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Pokegod
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posted 10-01-2000 04:42 PM      Profile for Pokegod     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Most people think that two body slams are more powerful than one hyper beam, but I think I found out otherwise. I used a level 60 Poliwhirl with body slam and hyper beam against Loriellies Dewgong. When I attacked with hyper beam, it took off half of the life bar. Dewgong then used rest and I tried body slam 2 times and it left about a third. I figured then that body slam was equal damage instead of better, but then I attacked again and Dewgong still had a sliver left! It rested again so I tried hyper beam, it took off half again and then recharged, and then it took off another half and killed dewgong! Of course this might have been a fluke, I need to test it again to make sure. But if it is proven, then everyone is making a big mistake!

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Robochu82
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posted 10-01-2000 05:06 PM      Profile for Robochu82   Email Robochu82   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I used a level 60 Poliwhirl with body slam and hyper beam against Loriellies Dewgong. When I attacked with hyper beam, it took off half of the life bar.So 1 Hyper Beam takes off about 50% of its HP Dewgong then used rest and I tried body slam 2 times and it left about a third.So 2 Body Slams took off about 66% of its HP I figured then that body slam was equal damage instead of better, but then I attacked again and Dewgong still had a sliver left!then the 2 Body Slams took off a little less than 66% of its HP It rested again so I tried hyper beam, it took off half again and then recharged, and then it took off another half and killed dewgong!So the 1 Hyper Beam took off exactly or a little more than 50% of its HP Of course this might have been a fluke, I need to test it again to make sure. But if it is proven, then everyone is making a big mistake!

What mistake? That 2 Body Slams are more powerful than 1 Hyper Beam? From what I can see, you just proved it.
Body Slam->85 base power x 2 = 170 base power
Hyper Beam->150 base power

If I made a mistake, please make your posts clearer. I could barely understand what you were trying to say.

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[This message has been edited by Robochu82 (edited 10-01-2000).]


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posted 10-01-2000 05:54 PM      Profile for Pokegod     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Me fail english? That's onpossible! But seriously, basically what I'm trying to say is that Hyper Beam does more damage over 3 turns than Body Slam.

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posted 10-01-2000 06:08 PM      Profile for Whoomp     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In three turns, hyperbeam WILL do more damage than body slam... unfortunetly, that's not a great comparison.

If your going to consider hyperbeams full duration (1 hyperbeam = 2 turns) you should probably be comparing 2 hyperbeams to 4 bodyslams.

Of course, in R/B/Y, hyperbeam benefits from not needing to recharge if the pokemon it hits gets KO'ed by it, thus making hyperbeam more beneficial in certain cases vrs bodyslam. However, in Stadium and G/S, you'll always suffer having to recharge regardless of missing or KO'ing your opponents pokemon.

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posted 10-01-2000 06:11 PM      Profile for DarkPersian   Author's Homepage   Email DarkPersian   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hyper Beam may do more damage in three turns than Body Slam but that's not the point you were attacking. Your own post still shows that two Body Slams are better than one Hyper Beam. Going beyond two turns doesn't matter much because the original point is that it might be a better idea to just Body Slam rather than Hyper Beam and lose a turn.

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posted 10-01-2000 06:54 PM      Profile for KingZapdos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Poliwirl can't learn Hyper Beam. Now, Poliwraith, that's another story...

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Quetzalcoatl
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posted 10-02-2000 04:08 PM      Profile for Quetzalcoatl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It depends on the situation. Body Slam works well as an attack, but hyper beam is more like a finisher/last resort attack.

Let's say that your Tauros is on its last sliver of HP and needs to do some serious Damge in one turn. The end result will be the same no matter what attack you use; Tauros will faint after the enemy attacks.

You have two attacks that still have PP:

Body Slam and Hyperbeam

Hyperbeam is more preferable because it is a more concentrated attack in one turn than Body slam. Plus you're not going to see the light of day, anyways after attacking.

To sum it up, hyperbeam is "A poor man's explosion." - said by a well-known KOFFING!

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posted 10-02-2000 04:26 PM      Profile for Iyse   Email Iyse   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh jeez!

Hyperbeam:
5PP
Pow 150
Acc 89.5

That's over two turns.

Body Slam:
15PP
Pow 85
Acc 99.6

That's over one turn. Over two:

Pow 170
Acc 99.6

If you miss with Hyper Beam, which is more possible than missing with Body Slam, you lose two turns, not one.

Hyper Beam has only 5PP, and even still if you screw about with the fact that 5PP is stretched over 10 turns, it still only equalises to 10PP, which again, is lower than Body Slam's 15PP.

Apart from alllll that, Body Slam also has a 30% chance of paralysing, which in istelf, is lovely! =D

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Pokegod
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posted 10-02-2000 06:22 PM      Profile for Pokegod     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whoops! I meant poliwrath! Clumsey me... Anyway, obviously hyper beam isn't the choice of champions here, but there in the case I mentioned Dewgong survived 4 *turns* of body slaming and 3 *turns* of hyper beaming, which in some cases might mean the difference between winning or fainting. But I bet this case would be exceedingly rare, and since Body Slam might paralyze too, it might actually steal a turn from the opponent. So much for that.

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posted 10-02-2000 10:23 PM      Profile for Mr. K   Author's Homepage   Email Mr. K   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pokegod: ...in the case I mentioned Dewgong survived 4 *turns* of body slaming and 3 *turns* of hyper beaming, which in some cases might mean the difference between winning or fainting. But I bet this case would be exceedingly rare...

It's not that rare, it's the same case Q was talking about.

Hyper Beam is either a finisher or an I'm-about-to-die move. It's not worth using otherwise, particularly when you consider that it might miss...

Anyway, even more effective than 2 Hyper Beams in your example would be 2 Body Slams and a Hyper Beam finisher.

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posted 10-03-2000 12:02 AM      Profile for Givera   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Iyse:
If you miss with Hyper Beam, which is more possible than missing with Body Slam, you lose two turns, not one.

I thought you only recharge if you hit...

*loads the Hyper Beam page*

"If the attack misses, breaks a Substitute, or faints the victim, your Pokémon does not need to recharge." --RBY

"A turn is always required to recharge, unless it's the final attack of the match" --Stadium

I was right about RBY...
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posted 10-07-2000 10:10 PM      Profile for SDShamshel   Email SDShamshel   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It seems you have neglected the simple concept of Damage deviation values. Unless pre-calculated like Seismic Toss, Body Slam won't always do the same amount of damage, and that can be why it survived.

Oh, and Pokegod... picking Dub Mewtwo's speech as a signature? Ick. Dubbed Mewtwo is a disgrace to Pokemon fandom...

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posted 10-08-2000 10:00 AM      Profile for salvester2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How did a poliwhirl get Hyper Beam that is what me is wondering

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Pokegod
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posted 10-08-2000 05:28 PM      Profile for Pokegod     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Pokegod:
Whoops! I meant poliwrath! Clumsey me...

Make sure you read all the posts before posting.

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