The Azure Heights Forum


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile | search | faq | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» The Azure Heights Forum   » Main Campus   » Research Lab   » Arming non-sharkers with Hidden Power

UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: Arming non-sharkers with Hidden Power
Leprechaun
unregistered


posted 12-12-2000 05:30 PM           Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi everyone. I had a few revelations about Hidden Power that I felt I should share.

I was sitting around breeding Eevee's with my friend Cuban B, when thanks to Cuban's breeding info I got an Eevee with DV's of 15/13/15/15.
I decided to check which Hidden Power that would give me and discovered it was a 70 power ice attack.

Anyway as visions of my ice throwing Jolteon danced through my head, I decided to take a look at the HP formula, and found out some interesting things.

For those of you who donít know HP is determined by your DVís. When a pokemon uses HP it determines type and value based on the binary form of your DVís.

Determining Type:
The first thing to do is determine what type of Hidden Power a pokemon has. This is determined entirely by your Attack, and Defense. To find out what type of power it is you take the binary forms of your At, and De and take the last 2 digits of each number. Then you combine the digits to create a new number.

Ex: Say we have a Mareep with Dvís of At:1 and De:2 (Aww poor Mareep L )
First we change the numbers to binary
1 becomes 0001
2 becomes 0010
So for the new value would be 0110 which is 6 which when we consult our list of HP types is a Ghost type (list to follow shortly)

Determining Power:
Finding the power of the attack is a little more difficult. We have to create two new numbers X and Y

X is the only number that is determined by using all the DVís. To determine X we take the first digit of the binary forms of each DV and create a new number in order of At/De/Spec/Speed

Ex: Our ghost Mareep from earlier has Special:15 and Speed:13 (least all of its stats donít suck)
15 becomes 1111
13 becomes 1101
So you take 0 from At, 0 from De, 1 from Special, and 1 from Speed
Your new number is 0011 which is 3

Y is the easiest number to find you just take your special, and if itís above 3 turn it into 3

Ex: Our Mareep has a special of 15, its above 3 so Y=3. (Yes Y can only assume the values of 0,1,2,3)

Ok now you plug your values into this formula:
((X ◊ 5 + Y) ų 2) + 31
Ex: Our Mareep has X=3 and Y=3 so
((3 ◊ 5 + 3) ų 2) + 31 = 40
So our Mareep has a 40 power Ghost attack

Applying this:
So now we have to make this work for us. In the beginning only sharkers could do anything about DVís, but with breeding now we all have a lot more options open to us.

With breeding we can increase our chances dramatically of getting a 70 power attack of our choosing.

Now choosing what type of attack is pretty simple, since itís only determined by two of the four stats. Through breeding with ditto we can always be guaranteed whatever defense we want, by making sure the ditto has that defense, since when breeding with a ditto the dittoís defense is always given to the child. Therefore the only thing thatís random (in determining type) is the attack, and once your sure of your defense there are four values for attack that will give you whatever HP you desire. (list to follow)

Getting a 70 power is a little more difficult. To get a 70 power both X, and Y have to be at their max value, for X thatís 15, and for Y thatís 3. Now Y is simple you just need a
Special DV of 3 or higher.

X is more difficult but not to much more. 15 in binary is 1111, which means to get a 15 for X the first digit of each of the binary forms of the DVís must be 1. At 8 or above the first digit will always be 1.

So if you have the correct attack and defense, and all your DVís are 8 or above you have your self a 70 power HP.

Iíve been using a Ditto with stats of 15/13/15/9 to breed with. Through this Iíve been guaranteed a 13 defense, and my special has always been 7 or 15. So the only random things are attack and speed. The odds of me getting a HP of 70 with this ditto are around 1/32. Far better odds then the wild.

(If some of the breeding info doesnít make sense to you check out Cuban Bís breeding for stats post: http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/Forum1/HTML/000531.html)

Now on to the Lists:
This is that tells the value of each HP type
Dark-15
Dragon-14
Ice-13
Psychic-12
Electric-11
Grass-10
Water-9
Fire-8
Steel-7
Ghost-6
Bug-5
Rock-4
Ground-3
Poison-2
Flying-1
Fighting-0

This List shows what values for Attack and Defense will give you what HP. Also notice that for each HP type there are 2 values which are above 8. This means that for each type of hidden power there are 2 attack, and defense stats which will give you a power of 70. If the rest of your values (special, speed) are above 8

