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kelv
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posted 09-28-2000 08:27 PM      Profile for kelv   Email kelv   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Since I read in an earlier post that Struggle affects ghosts, does Struggle do 50% against Rock? If so, I was thinking that perhaps Struggle is typeless and that because there is no typeless designation in Pokémon, it just reads Normal.

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As I posted in my other post, it ignores all type effects, both ghost's immunity and rock's resistance.


...but game programmers could make a 16th (or 18th) type, call it "normal", and have it be *1 against all types.

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kelv
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posted 09-28-2000 10:19 PM      Profile for kelv   Email kelv   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is it just like the damage from confusion in the fact that whatever the BDF say is what it does, or does it have actual variability?

What kind of color is Jhoto?

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It is typeless almost but it reads as normal it effects ghost and rock for all of struggles power

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posted 10-09-2000 09:59 PM      Profile for CHaRiZaRd   Author's Homepage   Email CHaRiZaRd   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wouldn't say it's typeless. I fought a rhydon and i hit it w/ struggle... "It's not very effective..."
It's got.....limitations...thats it
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posted 10-10-2000 08:38 PM      Profile for Lunair     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hoo boy, looks like some people didn't look at the relevent pages before posting their remarkable 'breakthrough'...

Struggle is not typeless, guys! There's a handy feature of this site, and it is that Azure Heights is first and foremost a compilation of data. This means that it has a lot of data on moves you wouldn't even think they'd test; the people at Azure Heights are very thorough. Now - you can look at the Normal Attack Type Comparisons page, where it gives comparisons on all damaging normal-type attacking moves. You could also look in the 'Attacks' section, under 'S,' and click on the link to the 'Struggle' page.

If you don't want to waste your valuable mortality doing that, I've done so for your comfort. This is what it says:

'Struggle causes damage. Your Pokémon also receives damage, equal to 25% of the damage done to the enemy.

Because it is a Normal type attack, it cannot affect Ghost Pokémon.'

Being a Normal type attack also has other ramifications - such as Struggle doing 1/2 damage to Rock-type monsters, (as CHaRiZaRd has already pointed out), and will probably only do 1/2 damage to Steel types when Gold/Silver comes out in a few days.

As Mr. K says, the forums are not the main site! The main site is at www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/ or www.azureheights.com (which sends you directly to the first URL). The forums were just an add-on to the original site, in order let the general pokémad populace join the hunt in finding bugs.

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kelv
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posted 10-10-2000 11:37 PM      Profile for kelv   Email kelv   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, it seems you haven't read the forum's complaints department. Among one post was one about how one person, I forget who, finding that Struggle did affect ghosts and it did ignore Rock's resistance.

And Lunair, parts of the main site haven't been updated for ages, as pointed out by the webmasters of this site, so stop thinking that the main pages are everything here and the forum is a little addon. In fact, I think that the forum is where changes in the site are first made. Take some time and actually read the forum.

On an unrelated note, today's my birthday.

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necrosaro
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Actually, in the ROM there are several "NORMAL" type definitions in the G/B/Y ROM, and also the "BIRD" type definition that shows up on the MISSINGNO. that you can find while surfing on the coast. It may be that Struggle is one of these separate "NORMAL" types.
Actually, if this is true, that would be a neat trick to Shark in competition. Think about having your NORMAL pokemon be fine against all attacks that are normally super-effective on NORMAL

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From what I've seen, Struggle gives you 50% recoil...and it is Normal-Typed...

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Ok, we should go ahead and talk about which data comes from the gameboy games (R/B/Y) and which, if any, comes from Stadium, which has different rules in many places.

Azure tends to be from the Gameboy games, with special caveats made for certain moves in Stadium that are different. Struggle may be one of these...

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