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EeveeTrainer
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posted 09-09-2000 08:58 PM      Profile for EeveeTrainer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just thought about this, and here it is...If you already knew it, don't sue me!! ^_^;

Well, consider this. Jolteon's defense is 218 and it's HP is 333. Chansey's defense is 108 and it's HP is 703. If you double Chansey's defense to 216 and double jolteon's HP to 666, you'll see that Chansey's defense is now almost the same as jolteons and jolteon's HP is still lower than chanseys. This proves that Chansey, in fact, is BETTER at taking physical attacks that Jolteon is!
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Um....it only prooves that jolteons are from...SHHHAAAAATAAAAAAAANNNNNNNN!!!!!
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Yeah but you'll never have the opprotunity to double those stats, and with the normal max 103 def, Chansey is still worse.

And you call yourself the American Pokemon champj\k:-)

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I think what eeveetrainer is trying to say is that Chansey can survive more physical attacks than Jolteon.
Or did I just read it wrong.

And if the damage calculator is right, a bulbasaur using bite will do an average of 80 damage to a max stat Chansey, so it could (on average) survive 9 bites, while the same bulbasaur using bite will do 44 damage on average, meaning that it will suvive 8 turn's (on average).

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Well, an easier way to figure out who has essentially the better defensive capabilities is to use the proportioned stats on Eruza Depths, and it's cool to combine them with my formula "http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/Forum1/HTML/000351.html" to get base stats that encooperate HP. Anyway, these are the approzimate defensies of those 2 Pokemon taking consideration of their HP [basically, if their HP was 100, it tells what their defence would be].

Chansey: 45
Jolteon: 40

So, you were right hehe. And in G/S, Chansey evolves, bringing it's defenses up to about 55 base [taking HP into consideration]. Adios

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Wouldn't it just be easier to multiply the pokemon's max HP by it's max defense? You get higher numbers, of course, but they're still proportional. For example, if you wanted to compare how much damage both chansey and mewtwo take from special-based attacks, you get:

Chansey: 703 * 308 = 216542
Mewtwo: 415 * 406 = 168490

216542/168490 = 1.2852

Thus, chansey takes special-based attacks better than Mewtwo by 28.5%.

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Well Chansey is OK, if you get a Chance to Minimize and Defense curl to max but its a bit of a gamble. If you run into a Dragonite or Snorlax with max attack you ar in S***. Plus Any attack from Chansey (Special or Attack based) won't do that much since it can't get a bonus, only for norm which is attac based....Yikes Chansey's Attack!

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That's why most Chanseys include Seismic Toss.

Most people don't pit Chansey againt Dragonite or Snorlax (unless Chansey is already pumped and has Ice Beam, in which case dragons are in trouble).

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This finally proves what I have always said and that is, Chansey kicks all.

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I don't think anybody questions Chansey's potential as a kick ass pokemon...

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And with G/S, we'll have Blissey! Yay!

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True enough guys,

Chansey has a lot of potential, like today i got through nearly three pokemon using only the egg that was with: Sing, Softboiled, Ice Beam, Seismic Toss. Don't even wan't to think about how far I would have got if i used DT and Minimize strategy.

But remember, some of us have to keep up some kind of reputation as being cool pokemon trainers, not sissy's... Clefable being the only execption... Anyone got any Clefable move reccomendations? Please don't say I wouldn't use Clefable...

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You wouldn't happen to know a decent moveset for Chansey would you?

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Well,

I experiment with moves alot, both of these movesets have been very useful to me, pick one that you like. But, keep in mind that there is an element of luck in both movesets so don't get upset if you don't always win.

Used to be: Seismic Toss, Softboiled, Minimize, Defense Curl (can be a bit of a gamble, these guys here like this moveset though, or something more or less the same as it).

Now it is: Sing, Softboiled, Ice Beam, Seismic Toss (very effective as I said on my earlier message).

Don't use CHANSEY unless you say to your opponent, I'm only messing about or something like that!

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with clefable, i use
psychic
sing
thunderbolt
ice beam

clefable is tunring out to be a great pokemon. chansey's still better, though.

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I don't give a flyin umm... fudge? about what pokemon I use. I'm an Ice Specialist, I have a few pokemon that fall into the... girly category... Jynx for example.. or Lapras.... Heck the only tough lookin pokemon I use is Torvado! So bear your Chanseys with pride as you beat the snot outta the little kid who called our pink egg lovin breathren wussy... Besides people get careless when the think they're gunna win... Stupid kids... Never judge a book by it's cover, shoulda learned that a looong time ago...