Dark-Attack-3/7/11/15
Defense-3/7/11/15

Dragon-Attack-3/7/11/15
Defense-2/6/10/14

Ice-Attack-3/7/11/15
Defense-1/5/9/13

Psychic-Attack-3/7/11/15
Defense-0/4/8/12

Electric-Attack-2/6/10/14
Defense-3/7/11/15

Grass-Attack-2/6/10/14
Defense-2/6/10/14

Water-Attack-2/6/10/14
Defense-1/5/9/13

Fire-Attack-2/6/10/14
Defense-0/4/8/12

Steel-Attack-1/5/9/13
Defense-3/7/11/15

Ghost-Attack-1/5/9/13
Defense-2/6/10/14

Bug-Attack-1/5/9/13
Defense-1/5/9/13

Rock-Attack-1/5/9/13
Defense-0/4/8/12

Ground-Attack-0/4/8/12
Defense-3/7/11/15

Poison-Attack-0/4/8/12
Defense-2/6/10/14

Flying-Attack-0/4/8/12
Defense-1/5/9/13

Fighting-Attack-0/4/8/12
Defense-0/4/8/12

Many thanks to:
Cuban B: Without his breeding info and help, I never even would have looked at Hidden Power.

Team PA: Where I first saw the Hidden Power formula. Thanks! http://www.teampa.f2s.com/

As always this info isnít perfect, I very well could be wrong. If anyone finds anything wrong with this, or gets different results. Please bring it to our attention; we might just be able to master this stuff yet.

------------------


IP: Logged
MewtwoSama
Asshole
Member # 12

Member Rated:
posted 12-12-2000 06:58 PM      Profile for MewtwoSama   Author's Homepage   Email MewtwoSama   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay smart guy, figure this one out:

Find the optimum Hidden Power for each type that will have max HP.

In other words, find a Fighting Power that has max HP and still strong enough to use.

------------------
Even if Fanny was in Revenge of the Nerds, people wouldnt like him.


From: Abyss of Evil | Registered: Feb 2000  |  IP: Logged
Porcupine
Farting Nudist
Member # 46

Member Rated:
posted 12-12-2000 07:27 PM      Profile for Porcupine   Email Porcupine   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
According to pokedaily.com's Hidden Power formula, that is not possible. For example if you want a Fighting Power, the maximum HP DV you can have is 3 out of 15. I studied the formula carefully...once you have chosen an elemental type you want, your maximum HP is already determined as well. Not only that but it does coincide with the maximum allowed for your other stats as well.

------------------


From: Honolulu, HI, USA | Registered: Feb 2000  |  IP: Logged
jedi_DOJ
Farting Nudist
Member # 844

Member Rated:
posted 12-12-2000 08:07 PM      Profile for jedi_DOJ     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sama, the only way to get max hp from what you are saying is getting hidden power for the following:

Bug
Dark
Ice
Steel

We know Mewtwos max hp is 415. To get 415 hp, you could only have hidden power for the above. Any other elements would be less than the possible Max HP.

From the list I emailed you, look for odd Attack and Defense. Those types are the only ones that can give you MAX HP (as long as your Speed DV and Special DV are odd as well).

To get the other types other than the ones above require Attack and Defense DV's to be even on one or both DV's. So for the other types, if Attack and Defense DV's are even to get your desired type hidden power (fire power for example:

AT DV=14 (E) since even=0
DF DV=12 (C) since even=0
Spl DV=15 (F) since odd=2
Spd DV=15 (F) since odd=1

Your HP DV would be 3. To get your possible HP for this fire power,

take 15 minus 3 (15-3=12)
Take 12 times 2 (12*2=24).

Now subtract 24 from the MAX hp for that pokemon. For Mewtwo with MAX HP of 415. His hp would be

415 minus 24 (415-24=391)

If only one DV is even,
where attack DV even and defense DV odd

to get your desired type hidden power (flying power for example which has an even attack DV and odd defense DV:

AT DV=12 (C) since even=0
DF DV=13 (D) since even=4
Spl DV=15 (F) since odd=2
Spd DV=15 (F) since odd=1

Your HP DV would be 7. To get your possible HP for this flying power,

take 15 minus 7 (15-7=8)
Take 8 times 2 (8*2=16).

Now subtract 16 from the MAX hp for that pokemon. For Mewtwo with MAX HP of 415. His hp would be

415 minus 16 (415-16=399)

If only one DV is even,
where attack DV odd and defense DV even

to get your desired type hidden power (ghost power for example which has an odd attack DV and even defense DV:

AT DV=13 (D) since even=8
DF DV=14 (E) since even=0
Spl DV=15 (F) since odd=2
Spd DV=15 (F) since odd=1

Your HP DV would be 11. To get your possible HP for this ghost power,

take 15 minus 11 (15-11=4)
Take 4 times 2 (4*2=8).

Now subtract 8 from the MAX hp for that pokemon. For Mewtwo with MAX HP of 415. His hp would be

415 minus 8 (415-8=407)


Simple eh!

