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NickWhiz1
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I have proof that Stadium cheats. Here we go.

I was playing R-2 Gym Leader Castle. I was in Viridian Gym Tower, and was battling Cool (M). I sent out Jolteon, he sent out Zapdos. We each T-Waved each other, then I started DTing, while he Swifted. I Rested when necessary, and threw in a T-Bolt or two. Finally, I was at 6 DTs and 150 HP. Then, my first proof of the game cheating:

Zapdos hit a Thunder through my 6 DTs.

What are the odds of that happening? According to Azure Height's formula and data:

0.284* x 0.695 x 0.750# = 0.148035

*1 - 0.712
#He was paralyzed, and this is assuming there is a 1/4 chance of full par.

Hmm, about 15%. Well, I guess that isn't too bad. But the next one upset me a bit.

I finished it off with T-Bolt, then out came Clefable. I was at 80 HP right now, so I was going to Rest. Just to be safe, I T-Waved Clefable, and it was either a full Par or its Body Slam missed. Then, I rested. Now, here it comes. While I slept, it hit me with Body Slam, THREE TIMES IN A ROW, and Jolty was gone. As you can tell, I wasn't very happy. Now, we'll figure out the odds of this:

0.284* x 0.996 x 0.750# = 0.212148

*1 - 0.712
#He was paralyzed, and this is assuming there is a 1/4 chance of full par.

OK, so the odds of it happening once was 21%. BUT, what about three times?

0.212148^3 = 0.009548097070186

Less than 1%. But, what are the odds of both happening?

0.148035 x 0.009548097070186 = 0.001413452549785

Wow, my goodness. Or, for those of you that wish for a rounded answer:

0.15 x 0.0095 = 0.001425

Basically that's saying 0.1425%, or 1.425/1000. Sort of cheap, eh?

Well, you haven't heard the whole story. I killed Clefable with Exeggutor, got killed by Dodrio, and sent out Alakazam to finish the 3-headed birdbrain off. But, this part doesn't matter, right?


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OK, now I fully agree with NickWhiz1 that Branners should NOT Rep For GameFAQs...;p-psycho monkey, after branners was cheering for Azure

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what else is new?

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quote:
Originally posted by TeeJay:
what else is new?

.. Exactly.. Damn Cheating Stadium.. In one of my Petit cup battles, my Dratini hit it self 4 times in a row in confusion, was paralyzed 3 times in a row, then hit itself 2 more times in confusion before fainting... >.<

.. but then again.. I've had a fair amount of luck too.. This was my last battle in the Petite (or Pika.. always get the two mixed up).. and this was the Rental Ghastly:

Out goes Ghastly
Out comes Farfect'd
Out goes Farfetch'd for Dratini
Ghastly uses Thunder, Critical Hit!, Dratini was paralyzed.
Ghastly uses Confuse Ray
Dratini's fully paralyzed
Ghastly uses Night Shade
Dratini hits itself in confusion
Ghastly uses Night Shade
Dratini hits itself in confusion, Dratini Fainted!
Out comes Farfecth'd
Ghastly uses Thunder, Critical Hit!
Farfech'd fainted!
Out comes Psyduck
Ghastly uses Thunder, Critical Hit!
Psyduck fainted!

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Uh, U didn't know that??

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Body Slam paralyzes 99.999% of the time when Gambler uses it, which makes it that much easier for him to set up Horn Drill or some other 1-hit KO attack.

And then the one-hit KOs have extremely good accuracy (as in no longer 30% but somewhere around 50%). At other times, Gambler uses up all of his one-hit KOs on a Pokemon without hitting once.

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Bah! Stadium's damn Rapidash once landed a successful Horn Drill on my Dodrio after Dodrio had done four Double Teams. Yet the AI uses one or two Double Teams, and my Pokemon can't hit the broad side of a Snorlax!

Durn cheating statistical oddities!! I've got half a mind to Shark myself up a super Magikarp just to get through the damn Poke Cup.

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I don't think that means the computer cheats... there are still probabilities that make each of those events possible...

Albeit so small that you want to throw you're N64 out of the room after seeing your 6xDT'ed Pokemon be hit by a Fissure...

