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kelv
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posted 02-16-2001 03:51 PM      Profile for kelv   Email kelv   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I've been trying to find out what the Fishing Guru was meaning when he said "the world's longest Magikarp", and I could find very little. What can you make of it?

All I can make of it is that...
It can be any Magikarp, caught by fishing or surfing.
SE is a nonfactor, and neither is Level.
Genes IS a factor. My female Magikarp was 2'7" while my male one was 3'0"

What I'm thinking:
You have to get a Magikarp that, when measured by the Fishing Guru, it exceeds the height measurement of Magikarp listed in the Pokédex. I've yet to confirm this, because I can't get a Magikarp that big to amaze the fishing guru (my five-way-sharked-max-lab Magikarp scored 3'1")

Any ideas on how it works?

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Has done some of his own research in the Karp and has reached the same facts.

Okay, here are some quotes from my post about this at PF, some time ago.

I had breed up a 3'6" Magikarp, and it had IVs close to 10 (power spike killed my data)


Oh, and the formula can't work for the English. Yay! Porygon said this, but she just said what I said at a different forum.

quote:
Umm, Yay Porygon, I know that Formula and I believe it doesn't work in the English version of the game, even if you could work out how to use it as the units at the end of the equation is centimetres (a metric measurement, which we use in my country) and the units the English game uses is Imperial measurement. See the divide by 10 at the end, common sign of a metric equation (trust me, I've done it for over 6 yrs in math). Once again, in hindsight I should have included that in my first post.

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I just thought it was something like the surfing pikachu. In stadium, you win a fucking big Magikarp, take it to the guy and something happens.Yeah.

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But, what is the big deal with that guy? I mean, I shown a 4'1 Magikarp to him and he gave me an Elixer!! :P

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posted 02-17-2001 06:57 AM      Profile for Starwolf   Author's Homepage   Email Starwolf   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I remember in the Cartoon there was that 10'0 Majikarp maybey you have to catch a 10'0 one.

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I beleive that, the higher level you catch it at, the longer it is. Anyone with gameshark should try this, I'm too lazy to. But who listens to Muku, anyway?

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Level and Stat Exp have absolutely nothing to do with it, it is based solely on the Genes/DVs/IVs/whatever you want to call them.

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posted 02-17-2001 06:20 PM      Profile for kelv   Email kelv   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, there goes my theory about Karp length being longer than Pokédex height being a winner. I just checked the Karp in the 'dex and it said it was 2'11"

Well, can anyone post their DVs up and maybe we could find that formula...

My 3'1" Karp is 5-way max.

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quote:
Originally posted by kelv:
Well, there goes my theory about Karp length being longer than Pokédex height being a winner. I just checked the Karp in the 'dex and it said it was 2'11"

Well, can anyone post their DVs up and maybe we could find that formula...

My 3'1" Karp is 5-way max.


Winners are those that have a length greater than the one listed on the sign outside the house.

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I have a box with some lvl 40 Magikarps.

HP: 4
Att: 8
Def: 7
SpA: 14
SpD: 14
Speed: 5 / 6
Length: 2'9"

HP: 4
Att: 5 / 6
Def: 3
SpA: 2
SpD: 2
Speed: 10 / 11
Length: 2'6"

HP: 15
Att: 9
Def: 0 / 1
SpA: 0 / 1
SpD: 0 / 1
Speed: 13
Length: 3'3"

HP: 5 / 6
Att: 2
Def: 3
SpA: 4
SpD: 4
Speed: 0 / 1
Length: 2'8"

HP: 8
Att: 10 / 11
Def: 5 / 6
SpA: 14
SpD: 14
Speed: 12
Length: 3'0"

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quote:
Originally posted by Muku:
But who listens to Muku, anyway?

Exactly.

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kelv
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posted 02-17-2001 08:30 PM      Profile for kelv   Email kelv   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The genes go HP/Att/Def/Spd/Spc for your reference.

4/8/7/6/14
Length: 2'9"

4/6/3/10/2
Length: 2'6"

15/9/1/13/1
Length: 3'3"

6/2/3/1/4
Length: 2'8"

8/11/6/12/14
Length: 3'0"

All I can think of right now is that male Magikarp are longer than female ones.


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kelv
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posted 02-17-2001 10:30 PM      Profile for kelv   Email kelv   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, there goes my theory that male Magikarp are longer...