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quote:
Originally posted by ThomasTR (A NEWBIE):
Sing, Softboiled, Ice Beam, Seismic Toss

Where the hell did that come from? None of us have ever even suggested using Sing on Chansey! You think people like us, who work on percentages and unfailable stratagies would use a 50% accurate move?
Give me a break....

The best Chansey out there is Molly (T-Wave, Seismic Toss, Minimise, Softboiled)
No questions
Take that into your next 3v3 match, and if you dont win, you're a very crap player indeed.

Altho I do think that the chansey I created for the UK finals was pretty good:
Toxic
T-Wave
Seismic Toss
Softboiled

It works on the Shockwave principal (even tho I thought this up way before I knew about SW)
Ok, the strat is:
Toxic first turn, T-Wave on the switch (pressuming they will). If they dont, you've wasted a turn, but hey, you'll kill them in 2-3 seismic tosses. And if not, (this works best on 3v3) they have 2/3 of their team status changed, and you can still attack and recover (unlike SW, which has to LS or explode, which IMO is not good)
Good set IMO
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After 9 months of playing nearly every day, 15 games and every pokemon that is totally evolved or doesen't eveolve at L100, I hav ethe right to my opinion, and I did not even say you liked the first moveset, only the second.

Alakazam's are capable of beating any pokemon in the game...............can yours?

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Nary a pokemon can stand up to my Lapras!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by Philbo:

The best Chansey out there is Molly (T-Wave, Seismic Toss, Minimise, Softboiled)



will you people never learn?? Pure seismic tossers suck! I'd like to see Molly against another Chansey. It would take about 8 tosses to finish it. Here's a novel idea. Try giving Chansey defense curl. Once its set up it can be a tank and good against any pokemon. T-wave is all good you can never have enough of it. A recover move is essential, and try an attack that uses Chansey's special..ummmmm maybe ice beam? There you have an unstoppable pokemon that gives you the choice of using it as a paralyzing platform or as a freezing platform. (Of course you'll have to set defense curl up a bit, but It would be like setting up Molly so it can minimize)


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Yes, but that's useless against any Water Pokemon, and any Amnesia'ing Pokemon, not to mention high Special Pokemon.

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quote:
Originally posted by Huor:
Yes, but that's useless against any Water Pokemon, and any Amnesia'ing Pokemon, not to mention high Special Pokemon.



Molly is useless against any pokemon with a recovery move not to mention which includes most of the popular water pokemon (starmie/toby) and the amnesia'ing pokemon tend to have recovery moves. (well the ones that are commonly used anyway) At least with the moveset I suggested you'll have a very good chance of freezing the prick if its poses a threat to your team.


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like Philbo said.... Molly is the best chansey there is, dont bother to argue against it

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quote:
Originally posted by StaRMiE121:
like Philbo said.... Molly is the best chansey there is, dont bother to argue against it



Oh your arguement was so convincing that I can't but help to agree with you 100% (give me a break) The only way for everyone to evolve as pokemon players is to question the norm and to use logic, and keep on making points and counter points etc. So instead of living in your own little world and being so offended when someone questions the norm please look at the logic behind what a person says and explain why you agree or disagree. (kinda like what Huor did)


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He got ya there!

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quote:
Originally posted by Philbo:
The best Chansey out there is Molly (T-Wave, Seismic Toss, Minimize, Softboiled)

*rolls eyes* That's useless against any pokemon with Recover, or with Rest and either 401HP, ConfuseRay, or DT/Minimize. It also leaves a serious Swiftdancer problem. The Chansey I use:

Softboiled
Light Screen
Reflect (Defense Curl is too slow)
Ice Beam

I start with Light Screen (for Amnesia users) or Reflect (for physical attackers), follow up wiht the other, and then fire off IceBeams until the target is frozen. By the way, against pokemon with a weakness to Ice (even Moltres) or a low-Special (228 or lower), Ice Beam will do more damage than Seismic Toss.

Oh, and if you're in an no-Mewtwo match, you can try using Minimize or Thunderbolt over LightScreen.

Freeze-platform Chansey is cool. PP-wasting Chansey isn't.