There are however instances that PROVE the Stadium cheats...
I think Mr. K (Or AEC-Gonk) posted this:

Enemy Dugtrio used Dig...
Switched ... (Cann't remember) for Pidgeot (Or other flying type)

Dugtrio used Hyper Beam...

(At least that's what I remember)
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It seems quite possible that stadium cheats in its own favour... but has the possibility been considered of it cheating in the -player's- favour?

Idling around a few days ago, I started up a game of R1, Prime Cup, Poke Ball division. The rental Gengar was laughing madly in the face of the opposition with Hypnosis/Dream Eater (since it takes the computer a while to get used to the idea of switching when it falls asleep...).

About half-way through the second round, I realised with mild interest that Hypnosis hadn't missed yet. A little unusual for such an innaccurate move, but hardly outside the bounds of possiblility. So I decided to take a look at Hypnosis throughout the remaining rounds, and see how well it did.

Over six rounds, the score was, Hypnosis...

Hit: 18 times
Missed: 0 times

Not bad for a 59.8% accurate move, eh?

For those without calculators to hand, that comes to a probability of 0.0095%... if I can spare the time, I may even dig out my old statistics notes and tell you what that means the probability Stadium was cheating is... :-)

I guess it seems reasonable. After all, you don't want the young'uns to get discouraged, eh?

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I Metronomed Splash 3 times in a row with rental Hitmonlee (amazing it even survived that long). Now what are the chances of that?

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I hate that Gamblers Rapiddash! I hava Mewtwo, horn drill hits on first try. I bring out Poliwrath, horn Drill takes me out on first try! I bring out ElecriBuzz. HORNDRILL HITS ON FIRST TRY?! GOD DAMN THAT GAMBLER! He eats up all my Continues so I dont have them when I really need them! Stadium SO cheats!

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Givera wrote: I don't think that means the computer cheats... there are still probabilities that make each of those events possible...

Well, the comp definently tips those probabilities way in its favor, and anything that changes the natural probability or outcome is cheating.

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1/3 x 1/3 x 1/3 = 1/27

Just to nitpick, it's 29.7% ^ 3 = 2.62%, but you probably knew that.

that's not THAT unlikely...that's still well over three times as likely as a double freeze...

Which is what some kid did to me at the last tournament... Grrr, how dare you dig up painful memories!

Well, today, I was facing a Paralysed Zapdos, and over a total of 38 turns, it was Fully paralysed 3 times...

Congradulations, that's probably about the same chance as Horn Drill/Fissure hitting twice in a row, which, as I think Fish/EYNH can now tell you, isn't that bad.

I'm bored today, so I calculated the chance of what happened to Darryn, and it's 1.07%. The probability of getting two OHKO's in a row is 8.81%.


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Well, the computer doesn't ALWAYS cheat... for it. One time I had run out all my moves but Guilltine on my Kingler. I was against a Snorlax, and it kept using metronome. It used Splash, Teleport, Roar, and Whirlwind. And then again, sometimes it DOES cheat. I Razor Leaf the **** Poliwraith, and MISS!?! I miss with no accuraacy/evade changers?!? Then he hits with I-Beam, it hits, and freezes?!? How the ****!?! What a cheat! Oh well...

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I seem to recall seeing plenty of unlikely things over times. However, the key with Stadium isn't in individual occurences: it's that if you watch what the computer does, they have different odds than you. I didn't think this was up for debate, but maybe it is. If someone would like to post more formal results of the computer using moves, that'd be nice....

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Stadium DOES cheat...but after this happened I forgave stadium for some its cheats ::grin::

Imagine the situation I was in: No continues left, faced a the VERY last guy before winning the Prime Cup on Round 2. What happens? He brings out his Mew, I bring out my Mew. On the first shot my Mew with Blizzard freezes it!! Then it brings out another pokemon, I think it was Jolteon, and I use Blizzard agan and it FROZE! I nearly fainted lOL I froze TWO pokemon, right after each other, on my very last continue on the very last trainer I needed to beat on round 2! If that ain't luck I don't know what is! LOL

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Battle:
Mewtwo vs. Ninetales
When ninetales came out of the pokéball I knew it had no chance yet it still managed to take me into the most boring-ass battle I've ever had.
Turns:
Mewtwo-Amnesia Ninetales-double team
Mewtwo-Amnesia Ninetales-double team
Mewtwo-Ice beam(miss) Ninetales-confuse ray
I'll make the rest of the battle short. I missed with ice beam 5 times and thunderbolt missed 7 times. And when thunderbolt did hit it somehow managed to stop in the 1-25 HP area. And of course Ninetales knew dig which drug the battle on forever! And nintales only DT'd 4 times. Oh well, I guess that's just stadium logic.