I tested 45 Magikarp DV sets, and here's what I got. Genesets (in ADSS order) are in hex:

1'11"
3200

2'1"
2200

2'7"
FAAA (the max shiny!)
F200
0200
FEFF

2'11"
7FFF

3'0"
BFFF

3'1"
FFFF (the 5-way max)
DFFF
F7FF
FBFF
FF7F
FFBF
FFDF
FFEF
FFF7
FFFB
FFFD
FFFE

3'2"
3400
DFFF

3'3"
0000 (the 5-way min)
0808
1000
2000
0010
0020
0040
0080
0001
0001
0004
0008
0800
0400

3'4"
4000

3'5"
8000

3'6"
F000
F400

3'7"
FDFF
0100

3'8"
4100

4'5"
8100

4'11"
C100

From what I can see out of the 15, I think that Speed and Special DVs are irrelevant, although I have yet to test that theory.

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Just so y'know... HP is based on the least significant digit of the other mods. Hence, take 0 for base HP stat, and if Att is odd, add 8; if Defense is odd, add 4; if SpecAt/Def is odd, add 2; if Speed is odd, add 1. Or maybe they're rearranged. But close enough.

So you can use that to determine the X / X+1 stats you've got up there.

I highly doubt the game would follow the anime, though... remember, the people who make it have probably never so much as looked at a Pokemon cart or a GBC.

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posted 02-18-2001 12:52 AM      Profile for kelv   Email kelv   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Rolken, you have Speed and Special mixed up in the HP DV formula. What do you mean by the x/x+1 formula?

Well, there goes that theory of Speed and Special being irrelevant. I ran 17 more Magikarp. Here's what I got:

1'11"
3201
3202
3204
3208
3210
3220
3240
3280

4'10"
C101

4'11"
C104
C108
C110
C120
C140

5'0"
C180

5'1"
C102

5'2"
C182

I still have no idea what the pattern is, since every single theory I have is WRONG.

PS. You can snooker the Fishing Guru to give you more than one Ether (if you are lucky or you have a Gameshark), but you already knew that. If I'm right, the bar starts at 3'6" so get a 3'7" Karp (for one), then a 3'8" (for another), and so on...

<edit> 3 more Karps for you!</edit>
3C01: 3'2"
0AAA: 2'7"
2AAA: 2'0" (the lowest possible shiny DVs)

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Could the time that you catch the Magikarp have any thing to do with it?

Probably not, but in fishing, supposedly during the morning more fish are active and hungry.

I dunno.

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Meowth346 has said something about your Trainer number having something to do with it...more tests are needed!

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Yes, the Pokémon's OT's ID is part of the formulae. I don't know why all the tests when the English version's formula has almost no variation from the Japanese one (which involves right rotate carries and xor comparing, etc, but is still simple, none-the-less).

But, if you really want to go the hard way, at least include the Magikarp's ID No.

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posted 02-25-2001 08:54 PM      Profile for kelv   Email kelv   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What the hell is a "right rotate carry"? Is it like a bit shift?

BTW, my Trainer ID is 07608, and the name is Idiotic.

Also, Meowth346 is implying that the English formula is the same as the Japanese one, only extra steps were taken to convert it to imperial. He's also implying that he has this formula. What is it? And, on an unrelated, but still gene-related topic, what is the Unown Letter Formula?

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Meowth346 has posted up the Unown Letter Formula, and the Bug Catching Formula.

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Ok, I might look at this.

Why the hell I should care about Magikarp I still don't know...

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I emailed Necro about hacking into the ROM and extracting that part of the code, but he said that he was to busy to do it, but if he had time, he would look into it. I was wondering if anyone hear could do it. After all, was that not how the current version of most of the Formula's were found?

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I tested the DV's for 5'2" (C182) and it didn't work. My ID is 56126. It gave me 3'1" instead. Made me mad.

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posted 04-12-2001 09:35 PM      Profile for poccil   Author's Homepage   Email poccil   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have translated part of the Magikarp formula. I need your help on the rest of it.

Click here to see the formula as I currently deciphered it.

Click here to see the original document where the formula came from. It's the second article from the top.

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mleo2003: I tested the DV's for 5'2" (C182) and it didn't work. My ID is 56126. It gave me 3'1" instead. Made me mad.

OT is a factor and my OT is 07608.


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I think that everyone can get 5'2", just that no one's DV numbers are going to be the same, due to individual ID numbers.

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OK, I found these codes on GSCentral's UBB, and thought they might help research this. They are the mods to how long your 1st Slot Magikarp are:

Feet 01??D3D0
Inches 01??D4D0

Will someone who knows what the values in the ROM section of the NO$GMB emulator try to find where the formula is. Maybe these codes will help you find it.

I know these codes should have been posted in Sakaki Tower, but they seemed more relevant to this researching venture.

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