------------------


Registered: Aug 2000  |  IP: Logged
NickWhiz1
Farting Nudist
Member # 30

Member Rated:
posted 05-12-2001 10:54 AM      Profile for NickWhiz1   Author's Homepage   Email NickWhiz1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
*bump*

I like this topic.

------------------
"Aww, does the poor widdle Death Stawmie need mommie to kiss away its boo-boo?" - White Cat


From: Toledo, OH, USA | Registered: Feb 2000  |  IP: Logged
White Cat
Nobody knows why I'm an admin.
Member # 42

Member Rated:
posted 05-13-2001 07:11 PM      Profile for White Cat   Author's Homepage   Email White Cat      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Great work, Leprechaun!

------------------
"What exactly does the Speed rating do? The only thing I've found is that it determines who goes first each turn, which is pretty pointless."
-- Me, two years ago


From: Calgary | Registered: Feb 2000  |  IP: Logged
Manuel Calavera
Sock Lover
Member # 1202

Member Rated:
posted 05-17-2001 02:39 PM      Profile for Manuel Calavera     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Goody. My Flareon has Fighting Power 70. No more abuse from Tyranitar.

------------------
Absurd length? Poo.


From: Newcastle, Home of Geordies, Brown Ale and The Wildhearts | Registered: Nov 2000  |  IP: Logged
The Great Dreamer
Farting Nudist
Member # 117

Member Rated:
posted 05-17-2001 06:11 PM      Profile for The Great Dreamer   Email The Great Dreamer   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
...my math teacher didn't love me...
So what stats do I need to make a 70 Rock Power parasect? I wish there was a simpler way of communicating this...*sigh*
Edit:
AHHHH!!! Cuban B's post is not there!!!!! The link is broken!!!!

------------------
"Come on guys, your mindless comments are making the Dreamer look coherent." -cfalcon

[This message has been edited by The Great Dreamer (edited 05-17-2001).]


From: Las Vegas were everyone uses Mimic & Metronome! | Registered: Mar 2000  |  IP: Logged
poccil
Farting Nudist
Member # 1457

posted 05-17-2001 07:18 PM      Profile for poccil   Author's Homepage   Email poccil   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have made a Hidden Power Reverse calculator tonight, and according to it, for 70 Rock Power, you'll need a pokemon with any of the following DVs:

Attack: 9, 13
Defense: 8, 12
Speed: 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15
Special: 11, 15


quote:
AHHHH!!! Cuban B's post is not there!!!!! The link is broken!!!!

I had saved the topic just in time. Click here


------------------
Peter Occil, in charge of The Ultimate Pokemon Center
Check out my Gold/Silver Guides! http://www.poccil.f2s.com/games/gs/guides/

[This message has been edited by poccil (edited 05-17-2001).]


Registered: Jan 2001  |  IP: Logged
Brayze
Farting Nudist
Member # 1286

Member Rated:
posted 05-18-2001 07:40 PM      Profile for Brayze     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If your calculator is correct, then riddle me this:

How did I get a Bug Power 70 Pinsir with the DVs:

12 HP 9 ATK 13 DEF 14 SPEC 10 SPD?

I don't think special has anything to do with determining type, it's all about attack and defense, baby. Specifically, the last two hex digits of each.

------------------
"Have bacon! Coffee! Come on, you're American!" - The Japanese


From: Lunar Palace ver. 3.1 | Registered: Dec 2000  |  IP: Logged
poccil
Farting Nudist
Member # 1457

posted 05-18-2001 09:52 PM      Profile for poccil   Author's Homepage   Email poccil   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I updated the calculator. Hopefully it should be free of errors.

------------------
Peter Occil, in charge of The Ultimate Pokemon Center
Check out my Gold/Silver Guides! http://www.poccil.f2s.com/games/gs/guides/


Registered: Jan 2001  |  IP: Logged
spunman
Farting Nudist
Member # 1181

posted 05-21-2001 03:56 AM      Profile for spunman        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i guess it depends on your style, but doesn't a calculator for hidden power seem a little inefficient? meowth's just got a chart on his page, and you can see them all right there. not much to simplify in using a calculator, it just takes more time and allows for the posibility of bugs.

suit yourself, tho.

------------------
i am the sandshrew! cu-cu-kachoo!
"use a slowpoke tail and pretend it's a dildo. i do it all the time!" - onix12
"poli!!! :@ whoo! a poli smiley... well, kinda..." - kerokato


From: the middle | Registered: Nov 2000  |  IP: Logged


All times are ET (US)  
Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | Azure Heights Pokťmon Laboratory

© 2000-2016, Maximum Penetration Industries.

Karpe Diem


The views and opinions expressed on this page are strictly those of the author(s). The contents and links have not been reviewed or approved by the University of Miami.