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Heh.

I think Fanha's ego is showing! (j/k)

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OK, now I fully agree with NickWhiz1 that Branners should NOT Rep For GameFAQs...;p-psycho monkey, after branners was cheering for Azure


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Well life is so frustrating with STADium.
I have tried and tried to get the darn suring pikachu with no luck. I have found strategies but they always fail somehow. I have tried over 20 times now to get the darn pikachu.=(
I am so sad.
Do you have any strategies i can use against this cheating computer. It always seems to get Critical Hits everytime and always seems to freeze my guys and get paralzes right where they want them. I will give you advice if you give me some.

Here is mine:
Use substitute right when you start against Gambler in Masterball Prime cup.


Do you have any idea how to beat the last guy and his annoying Mew and Taruos (i need help before i check into a darn insame asylumm)

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Blarg...today, I was fighting Gambler...I had Gengar DT'ed six times, and at full health...he sends out Dugtrio...he goes first, with Fissure, of course...

...HE HITS THROUGH 6 DT'S! AND I WASN'T EVEN PARALYZED!

*calms down*

Well, I beat that bitch into the ground after that...

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Damnit. PokéCup cheats, too! I was fighting a Juggler's Abra with Metronome with Eclipse, my Articuno. I do all of the DTing up, getting hit with stupid Metronomed moves like Tackle and whatnot. Then, things get worse. I decide to Rest, and Abra Metronomes a Thunderbolt, whic hits through the DTs. Okay, that's fine. It Metronomes again and gets Thunder! Thank god, it missed. I wake up and decide to Rest again. For the next three turns, Abra Metronomes two Swords Dances and a Sharpen. I wake up again, and Abra Metronomes a Hyper Beam. I barely survive. I decide to stop playing around and finish this off.

Articuno hangs that Abra's bitch-ass from a bear trap.

I decided to stop playing for a while so I can prepare for what may happen in the next rounds.

<sarcasm> If an Abra can almost kill off an Articuno, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Magikarp destroy an Exeggutor. </sarcasm>


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quote:
Bah! Stadium's damn Rapidash once landed a successful Horn Drill on my Dodrio after Dodrio had done four Double Teams.
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you want to throw you're N64 out of the room after seeing your 6xDT'ed Pokemon be hit by a Fissure...

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A Horn Drill hit through 6 Double Teams in only ONE try
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with Fissure, of course...
...HE HITS THROUGH 6 DT'S! AND I WASN'T EVEN PARALYZED
Wait a minute...I see a pattern developing Could it be that 1 hit KO's aren't affected by DT in stadium? I guess we'll never know

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Stadium once broke its own Level 50 limit for the Pika Cup. It picked two level 20 pokemon and a level 15 one.

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I begin to wonder if one of the main ways it increases difficulty is by shifting odds.... I frequently feel like the outcome was decided before I started, win or lose.... I can't remember all my stories, but Stadium definitely can't be played for too long without grievious damage being inflicted on the N64/Game Pak/Controller/nearby objects.

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That's funny, I haven't broken anything in frustration, YET

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Bah, my Golbat beat up the Ultra Ball Poke Cup Dragonite singlehandedly. How? Confuse Ray and Wing Attack. Dragonite couldn't even aim properly let alone attack. Sometimes those freaky things help.

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Thunder hit FOUR TIMES IN A ROW!!!

For me.
I was using the rentals

and the fourth thunder hit the enemy, WHILE I WAS FLASHED.

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My theory is that the accuracy modifiers are twisted depending on what opponent you're fighting. Such as the increase of OHKO's accuracy when fighting the gambler, and the decrease of the effectiveness of your DTs when fighting Gym Leaders.

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