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After a lot of experimentation, I came up with:

Minimize
Defense Curl
Softboiled/Rest
Seismic Toss/Ice Beam

Use ST for a PP waster, or Ice Beam for a freezer. Minimize is a no-brainer, and Defense Curl protects against Swift Dancers.

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quote:
Originally posted by Psyduck:
You wouldn't happen to know a decent moveset for Chansey would you?

Chansey:
- Thunderwave
- Minimize
- Softboiled
- seismic Toss

Everything dies >:} T Wave, M, Toss, and SoftB (when needed). Can seismic toss affect Ghosts in Gold/Silver?

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quote:
Originally posted by ][ Candy:
Chansey:
- Thunderwave
- Minimize
- Softboiled
- seismic Toss

Everything dies >:} T Wave, M, Toss, and SoftB (when needed). Can seismic toss affect Ghosts in Gold/Silver?


I go through all that trouble and this is what I get? ack!


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Personally I don't like pure Siesmic Tossers, myself I've been planning on giving my Chancey this moveset.

Thunderbolt
Counter
Rest
Minimize

The reason behind the moveset Thunderbolt- well considering His Attack is useless he NEEDS a special based move. Counter to deal with potentially dangerous things with a high Attack like Dragonite and Rhydon and I don't think I need to explain Minimize and rest.

Tell me what you think of this moveset.

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Can seismic toss affect Ghosts in Gold/Silver?

No, and Night Shade can't affect Normals. I don't know if Psywave can affect Dark-types or not. (But who uses Psywave anyway?)

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quote:
Originally posted by infested_grapefruit:
I go through all that trouble and this is what I get? ack!

Yeah well guess what... to you too. I thought up this moveset and posted it waaaay before anyone else here thought it up. (Move over Molly ) At the time I was told it was crap but I still kicked butt w/her. I guess I was ahead of my time and now people jipp me and call me unorigional because other people have realized just how good and solid the moveset is.

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quote:
Originally posted by ][ Candy:
I guess I was ahead of my time and now people jipp me and call me unorigional because other people have realized just how good and solid the moveset is.


But that's my point. It isn't a good moveset. I'm too lazy to explain why again so read my other posts on this topic.


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LOL! You just drain pp by minimizing and softboiling if you run up against a tough opponent and there aren't any muscles waiting in the wings. Chansey could probably win a 1 on 1 match just by struggling (after she's out of pp) if push comes to shove. Paralyze helps a lot, too. And how many pokemon have a recovery move and a great hp besides Chansey? Not that many. Plus you're gonna have other pokemon to back her up if it's more than 1 on 1.

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quote:
Originally posted by ][ Candy:
LOL! You just drain pp by minimizing and softboiling if you run up against a tough opponent and there aren't any muscles waiting in the wings. Chansey could probably win a 1 on 1 match just by struggling (after she's out of pp) if push comes to shove. Paralyze helps a lot, too. And how many pokemon have a recovery move and a great hp besides Chansey? Not that many. Plus you're gonna have other pokemon to back her up if it's more than 1 on 1.


that thing'll get its butt kicked by anything that has a really good attack, or that has a recovery move. against a seismic tosser you don't need really high hp as long as one has a recovery move. Chansey won't even survive the minimizing unless its set up really well.


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oops, I've found out that I've underestimated chansey's ability to take damage. However I've also dicovered that chansey, needs to be set up more if its minimizing then if its defense curling. Otherwise it really wastes the softboils. Rest isn't good on chansey cause it gives the opponent too much time. It is very dangerous for chansey to minimize if paralyzed, cause one fully paralyzed turn can spell doom for it. It is much safer for it to defense curl up. It is also recommended that t-wave should be on chansey to put the opponent in the same boat. Now I've discovered that seismic toss would probably do a decent job, however it will lead to boring tedious battles against other pokemon that have recovery moves and that it is very useless against double resters. That is why while i concur that seismic toss is good, but ice beam is still better because if necessary chansey can be used as a freezing platform even against pokemon that are strong against ice.
Again I'm sorry that I didn't have all my facts when i was posting earlier.

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quote:
Originally posted by infested_grapefruit:
oops, I've found out that I've underestimated chansey's ability to take damage.

Most people do. (-_-) I guess it's because of the sucky def. which I can understand. Ice beam has too little pp to serve as a good move in longer battles (which my Chansey is built for).

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here is a geat move set for chansey

rest/dt, reflect, seismic toss

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