      Profile for oporaca     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I saw the same thing when messing around with a Zubat and a Ditto on PokeSta 2. Leech Life w/0 damage still recovers 1 HP, oddly enough

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White Cat
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posted 09-12-2001 04:26 AM      Profile for White Cat   Author's Homepage   Email White Cat      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That was the point, good job Automaton!

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Manuel Calavera
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posted 09-24-2001 04:09 PM      Profile for Manuel Calavera     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is also why it says Counter and Mirror Coat miss instead of failing or not affecting.

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posted 09-24-2001 11:59 PM      Profile for Mr.E     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"WOBBUFFET used MIRROR COAT!"

"It doesn't affect TYRANITAR!"

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posted 10-06-2001 07:35 AM      Profile for theclaw   Author's Homepage   Email theclaw   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Level 0 seismic toss? I didn't think of trying that!

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posted 10-06-2001 08:12 AM      Profile for Jolt135   Author's Homepage   Email Jolt135   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Messing with the streak, bad job Manuel Calavera, Mr. E, and theclaw!
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Rolken
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posted 10-06-2001 10:37 AM      Profile for Rolken   Author's Homepage   Email Rolken   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I thought that was common knowledge?

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Givera
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posted 10-06-2001 08:59 PM      Profile for Givera   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yea, but Atma likes taking credit for things that are already known like the Thick Club bug.
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