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spunman
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posted 04-21-2001 10:19 PM      Profile for spunman        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
thanks to the help of blissey, steelix, dragonite, and shuckle, i've found some things about substitute that i don't THINK anyone knows yet. namely, that substitute doesn't retain the creator's stats or type, just the hp.

substitute's entry

a shuckle with a blissey substitute works quite well. and if i missed something on substitute's attack page, please lemme know. i THINK i got it all, but...

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Biffster
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posted 04-21-2001 11:06 PM      Profile for Biffster     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Quick note on sub... If a Pokémon has a sub out it can still be hit by Sandstorm to take away the HP on the bar.

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Jman
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posted 04-22-2001 09:55 AM      Profile for Jman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not that it matters, but I knew that. Only because I've recieved an excellent attack page from one of my helpers, Continue. *shrug*

I didn't add it yet, though.

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posted 04-23-2001 07:37 PM      Profile for 10,000Lb.Snorlax   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
1.) Does sub block Haze and psyche up? By Haze I mean "will the sub stay out along with any status changes the defender has used?"

2.) So that means that a Mankey's Rock Smash will not do 2x damage when used against a blissy's sub?

3.) What Happens when Transform is used against someone with a sub up?

4.) What happens when Pain Split is used against a sub?

5.) What happens when a sub is up when an opponent uses perish song?

6.) Can sub be used in conjunction with Mirror Coat/ Counter?

7.) Do status modifyers like acid armor, amnesia still transfer to a sub?

8.) WHat do you mean that subs do not share their users type? DOes everything just do 1x damage?

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posted 04-23-2001 09:10 PM      Profile for poccil   Author's Homepage   Email poccil   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
To make testing easier, let me add this.

Mr. Mime is the only Pokemon that can learn Substitute naturally (L11 GS; L47 RBY)

Using Transform changes the user into the creator of the sub, not the sub itself.

Pain Split will not affect a sub.

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posted 04-24-2001 06:31 AM      Profile for White Cat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
spunman: substitute doesn't retain the creator's stats or type, just the hp.

10k: So that means that a Mankey's Rock Smash will not do 2x damage when used against a blissy's sub?

I think spunman's statement only applies to when a Sub is transferred to another Pokemon via Baton Pass.

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posted 04-24-2001 07:58 AM      Profile for geese   Email geese   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 10,000Lb.Snorlax:

6.) Can sub be used in conjunction with Mirror Coat/ Counter?

Unfortunately for Blissey, no.

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spunman
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posted 05-01-2001 02:25 PM      Profile for spunman        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
10,000Lb.Snorlax:
1.) Does sub block Haze and psyche up? By Haze I mean "will the sub stay out along with any status changes the defender has used?"
the sub works off the current pokémon's defensive stats. if you screech a pokémon with a sub, the sub's defense still drops. if you then haze it, the sub's defense returns to normal.

2.) So that means that a Mankey's Rock Smash will not do 2x damage when used against a blissy's sub?
it will if blissey is still out. if the sub was passed to another pokémon, the new pokémon's type is used, not blissey's.

3.) What Happens when Transform is used against someone with a sub up?
transform works the same with or without the sub.

4.) What happens when Pain Split is used against a sub?
pain split doesn't work against a sub.

5.) What happens when a sub is up when an opponent uses perish song?
perish song works the same whether there are subs out or not.

6.) Can sub be used in conjunction with Mirror Coat/ Counter?
no, they miss if you have a sub out.

7.) Do status modifyers like acid armor, amnesia still transfer to a sub?
yes.

8.) WHat do you mean that subs do not share their users type? DOes everything just do 1x damage?
i mean user as in the pokémon that used the substitute attack. if it is baton passed, the sub does not function of the type of the pokémon that used substitute, it uses the type of the pokémon that is currently protected by the sub.

did i get everything?

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Manuel Calavera
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posted 05-20-2001 06:23 AM      Profile for Manuel Calavera     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wee... I smell a new Vapoureon (GODDAMIT, it's not VapOr, it's VapOUr! Spell right, yanks!).

-Vapoureon-
Whirlpool
Baton Pass
Substitute
Acid Armor
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quote:
Originally posted by Manuel Calavera:
Wee... I smell a new Vapoureon (GODDAMIT, it's not VapOr, it's VapOUr! Spell right, yanks!).

What the hell r u talking about?... it's vaporeon...

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Jman
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posted 05-20-2001 05:23 PM      Profile for Jman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
K, well, Metalloid Research got its substitute page up, and it will answer all your questions(hopefully).

Find it here:

http://www.angelfire.com/pa4/jman/substitute.html

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spunman
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posted 05-21-2001 04:14 AM      Profile for spunman        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
jman: excellent! i do believe you've covered EVERYTHING! but you lose a couple brownie points for making me open msie again...
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Jman
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posted 05-23-2001 03:52 PM      Profile for Jman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks.

Madd props to Continue, he wrote that up.

Again, sowwy about MSIE... I'm working on fixing that stuff.

Oh, and this may be a good time to ask...

Would you like to be on my Sneakerton 3 tourney team? Not sure if you are interested in that kinda stuff...

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I have two questions... Maybe they are stupid but please answer them anyways...

1. Will Substitute PREVENT fainting from Explosion/Selfdestruct? I don't think so but I wanna know for sure.

2. After Baton Passing, will the Baton Passer still have the cut HP? In other words, will both the Passer AND the Passee (receiver) have cut HP? Or will just the passee have cut HP.

Thanks in advance!

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spunman
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posted 05-24-2001 10:04 AM      Profile for spunman        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
if you explode with a sub out, you still faint. if your opponent explodes while you have a sub out, they faint and break the sub (unless they're a lvl 5 voltorb or something), but you will not faint.

if a sub is baton passed, the baton recipient doesn't suffer an hp loss. hp is only lost on the turn the sub is made.

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Manuel Calavera
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posted 05-27-2001 02:49 PM      Profile for Manuel Calavera     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Random Loser:
What the hell r u talking about?... it's vaporeon...

We English spell it right. The stupid Yanks changed the spelling of it because they can't spell, and they can't say "mirror" right. Mir-ror, not Mee-ror.

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posted 05-28-2001 06:39 AM      Profile for White Cat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Vaporeon" is a proper noun, so there's only one correct spelling.

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posted 06-07-2001 11:54 AM      Profile for Continue   Email Continue   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Jman:
Thanks.

Madd props to Continue, he wrote that up.


Apologies for not responding sooner, but I normally only get the chance to check out AH while I'm at work, and work has been very busy for the past few weeks.

Anyway, credit should go to Bandraptor, most of the testing was hers.

There are a couple of things I want to re-test. IIRC, it might only be the recoil moves. My own testing for those showed different results, namely only taking 1 point of damage when one of those was used to break a Substitute in one hit.

Also, Bandraptor never got around to posting results of tests on Substitute for Stadium 2 to see if anything had changed (my own experience with Lock-On has confirmed that the interaction with that move has not).

Hey, Jman, could Metalloid's credits page be made more like AH's, so that the proper credit could be given for things like this (like Bandraptor as Primary contributor for Substitute and myself as Secondary)?


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Jman
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Yeah, that would work. I've got a lot of time now, its summer for me, starting today!

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