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magmar5
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posted 09-30-2000 03:17 PM      Profile for magmar5   Author's Homepage   Email magmar5   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I've ben doing reasearch CH for Stadium, It's is based on Speed/Special, but when you use FE, it gets bassed mainly on speed (83%), but without FE, its 50/50 between Speed&Special


now that has been tested.

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A pokemon with horrible speed doesn't get penilized, just average CH rate, Thats why Electrode/Mewtwo will have T-bolt/Psychic CH a lot.


Meaning Sandslash will just have a normal CH rate unless using Slash

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It's based on speed. a Lv.20 Alakazam in "pikacup" would get more critical hit because of his Highest special in the cup, now he has one of the highest speeds in the cup, he has the highest CH rate w/o FE.


get it now?

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Hey, that explains why my Jolty is getting all those CH with Double Kick. Thx for the info Magmar

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posted 10-03-2000 08:18 PM      Profile for Mr. K   Author's Homepage   Email Mr. K   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Crit Hits are based entirely on base Speed in RBY. We have no reason to suspect otherwise with regards to Stadium, as well.

I don't know where magmar's getting his info...

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quote:
Originally posted by Mr. K:
Crit Hits are based entirely on base Speed in RBY. We have no reason to suspect otherwise with regards to Stadium, as well.

I don't know where magmar's getting his info...



Did it ever cross your mind that maybe through testing he found something you guys missed?

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Did it occur to you that he is posting something without any data at all to back him up? Not to mention not explaining it very well?

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quote:
Originally posted by Huor:
Did it occur to you that he is posting something without any data at all to back him up? Not to mention not explaining it very well?


Yes it did...but he may still be right.

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I really doubt it's changed in Stadium.
Besides, your data may be corrupted because so many of the high-speed Pokémon are also high-special, too.

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salvester2: ...but he may still be right.

...maaaaaaaaaybe.

But until he posts some data or some explanation of how he came about these theories, there's no reason to believe him.

Our research is based on analysis of over 10,000 test cases. What's his research based on?

Until we know that, he's just another crackpot.

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That's magmar5 you're talking about...more than just a crackhead...

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quote:
Originally posted by Mr.E:
That's magmar5 you're talking about...more than just a crackhead...



Magmar... crackhead.. *starts laughing*


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Don't be so hard on him until you find out what his theory is based on, there are most likely people who dismiss everything on AH as 'Crackpot' because you don't post every single battle, statistic, and result (Yay Porygon thinks that way about all of my theories)

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quote:
Originally posted by oporaca:
Don't be so hard on him until you find out what his theory is based on, there are most likely people who dismiss everything on AH as 'Crackpot' because you don't post every single battle, statistic, and result (Yay Porygon thinks that way about all of my theories)

Yeah, even though it may not be true, don't assume it isn't simply because it ain't AH data.

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But you two don't know magmar5 like I do...

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posted 10-08-2000 10:31 PM      Profile for Yay Porygon   Author's Homepage   Email Yay Porygon   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well jeez, oporaca. Your theories are about Ebeagle being Porygon2, because Porygon2 is Electric (hence E) and is a beagle! Your theories accord no merit with evidence such as that.

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quote:
Originally posted by Yay Porygon:
Well jeez, oporaca. Your theories are about Ebeagle being Porygon2, because Porygon2 is Electric (hence E) and is a beagle! Your theories accord no merit with evidence such as that.

Yeah, and its English name isn't even Ebeagle...

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quote:
Originally posted by Yay Porygon:
Well jeez, oporaca. Your theories are about Ebeagle being Porygon2, because Porygon2 is Electric (hence E) and is a beagle! Your theories accord no merit with evidence such as that.

I didn't say Electric, I said Electronic. As in electronic devices. Like computers. Which is what Porygon (and Porygon2) was programmed on. Also, at the time, I hadn't seen a Porygon2 for a while, and I thought it looked more like a dog than a duck, which is apparently what it was intended to be.

Edit: And all things that begin with E these days mean Electronic. Like Email.

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Okay, here it is: Magmar5 is an idiot, plain and simple. AH has conducted research to such an extent that error is out of the question.
The only thing changed in Stadium is Focus Energy working. They just fixed errors in Stadium, like HyperBeam not recharging after you kill someone with it.

You have to understand that personal experience means nothing compared to research. When I first had the game (before I knew of AH), a Snorlax became stronger and stronger while using Amnesia... while using Normal attacks. This is a phenomenon now known as 'stat bleeding'. Research has backed it up. What I thought it was was attacks being based on part Special, part Strength. That was a theory I had, not something I believed. Just 'cause I found it I didn't go around the place proclaiming things which may be true.

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